Mini Normal 1983: Winter Wonderland [Endgame!]

[sheepsaysmeep]

pagetop

the world is gonna roll me

[Katyusha]

I ain't the sharpest tool in the shed

I'm ready to lynch sheep now. This discourse is not gonna get any more intelligent.

BUT WAIT

Math! Let's talk!

Two really important questions:

• Why does scum!n_m react to firebringer's claim the way he did? This isn't like me doubting he can be scum moreso this is a Thought I had and want to see how a scum!confirmed!basically perspective sees it
  
  
• Why did you give up on your scumread on me? If you're town, you should probably know that "Oh if you're scum then we just lose" isn't a good mindset, I believe I'm still mechanically possible scum, so I'd like to hear your trajectory as to why you haven't considered me at all

Hop, feel free to answer the first bullet.

Sheep, give me ideas for your hammer. It needs to be inspired.

We can start talking about astrophysics

please no im so done with astronomy

since i forgot to quote this to make sure it doesnt get lost uwu

[sheepsaysmeep]

she was looking kind of dumb
with her finger and her thumb

[Mathdino]

Will respond shortly

[Katyusha]

i dont think those are the lyrics dino

[sheepsaysmeep]

damn that song got a grammy nomination

[Mathdino]

Why does scum!n_m react to firebringer's claim the way he did? This isn't like me doubting he can be scum moreso this is a Thought I had and want to see how a scum!confirmed!basically perspective sees it

I remember Fire's claim (IIRC it was cop inno on N_M) but I don't remember people's reactions to it. By that point some important other games had started and I'd honestly lost hope for this game and for being able to replace into it.

I'll go check that out, will get back to you in next post.

I mean more fundamentally if N_M is town that forces Firebringer to be scum which is all kinds of ick. So in going and doing this, I'm gonna be trying to convince you while being affected by knowing N_M is scum for sure. I'm guessing N_M had some super genuine reaction or some shit. I'd recommend reading Marked For Death Day 2 to see N_M fake town-reaction-tests as scum and getting away with it and pretending it helped him scumhunt. He's not an idiot.

Why did you give up on your scumread on me? If you're town, you should probably know that "Oh if you're scum then we just lose" isn't a good mindset, I believe I'm still mechanically possible scum, so I'd like to hear your trajectory as to why you haven't considered me at all

Was a lazy guess. I don't actually remember why I was scumreading you; NSG asked me to pick a team and i was like "ok fuck what teams are even consistent at this point" because sheep's initial MyLo behaviour struck me as pretty town. So I was like "okay sheep is town, HEM is town, one of hopkirk/flubber is town, and N_M and fire are probably just being N_M and fire, so by PoE it's lurksack Rem, LAMIST katy, and one of hopkirk/flubber".

I wasn't actually scumreading you but I saw your name thrown around a couple times before I joined up so that was my attempt to blindly pin the tail on the scumteam.

When I actually joined up I started reading shit and I stopped seeing any sense of you being scum by your own content or by sheep's content. And I figured because that's basically town consensus, there's no point in me writing a town-case for you when no one is thinking about voting you anyway. Flubber and Fire were (later on) more necessary towncases to write.

brb reading

[sheepsaysmeep]

bois let's break the record for longest mini normal game

[sheepsaysmeep]

holy fuck this game is a lot of my post count

[sheepsaysmeep]

i want to just be your friendly kid that plays mafia with you and doesnt clog the thread but youre trying to find scum and it's annoying

[Mathdino]

Also just a note, it looks like you're already pretty set on Mathscum; obviously defending myself is a secondary consideration and a lower priority than spotlighting the scumteam, but I haven't actually seen why, or whether it's based on Rem's ISO, Rem's interactions with sheep, or has to do with my behaviour since replacing in.

So if paranoia of my slot is what's gonna prevent you from seeing the scumteam regardless of what I argue, we should probably address it. Or if we can't address it, I'd rather be lynched right now than in at least 5 real life days knowing that whomever left is probably going to default to "Oh it's just N_M being N_M" which is honestly pretty frustrating/irritating because I've specifically lost a game due to that argument.

tl;dr if you're gonna kill me anyway, kill me now, but otherwise talk about why you wanna kill me while i go work on d3

[Mathdino]

dear diary: i'm really not seeing what katy's talking about but i'm picking up N_M quotes and hopefully i'll see what she means further down

[sheepsaysmeep]

one
dont pick up the phone
you know he's only calling cause he's drunk and alone

[sheepsaysmeep]

two
dont let him in
you have to kick him out again

[sheepsaysmeep]

three
dont be his friend
you know youre gonna [redacted]

[Mathdino]

ahh yeah i was wondering when you started that if you only knew the radio censored version

ofc ofc

[Not_Mafia]

gonna what?

[sheepsaysmeep]

boi i listened to a shit ton of cupcakke songs last weekend

[sheepsaysmeep]

this isnt smth to be bragging abt oops

[Not_Mafia]

gonna what?

