Mini Normal 1983: Winter Wonderland [Endgame!]

[Katyusha]

actually that reminds me i dont think we ever finished the massclaim

should we bother...? I would assume yes in which case i'll try to gather everyone's claims

[humaneatingmonkey]

I'm not comfortable claiming

[humaneatingmonkey]

Do you mind?

[Katyusha]

Katyusha
sheepsaysmeep - some flavor of scum
Mathdino

Rem Schism

- VT
Hopkirk
Not_Mafia
Flubbernugget - VT
humaneatingmonkey
Firebringer Sergtacos

pedit: I dont think we ever were forcing you to

pedit: im... thinking. probably dont though since i think theres almost no chance you're scum but still i dont know if thats mechanically valid to do

[Mathdino]

i dont want the claim

[Katyusha]

missed hop's claim, that's

Katy - Unclaimed
Math - VT
Hop - VT
N_M - Unclaimed
Flubber - VT
Fire - Unclaimed, double checking to see if he claimed VT but he didnt
Monkey - Unclaimed

if we're doing a massclaim i believe hop has popcorn but math claimed after so i think the right thing to do is to treat it like math has popcorn

also math:

Can we seriously get a force replace on Rem?
Like this is ridiculous.

Even if she is scum trying to tactical lurk this is beyond acceptable

i forgot this post but this is sort of a thing

[Katyusha]

thats if we choose to massclaim

i dont really think it's a good idea anymore since we know who we're lynching but if they kill in the unclaimeds then that could be Bad^tm

[sheepsaysmeep]

Enough to know you guys kinda want this shit to be over

YES END IT

[Mathdino]

page 1 strongly STRONGLY indicates Not_Mafia scum over Firebringer
Not_Mafia distinctly tries to control the game more as scum, he's slightly more of a tryhard

i did this meta research back in Marked For Death and Switch but he tailored his playstyle to my knowledge of my meta

for example he's never gone this HAM against me, he's usually friendly (but he's almost always been scum in games i'm in)

but he also knows that.

moving on from literally page 1

[humaneatingmonkey]

it's okay to just read the game and just go on from there. i think you'll find that players here will just gloss over page by page catch-ups. you'll be sad.

[Mathdino]

EBWOP: my knowledge of his meta

Edit: fuck

[Katyusha]

i don't contrary to popular opinion and wouldn't mind!

and since those players are sheep fire and n_m it doesnt matter since you're not trying to convince them today

also does this constitute as a n_m tryhard game:
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=74417

he was town and it's why im skeptical of that meta because i used to kind of think the same

[Firebringer]

I’m gonna bring the fire to this game

[Mathdino]

That absolutely doesn't count, since it's a Newbie game, he's setting a (good) example for the newbies, and he's not pushing people around as much as he is playing like a normal MS player.

This game he's been pushing people around from the start.

I hate reading chronologically and checked out at the spam on page 3 so the next order of business is ISOing the NKs. Assuming that's mozamis/Inter.

[sheepsaysmeep]

Also no matter what we’re lynching sheep eod unless we confirm someone else as scum

no

i claim town

i am no longer confscum
i want to see someone actually case me if im going to get lynched in mylo

[Katyusha]

Assuming that's mozamis/Inter.

yup

pedit: wow...... that was a really townie post......... oof idk guys

[Mathdino]

Spoiler:

a hammer would be good.
but i'm less panicky than i was because this town has kept this lynch together for a while now, so i think we'll be good even i f we have to wait a bit longer.
if i dont make it, defintel ylynch hopkirk tomorrow. it's a very strong meta read.this isnt town hop.

You literally haven't played with me as town in a finished game, so either:
a.) You're scum and know this isn't true, or
b.) You're referencing an ongoing game.

Which is it? I already raised this point and you flat out ignored it.

1) you were effectively town in that weird upick game (he was "effectively" town because he had a weird shapeshifting/morphing role that meant he became town and won with tthe town in the end)
2)i cant talk about it AND YOU KNOW THIS SO DONT MENTION IT AGAIN

this is why your scummy - you KNOW i have played with as you as town, and you are seriously trying to argue the toss, perhaps even get me in trouble with the Mod?! Thats not town.

MORE IMPORTANTLY YOU ARENT DOING SHIT TO GET ANYONE LYNCHED.
Contrast you with someone like Seph. He may or may not be convinced that Doyou is scum, but he wants a hammer, he is trying to push the game forward, he is CURIOUS for a flip.
All you do is vote for peop[le that are neve gettong lynched today, like me and Kat. You jumped off the Baj wagon as soon as got near a lynch.
You literally show no interest in lynching anyone.

sorry, didnt realise there had been a hammer.
i reckon he will be flip scum.
hopkirk and buj reluctance to get involved with the lynch noted.

Anyway, join me on Moz like you did on Bu. That went well for reads.

translation: i know moz is town but i have to give some reason lol "yeah, lets get info from a mislynch"

Reading backwards in mozamis's ISO, this clearly implicates Hopkirk. He didn't breadcrumb vig AFAIK and was pretty set on lynching anyone not involved with getting the DeWay wagon off the ground.

Will Ctrl+F his ISO for other players but points toward Hopkirk.

[Katyusha]

Agree and already made that conclusion.

Also points to Flubb town more so because he wanted Flubb and me to stop fighting, so I figured scum would see him as a mediator when I usually am the mediator/don't pick fights against people lmfao

[Mathdino]

Yep. He at NO POINT ever called Flub anything worth suspecting. Would be a very bad kill for Flubber unless a team of Flub/sheep/{FB/NM} actually figured out he was vig, which is laughable.

Btw I'm doing this with the assumption that scum is for sure {sheep, {Hopkirk/Flub}, {FB/NM}}. I get the feeling that Katy would be significantly harder to analyse on NKA.

@Monkey:

You told me on sitechat once that you fake towntells as town as often as possible. Did you do that at all this game, and can you link to the posts where you did?

Ignore this of course if doing so would lead us closer to your roleclaim. Find me alignment-indicative stuff, not role-indicative.

[sheepsaysmeep]

will u be my friend

[sheepsaysmeep]

im going to flip town there's no need to interaction hunt with me

[humaneatingmonkey]

Kat, we mindmeld right? Are we looking for the same thing here?

[Katyusha]

Kat, we mindmeld right? Are we looking for the same thing here?

pretty sure

[humaneatingmonkey]

@Monkey:

You told me on sitechat once that you fake towntells as town as often as possible. Did you do that at all this game, and can you link to the posts where you did?

Yes. Faking towntells is my fake towntell.

[Mathdino]

Spoiler:

Can someone townreading n_m tell me why since a decent chunk of you seem to

I cant read him to save my life

Probably shooting between Hop/Serg with an outside chance of Moz/Buj depending on how reading the thread during night goes.

Also just gotta mention rn that I fucking hate Vig with all my heart

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@Intern: Do you have no thoughts on the Kat/Hop/HEM interactions?

Kat town, HEM townlean, scumlean on you I guess

Least confident on the read on you, I need to go over the interactions again with less skimming

Some really basic shit also indicates Hopkirk scum, outside chance of N_M.

So yeah both NKs suspected Hopkirk and then the town turned toward Flubber. Hopkirk was a potential wagon numerous times and both lynches IIRC rose up as a counterwagon to his (or he was a counterwagon to theirs).

I'm talkin outta my ass here cuz I'm going off of memory so I'm gonna do actual VCA on that and check.

Edit: Show me, monkey.