Mini Normal 1983: Winter Wonderland [Endgame!]

[Katyusha]

but the way i envision this game i see nm/dino solved in a 4-way mylo with two hammertested townies in {me flubber monkey fire} discussing the arguments either way

unless it becomes a lot clearer on the way there i think it's better to get the easier lynches out of the way first. it's more time, less clutter, and maybe seeing which townies scum elect to remove first provides some sort of information

pedit: i guess it was him unvoting before i asked that made me feel it was ~genuine~ in real time

what i have to ask though is why doesn't n_m question the claim in mylo? you said it yourself, n_m is smarter than he lets on and I've been fully aware of this. surely from a town pov it would make sense to question that claim?

pedit: thinking. also great contribution n_m beyoncety.gif

[sheepsaysmeep]

pagetop?

nooo

[Not_Mafia]

And I'm town regardless of Fire's alignment

preps himself for the "DAE FIRE AND N_M SCUM?!?!" argument

Nope. Was in response to this

i think this is a question the mod can and should answer. if moz died first, then we're on easy street because fire and n_m is scum.

First time ever that a mod has called me out on a gambit.

lulz, why didn't you ask?

VOTE: Firebringer

Pounces on him for the lie

Lol I am actually Town

UNVOTE:

Why gambit like this in MyLo?

And then backs off for no reason?

You're calling Firebringer town and also telling me I shouldn't have backed off of him, you can't have your cake and eat it too

[sheepsaysmeep]

you can't have your cake and eat it too

:'( no fuck you

[Mathdino]

N_m pulled off of fire though before I asked

He was thinking it through imo while I think scum sticks to their guns

I disagree. N_M would've lost a 1v1 with Firebringer for sure. It's absolutely within Fire's meta to fakeclaim shit like that as town.
And keep in mind N_M knew Firebringer was town already. So of course he knows that Fire would fakeclaim like that as town.
Rem is/was an easier mislynch.

If fire/n_m was a preplanned scum gambit wouldn’t they especially follow through with UB rules?

I mean this is an okay argument as to Fire/N_M not scum together but this also implies that they would ever plan anything, which is a faulty assumption

have not read your last post brb

[sheepsaysmeep]

wait how do i eat it then
i can only eat it if i dont have it?

or do i just not get to eat cake

[Not_Mafia]

you can't have your cake and eat it too

:'( no fuck you

You can, Math can't

[sheepsaysmeep]

oh im fine with that

[Not_Mafia]

I mean this is an okay argument as to Fire/N_M not scum together but this also implies that they would ever plan anything, which is a faulty assumption

I trolled you as a teammate and plotted out the whole game, you know I have the ability to anticipate reactions and plan a scum gambit accordingly, so does Fire

[Mathdino]

but the way i envision this game i see nm/dino solved in a 4-way mylo with two hammertested townies in {me flubber monkey fire} discussing the arguments either way

unless it becomes a lot clearer on the way there i think it's better to get the easier lynches out of the way first. it's more time, less clutter, and maybe seeing which townies scum elect to remove first provides some sort of information

pedit: i guess it was him unvoting before i asked that made me feel it was ~genuine~ in real time

what i have to ask though is why doesn't n_m question the claim in mylo? you said it yourself, n_m is smarter than he lets on and I've been fully aware of this. surely from a town pov it would make sense to question that claim?

pedit: thinking. also great contribution n_m beyoncety.gif

1. I'm extremely not okay with that on the basis that the longer this game goes on, the less anyone will actually give a shit who we lynch. I want N_M/me solved now before town numbers start dwindling.

2. LyLo NKA is bad tbh. If we lynch Hopkirk, they'll probably kill Flubber for being extra confirmed. But outside of that it's anyone's guess. My understanding is that you, HEM, and Fire are all more on N_M's side here so they could literally kill anyone at this rate. More than likely you since you're a stabilising element.

3. Again, why would scum fakeclaim an innocent on some random townie? In N_M's position I don't think I'd have set up Fire like that. It was a pretty convincing claim even when I spectated it. The point is that N_M knew Fire was bullshitting already.

No comment on the unvote. If anything that's against what I know of town-Not_Mafia since town-Not_Mafia shoots from the hip to get shit over with.

