Open 708: Pick Your Poison - Game Over

[Thor665]

I see you making a lot of noise about the timing of my case, but, yeah, since my case is based around how terrible your case on me is it didn't exist till you pushed me.
Maybe that makes it OMGUS - but that doesn't actually qualify as showing my case as bad nor scummy.
Feel free to explain that.

I mad emy cas eon you. You then OMGUsed me -having voted for EP and not made a case on him- and gave as a reason "Moz cas eon em is so bad it must be scum", which iis not a case.

Also, yes, I did present a case on HWS. You can keep squealing that I didn't. But it's factually there, I've linked it, and you've even quoted part of it and complained that it was too small. So, I don't believe you and it makes me sad if anyone does.

your cas eon He who swims was "I'm sheeping", see p1065

@Beef - literally moz is not dealing straight, and I think it's obvious. However you are apparently reading my rebuttals and his and finding him to be full of facts and me to be full of lies.
Why?
Please explain it, I'd be curious to see the thought process.
I promise not to even debate it - and just leave it alone for others to assess, but I want to see you unpack it.

1. Yes, that is exactly a case. Someone doing a bad case is a case. You're actually making me making a case you think i sbad part of your case - so you have to know this is a thing, so what are you smoking exactly?

2. I agree that was part of my presented case on hima nd that you're ignoring other parts to try to make it seem like the only part of my case on him.

I also find your idea that I'm not trying to lynch you objectively false. I'm literally in a conversation with RC, Flubber, and Beef trying to get you lynched.

@Beef - you ducked my question. Please go back and answer it or unvote me and admit you're not doing any work.

@Flubber - you also ducked my question to continue the tunnel. I'm going to remind you about this if I get lynched here in post game. So please do a bit of work and at least present a case on me. I can forgive bad casing better than I can forgive blind tomfoolery.

[mozamis]

and still no reads just deflection...

[mozamis]

Thor, why are you voting HWS?

And if you're going to provide the answer "because he's scum," my follow-up is "why?"

Because I'm sheeping town who isn't arguing something I think is unlikely.

Because HWS isn't texcat and he can't get away with lynching Beefster. Look at how fast this HWS wagon is getting of the ground. Is this not strange to anyone else?

Yeah, I can't get "away" with voting someone I've been openly defending all game and openly argued with two people when they claimed I wasn't defending him What do you even think you're arguing there? If I'm scum, i'd be scum with Beefster and already clearly of the mind to defend him.

Could you describe why you feel Tex is a slow wagon and Swims is a fast one? I'd put them in the same general ballpark for speed and support.

[mozamis]

THAT IS THORS "CASE" ON HEWHO.
I mean...it's not a case, the guy is outright lying.

[Thor665]

and still no reads just deflection...

Which player slot do you think I need to offer reads on exactly?
Bet I can answer it by quoting myself.
Want to play?

THAT IS THORS "CASE" ON HEWHO.
I mean...it's not a case, the guy is outright lying.

That is, at worst, a disagreement about what qualifies as a case.
And, again, you're skipping the other half of the explanation of the vote - which is also part of a case.

[mozamis]

just give a reads list, some analysis.
that quote was your enire case on Hewho..
anyway, once again you are being scummy and indulging in semantic sophistry. YOU NEVER PUSHED HEWHO. You can argue the toss over that paragraph all you want, but we all know you didnt lift a finget to get him lynched.
and why did you vote EP at he beginning of the day? You didnt give a reason.

[Thor665]

just give a reads list, some analysis.
that quote was your enire case on Hewho..
anyway, once again you are being scummy and indulging in semantic sophistry. YOU NEVER PUSHED HEWHO. You can argue the toss over that paragraph all you want, but we all know you didnt lift a finget to get him lynched.
and why did you vote EP at he beginning of the day? You didnt give a reason.

So your complaint is not that I haven't given reads, even though you phrased it as such - but that you'd like to see a read's list?
And you call me a liar?
Psssh.

That quote was not my entire case, because as I've already told you Moneybags asked me to explain my case, and I did. I provided you that link already.
Besides my vote I agree you can argue that I didn't help him get lynched. Of course a vote is kind of a major part of lynching people, especially when I was actually attacked over putting my vote on him and held my ground and justified the value of voting him.
I voted EP for the reasons presented here https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... 2#p9910012
You already asked me for that info.

