Mini Normal 1983: Winter Wonderland [Endgame!]

[Not_Mafia]

I honestly don't remember where exactly my read was, I wanted to lynch Hopkirk that day but wanted to see the results of a Seph wagon, I think I had Seph as a scum lean and then he self hammered

[Mathdino]

I like N_M a lot outside of mafia. Probably one of the funniest people on the site besides obviously Reck. Inside the game he pisses me off and I'll try to policy lynch him every time (unless it's LyLo or unless I have actual scumspects).

Katy I told you straight up you're probably not gonna be able to read people based off LyLo behaviour.

But you keep cycling back to LyLo behaviour as your argument.

I'm not even using N_M's "I COULD BE SCUM WITH FIRE" bullshit as a scumclaim. Like, he's wrong, and I'll prove he's wrong, but no matter what his POV is that he has to discredit me to survive.

Similarly, I have to come up with a scumteam that doesn't involve me. I lucked out in that the correct scumteam has more evidence going for it in D1/D2 than a scumteam involving my slot.

I haven't seen you or HEM once address why I'm scum based on the entire game rather than this 1v1 that N_M and I are both forced to carry out.

[Not_Mafia]

Your slot was basically a non-presence until you subbed in

[humaneatingmonkey]

there was this time REM had reads that didn't make sense to have in the context of the gamestate

[Mathdino]

It's weird how much I get into grudge matches with people solely during the game of mafia itself.

Like even when I'm town it's like just playing the game creates a whole different persona for me. I constantly get pissed off at my IRL friends during mafia and but then the game ends and it's like all of it washes away.

Glad I don't have any actual grudge matches on the site tbh.

Edit: Go find the quotes and I'll come up with "excuses, excuses"
Associatives might be more useful to you if a slot is basically a non-presence. N_M is in general a non-presence, which is why I try to solve his slot via associatives.

[humaneatingmonkey]

and this time the only thing she did after prodging is asking me why scum wouldn't bus like that's even a jumping point that makes sense

oh rem

[Katyusha]

Rem has been an empty slot all game. It's hard to come up with a read one way or another - we're relying entirely on n_m here who, if scum, played a relatively townie game early on but it's still possible to sell it as scum.

D1 she pushed a pretty reasonable case on Intern as the "active lurker following town consensus" and even compared it to n_m's iso which she thought was transparently town. After intern's claim though she kind of died down and had weird reads. No update D2 or D3.

I guess you could argue that sheep's interaction calling it a "really genuine entrance" means something but i think that was more following consensus

have we looked into hop/rem interactions?

also wrt n_m he did have a ?????? read on hop iirc D1 that i vaguely remember wanting to take note of after flips since i was expecting a hop lynch to happen, you know, before MYLO

[Not_Mafia]

Your mum is a non-presence

[Mathdino]

The fact that Rem ended up 100% lurking out should be indication that her lurking and total unawareness of the gamestate was NAI at worst and very very slightly town indicative at best (I see town lurk out much more than I see scum do it). Bad reads doesn't imply scum motivation.

Edit: kthx katy one sec

[Katyusha]

Does anyone in the game scumread Sheep/NM/Rem? It's obvious someone like you/me isn't going to be the nightkill here. There's plenty of targets mafia can easily pick that don't change the conversation.

lol?

havent read enough to do analysis but while ctrl-f'ing rem i found this lol

[Not_Mafia]

Yeah I was townreading Hop day 1 and iirc a decent chunk of day 2

[Mathdino]

Having checked Hop's ISO it seems like he largely groups Rem and N_M into the same pile/bin. I did see that already. It's objectively hard to pick the slots apart from Hop alone IMO.

[Katyusha]

im tempted to give rem town points for townreading bu but she didnt do much to really impact with that read despite pushing it LITERALLY being gamechanging here

pedit: thats the impression im getting so far too

[Katyusha]

i still cant get over the fact that with a single cop investigation that doesnt suck and a vig on hop this game would have become a roflstomp

[Mathdino]

Taking a potshot and just gonna say that N_M helped scum wincon more than Rem did *shrug*

It's pretty standard from what I see of scum-N_M tbh.

[Katyusha]

actually i think hop suddenly being REALLY fascinated by a intern lynch while rem is pushing it might give credence to the fact they're not aligned

[Not_Mafia]

Taking a potshot and just gonna say that N_M helped scum wincon more than Rem did *shrug*

It's pretty standard from what I see of scum-N_M tbh.

Why is that a potshot if I'm scum?

[humaneatingmonkey]

what if we lynch hopkirk instead, hmm?

[Katyusha]

Taking a potshot and just gonna say that N_M helped scum wincon more than Rem did *shrug*

It's pretty standard from what I see of scum-N_M tbh.

i too tend to assume that scum help their own wincon more than town helps scum's

[Katyusha]

what if we lynch hopkirk instead, hmm?

at this point that's the same as lynching sheep

[Not_Mafia]

Sheep probably has a better role than Hopkirk

[humaneatingmonkey]

well, yeah. the getting enlightened shit was just roflmfao

[humaneatingmonkey]

i am now curious what role sheep has.

[Katyusha]

why would it matter the game is effectively mountainous probably and scum can probably just safely shoot whatever remaining pr there is

[Mathdino]

Rem has been an empty slot all game. It's hard to come up with a read one way or another - we're relying entirely on n_m here who, if scum, played a relatively townie game early on but it's still possible to sell it as scum.

D1 she pushed a pretty reasonable case on Intern as the "active lurker following town consensus" and even compared it to n_m's iso which she thought was transparently town. After intern's claim though she kind of died down and had weird reads. No update D2 or D3.

I guess you could argue that sheep's interaction calling it a "really genuine entrance" means something but i think that was more following consensus

Idk man you're still buying into this "correct reads = town and bad reads = scum". Like, glad it helps my slot, but Hopkirk has had reasonably accurate reads in that he's been going after sheep all game and he's scum so.

I do think sheep's interaction there means something. Not a lot, but nonzero meaning. Go read my 4 cases. There's a difference in how sheep treats Hopkirk and Not_Mafia compared to everybody else. He never makes an attempt to read the two of them. His one or two attempts to read my total lurksack slot are actually pretty telling in comparison.