[Mathdino]

I mean this is an okay argument as to Fire/N_M not scum together but this also implies that they would ever plan anything, which is a faulty assumption

I trolled you as a teammate and plotted out the whole game, you know I have the ability to anticipate reactions and plan a scum gambit accordingly, so does Fire

tfw literally making an argument that N_M/Fire could be scum together

[sheepsaysmeep]

fite fite fite fite

[Not_Mafia]

I mean this is an okay argument as to Fire/N_M not scum together but this also implies that they would ever plan anything, which is a faulty assumption

I trolled you as a teammate and plotted out the whole game, you know I have the ability to anticipate reactions and plan a scum gambit accordingly, so does Fire

tfw literally making an argument that N_M/Fire could be scum together

Yup, we could be and you know it, so you're full of shit

[Katyusha]

I mean this is an okay argument as to Fire/N_M not scum together but this also implies that they would ever plan anything, which is a faulty assumption

I trolled you as a teammate and plotted out the whole game, you know I have the ability to anticipate reactions and plan a scum gambit accordingly, so does Fire

tfw literally making an argument that N_M/Fire could be scum together

Yup, we could be and you know it, so you're full of shit

im just taking this as a scumclaim

[Mathdino]

You're calling Firebringer town and also telling me I shouldn't have backed off of him, you can't have your cake and eat it too

It's inconsistent with what I know of you.

I'm also in the frame of not really seeing how that makes you town anyway. "Scum would stick to their guns" doesn't really make sense to me and I've rarely if ever seen that to be true in LyLo.

Perfect example is Hopkirk who suddenly became more enlightened than the Dalai Lama tripping balls on LSD once I started making real arguments for sheep/Hop/N_M.

If scum sticks to their guns, then that also makes Hop town, which is just bad.

[Not_Mafia]

Mathdino did scumclaim yes, several other times too

[Mathdino]

N_M I've made numerous arguments as to why you and Fire's slot aren't scum together already. I don't feel I need to defend that point based on overanalysis of a few posts. sheep's ISO is enough for me to rule that out.

I've been transparent about my thought process. You're literally arguing "town-Mathdino wouldn't rule out me/Fire as a scumteam" which is...



waaaaat?

[Not_Mafia]

Perfect example is Hopkirk who suddenly became more enlightened than the Dalai Lama tripping balls on LSD once I started making real arguments for sheep/Hop/N_M.

Yes who has been calling the team sheep/Fire/Me and pushing

me

as the lynch, he's made no attempt to get Fire, his theoretical mislynch in your scenario, lynched

[sheepsaysmeep]

spicy

[Katyusha]

what reason do scum have to waffle

obviously here n_m!scum would be trying to look town in the first place by unvoting so i guess it's kind of a dumb question but i dont think saying "scum would stick to their guns" is an unreasonable assumption, theyre the ones who come into the game with a planned agenda in mind

Mathdino did scumclaim yes, several other times too

source?

pedit: no really like............. what would town!dino have done here n_m in your opinion

pedit: because literally no one would follow hopkirk onto fire, it's just a distraction and we shouldnt take the association to heart at all because he could be tying himself to you or tying himself to mathdino. it's just wifom

[Not_Mafia]

You're literally arguing "town-Mathdino wouldn't rule out me/Fire as a scumteam" which is...

I'm arguing that you thinking that Fire and I couldn't pull a scum theatre gambit is transparently bullshit

[humaneatingmonkey]

The most mafia I've ever seen N_M play.

[Mathdino]

Hopkirk is on a sinking ship. I honestly don't think the particular person someone pushes to lynch first in 8p LyLo is alignment indicative.

As either alignment I lynch the harder to lynch person first, then save confscum for 3p.

Hopkirk might do something differently.

And a lot of people choose to just lynch confscum first.

Basically that's not an argument. Hopkirk wins a lot of towncred if he's pushing you as hard as I am and if we get your lynch through today.

Edit: have not read katy's last post

[Not_Mafia]

pedit: no really like............. what would town!dino have done here n_m in your opinion

Lynch scum, not me, not refuse to vote conf scum when we still have 8 players and what? 4 or 5 players unclaimed?

[Katyusha]

this is me stating i'm fairly convinced now mathdino is town

if monkey or fire or flubber need me to explain why i can because there were a few posts from the other days that made me less sure about this but still

pedit: theres more points i think to his argument than that n_m?? and he's just saying you're impulsive players which i dont think is an unreasonable personality call. i do personally think fire like double checks at the very least what UB rules are before going with the claim in the pt but that's hardly out of the realm of someone "impulsive"

pedit: the argument to lynch non-confscum makes sense and dino is not the first person i've heard try it. it's not unreasonable nm