[Thor665]

Moz keeps changing goalposts, and ignoring info in thread.
People keep voting me.
Thor shakes his head sadly.

[RadiantCowbells]

That third person though

[RadiantCowbells]

UNVOTE:

Okay, let's look at other people.

[RadiantCowbells]

1335

[RadiantCowbells]

So make a case or something

Hmmmm...

VOTE: Flubbernugget
Telling me to make a case, when you are not. Plus telling us that voting Bella is a town thing to do, when you are not.

QFT.

Flubber, care to explain why both of these points are a thing?

This is uhh not a good reason to believe that Tex/HWS is not a thing
but again I guess that says more about Tex than it does about you at this stage.

[RadiantCowbells]

But do I trust this town to gamesolve if I just take the lynch on Tex

[RadiantCowbells]

Okay COA let's get this out of the way. I'm not actually townreading you.
I've defended you thus far because I know that I can townread you but as of right now I am not.
You need to do more in this game so that I can have a real read on you or I am going to want you lynched.

[mozamis]

@ Thor - your response to Moneybags was you were allowed to vote Hewho, even though you had defended Hewho.
Sure you are allowed to change your mind, but still wasnt really a case.

[mozamis]

My reason for scumreading EP is as already presented - lurk.
I'll add wagon analysis.

still waiting for that wagon analysis.
and that whole paragraph STILL AVOIDED GIVING OUT READS.

[RadiantCowbells]

Hey Moz you can't brute force a lynch by volume in a game with me.

Can you just calm down and look at other people for now

[Thor665]

@ Thor - your response to Moneybags was you were allowed to vote Hewho, even though you had defended Hewho.
Sure you are allowed to change your mind, but still wasnt really a case.

No.
That's a conversation I had with Moneybags about Beefeater.

My reason for scumreading EP is as already presented - lurk.
I'll add wagon analysis.

still waiting for that wagon analysis.
and that whole paragraph STILL AVOIDED GIVING OUT READS.

You never asked for the wagon analysis that I noticed.
My analysis at day start was the only potential scum on the wagon was probably Klick.
Which left one off.
If you take out my town reads I'm baiscally left with EP and Max.
I don't have a good clear take on EP, and I know this will pain you, but since my case on HWS (that you refuse to accept as a case) worked, I figured it was worth another stab.
I also indicated I would be okay with lynching Klick at the same time...I mention that just because you seem to think I'm not offering reads.

[Thor665]

Heck, you're even talking about a conversation I had with someone about one of my reads (and though you're grossly skimming over it and have no real awareness of what was said) you're still quoting me having a conversation about reads while now making a lack of reads (or maybe read wall now, who can tell?) as a major part of your beef with me.

You are just mewling empty noise.

[Thor665]

I still offer you the gamble.
Name the slot and I bet I can answer with a quote.
If you can get one I didn't do within three guesses I'll say you're right, provide a read wall, and apologize for wasting town's time.

If you can't - you apologize for making a case on me based on lies while not even reading my posts and calling me a liar. (and hopefully town will then smarten up and vote you)

Deal?

[Flubbernugget]

Okay COA let's get this out of the way. I'm not actually townreading you.
I've defended you thus far because I know that I can townread you but as of right now I am not.
You need to do more in this game so that I can have a real read on you or I am going to want you lynched.

+1

[Flubbernugget]

moz, who else is scum?

[Beefster]

@Beef - literally moz is not dealing straight, and I think it's obvious. However you are apparently reading my rebuttals and his and finding him to be full of facts and me to be full of lies.
Why?
Please explain it, I'd be curious to see the thought process.
I promise not to even debate it - and just leave it alone for others to assess, but I want to see you unpack it.

Like I mentioned before, I'm not paying super close attention. I just see his point about the way you've been playing.

I can pretty much guarantee that moz v Thor is not scum v scum, but I also don't think it's town v town.

From what I can glean from skimming, your reactions haven't exactly been the best, but I really should be reading closer. But not too close, because then I start nitpicking and miss the mark.

[RadiantCowbells]

Klick hit me up when you're around

[RadiantCowbells]

Hey Thor can you do me a massive favour and cite me a time where you asked for a confirmed town to be lynched if you flipped town or anything equally posturey because that seems... not right