[Katyusha]

Also just a note, it looks like you're already pretty set on Mathscum; obviously defending myself is a secondary consideration and a lower priority than spotlighting the scumteam, but I haven't actually seen why, or whether it's based on Rem's ISO, Rem's interactions with sheep, or has to do with my behaviour since replacing in.

So if paranoia of my slot is what's gonna prevent you from seeing the scumteam regardless of what I argue, we should probably address it. Or if we can't address it, I'd rather be lynched right now than in at least 5 real life days knowing that whomever left is probably going to default to "Oh it's just N_M being N_M" which is honestly pretty frustrating/irritating because I've specifically lost a game due to that argument.

tl;dr if you're gonna kill me anyway, kill me now, but otherwise talk about why you wanna kill me while i go work on d3

I'm like 55% you 45% n_m so it's hardly the right call to do that - there are actually a lot of points were I can see n_m as scum and looking back they definitely raised a few eyebrows, it's just that one interaction felt kind of genuine to me. same with rem's D1 to some extent (some parts i really don't like, some parts I do like). i feel like articulating the exact points doesn't help us just yet since i'm not focusing on convincing another townie and i'm more focused on reading you and i dont want knowledge of why i feel a specific way besides what i've said to impact how you play around me if that makes sense

the interaction i'm asking you to look at is basically what's making me question you!town.

it's not a lost battle for either side. unless hopkirk is town lol

[Mathdino]

So I'm not sure what I expected katy but I guess I expected more than this?

I'm shooting in the dark as to why you think this forces N_M-town but I'll just go through this first and then see if you've actually made the argument in your ISO.

Fire claims innocent on Not_Mafia. N_M-scum knows Fire is full of shit as usual. Obviously N_M-scum can't just be like SURPRISE BITCH I REALLY AM SCUM YOU LIAR.

@mod How would a Universal Back-Up resolve if two PRs died in the same night?

So he asks the question that potentially exposes Fire as lying regardless of N_M's alignment

And I'm town regardless of Fire's alignment

preps himself for the "DAE FIRE AND N_M SCUM?!?!" argument

First time ever that a mod has called me out on a gambit.

lulz, why didn't you ask?

VOTE: Firebringer

Pounces on him for the lie

Lol I am actually Town

UNVOTE:

Why gambit like this in MyLo?

And then backs off for no reason?

Forcing this 1v1 early is bad for N_M cuz he can frame it as Rem being scum instead. But he's clearly setting up Fire to have low cred going in.

I'm benefited by having seen N_M extremely believably fake reactions to things. That said, I think as town he'd just accept Firebringer's inno, because like Fire said somewhere, "Why fake an inno instead of a guilty?" Instead N_M set up Firebringer to get discredited, implying he knew Fire was full of shit from the onset.

standard confbias disclaimer here
now ISOing you for why you buy into this

[humaneatingmonkey]

[Not_Mafia]

So I'm not sure what I expected katy but I guess I expected more than this?

I'm shooting in the dark as to why you think this forces N_M-town but I'll just go through this first and then see if you've actually made the argument in your ISO.

Fire claims innocent on Not_Mafia. N_M-scum knows Fire is full of shit as usual. Obviously N_M-scum can't just be like SURPRISE BITCH I REALLY AM SCUM YOU LIAR.

@mod How would a Universal Back-Up resolve if two PRs died in the same night?

So he asks the question that potentially exposes Fire as lying regardless of N_M's alignment

And I'm town regardless of Fire's alignment

preps himself for the "DAE FIRE AND N_M SCUM?!?!" argument

First time ever that a mod has called me out on a gambit.

lulz, why didn't you ask?

VOTE: Firebringer

Pounces on him for the lie

Lol I am actually Town

UNVOTE:

Why gambit like this in MyLo?

And then backs off for no reason?

Forcing this 1v1 early is bad for N_M cuz he can frame it as Rem being scum instead. But he's clearly setting up Fire to have low cred going in.

I'm benefited by having seen N_M extremely believably fake reactions to things. That said, I think as town he'd just accept Firebringer's inno, because like Fire said somewhere, "Why fake an inno instead of a guilty?" Instead N_M set up Firebringer to get discredited, implying he knew Fire was full of shit from the onset.

standard confbias disclaimer here
now ISOing you for why you buy into this

Woeful post

[Mathdino]

it's just that one interaction felt kind of genuine to me. same with rem's D1 to some extent (some parts i really don't like, some parts I do like). i feel like articulating the exact points doesn't help us just yet since i'm not focusing on convincing another townie and i'm more focused on reading you and i dont want knowledge of why i feel a specific way besides what i've said to impact how you play around me if that makes sense

Yeah okay you really need to rifle through this game.

Marked For Death is a setup where every night instead of killing, scum turn a VT into a named townie set to die at the end of the day. The VT is informed but no one else is.

I was marked and N_M claimed marked after we were all setting him up for a lynch that day. I went with it to get reactions out of people, and N_M revealed the "gambit" before I did. Being marked confirms you as town (scum have to mark every night) but the way N_M went about it sold everyone on it being town-motivated. Which I'm not sure is what he intended (I forget what he said in the scum PT) but point stands.

N_M-scum has a larger range than you think. And he adapts himself to the playerlist at hand.