Newbie 1845 - A New Dawn Game Over

[RedFlavor]

not claiming tracker while its obvious that JK is going to waste block on you is GT but I dont think sunlit is a player with experince that would do that

[Sunlit Diamond]

lol I might be proving your point here, but- "GT"?

[mhsmith0]

Votecount 3.01

Creature (1) RedFlavor
Not Voting (5) Everyone Else

Day three deadline is Sunday February 11, 6 PM PST. (expired on 2018-02-11 18:00:00)

With 6 alive it takes 4 to lynch!

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[RedFlavor]

Gamethrowing is something you would not do as town member

[Sunlit Diamond]

so it would be game throw to not claim tracker knowing inferno would probably block me again?

I VLA'd before I had any indication that that would be an issue.

[RedFlavor]

Why would inferno block someone who claimed tracker?

[RedFlavor]

VOTE: sunlit diamond

Also you could just have said "I am tracker I was blocked last night plz dont block me again" knowing inferno would block you before claim and without revealing inferno

[Sunlit Diamond]

Um.... Why would I do that?

[RedFlavor]

To prevent obvious roleblock

[Sunlit Diamond]

I didn't know there would be another role block until night had started.

[Sando]

I didn't know there would be another role block until night had started.

So you got role-blocked, the

obvious

JK said he'd JKd you and was suspicious. With that info, it's been suuuuper obvious to everyone that he thought he'd JK'd the scum-NKer, and would thus repeat that action. He in fact said exactly that with his final post.

You knew...

[Sunlit Diamond]

I was on VLA. I did not know until night had started.

Look, if you're set on throwing the game, then lynch me. I'm sick of arguing about it. If you'd rather actually try to win, go for Creature, Red, or Avi.

[Sunlit Diamond]

From my perspective it would make exactly zero sense to JK the same person two nights in a row when there are two mafia alive. Maybe that's faulty reasoning, I don't know, but it IS my reasoning. I had no expectation, from where I sat, to suspect he would JK me twice until he had posted again, at which point I was already on VLA and didn't see it until it was too damn late to do anything.

We have Creature who hasn't done ANYTHING and has shitty excuses for doing nothing. We have Red, who has done nothing but sheep the obvious suspect each day and lean on his scummy play meta as explanation. We have Avi who's currently fairly town to me, but also hasn't done all that much. We have navneet who's done so little I forgot he was even in the game and had to go look up the other person.

There is scumhunting to be done here. Or you can continue to tunnel me and lose the damn game. It's up to you.

[Sando]

Just seems like every time I point out a logical fallacy in your argument you (now) fall back on "zomg stop tunnelling me".

You've seen through previous days that my questioning is to get to a logical conclusion, including on you where I've previously pushed for an answer and backed off once I thought it acceptable.

The thing about Red's question above is that with hindsight, he's really obviously right, you should have claimed Tracker yesterday and asked the JK not to jail you. We'd still have the same outcome today, except you'd have tracked someone (me apparently) and had some info. So the question is whether you should have done that without that benefit of hindsight. You've said the JK claim was super obvious, I've given you plenty of opportunity to claim it was only obvious to you but you've declined said opportunities. So you presumably thought that scum, early D2, knew that Inferno was JK, which means they would also know there was a tracker. Inferno is the easy NK, nothing that can be done to stop it. Everything up to this point is, apparently, super obvious early D2 and you must have realised this. The only possible way we get info N2 is you tracking, and if LUV is town we're gonna need a claim on D3 anyway. This is the situation you found yourself in during D2.

You could claim, thereby showing us all that scum NKd you N1, we can start looking into that. Also means Inferno doesn't jail you and you get info N2, or they kill you N2 and we have a jailer possibly doing work.
You could not claim, risk being jailed again while the JK dies, giving town absolutely zero useful info, which is exactly what happened.

With hindsight, the choice is obvious. The question is whether that's a fair assessment to make, and I think that with your own words, it is a fair assessment. You thought Inferno was super obvious JK from post 1 on D2, therefore scum did too, therefore Inferno was dead N2. So is the risk of getting jailed worth taking when a PR is going to die N1? No, not in my assessment.

Falling back on "yeah but it's bad play to 2xJK someone with 2 scum alive" with the play that's been shown in this game is...well we've seen some bad play here, I don't see that as an acceptable fallback position.

[Sunlit Diamond]

With hindsight, the choice is obvious. The question is whether that's a fair assessment to make, and I think that with your own words, it is a fair assessment. You thought Inferno was super obvious JK from post 1 on D2, therefore scum did too, therefore Inferno was dead N2. So is the risk of getting jailed worth taking when a PR is going to die N1? No, not in my assessment.

I'll accept that that was shitty judgment on my part, but it wasn't because I'm scum, it's because it didn't freaking occur to me.

[RedFlavor]

VOTE: creature

Bussing would be a good option for sunlit right now

[mhsmith0]

prodding thavneet

[Aviqf]

I really want to vote Creature because of his play, but he hasn't been on the two town lynches so far.. I'll do some rereading this weekend but I'm really busy right now, sorry guys.

[thenavneet]

Hello. Sorry. As I said I've been sick (healthwise)

I have not had time to re-read thoroughly

I will say this. Sunlit has obviously claimed Tracker and I see no CCs. I think that since we are in MyLo, we should try to find Sunlit's partner (if we think he is Scum). Essentially what I'm saying is, we have to consider the possibility that Sunlit was the Mafia NK target for N1 (though it IS confusing why Mafia would choose to do this tbh, I personally would have gone for Sando) Like I think that since we ARE in MyLo, we might as well go for the more idealistic route of trying to find Mafia other than Sunlit. If we happen to hit a Mafia PR (I believe Rolecop? I would have to check) then that pretty much confirms Sunlit as Town. If we hit a Goon, we can revisit the Sunlit situation next day when we would, presumably, still be in MyLo with 4 people left (My math might be off, I'm on very little sleep)

My top Town read is Sando by a mile and I've been saying that since D1. I'd have to read the ISOs of Red, avi to form an opinion there but I do remember thinking Red looked really bad. Creature, much like myself, has been a non-entity so it would be a shot in the dark.

Once again, I apologize for not being able to participate more. It's somewhat out of my hands.

[mhsmith0]

prodding creature

[thenavneet]

I read avi's ISO and have a slight town lean on him.

Red's ISO is next.

[Creature]

My PoE's pointing to Aviq and navneet rn.

[Creature]

I really want to vote Creature because of his play, but he hasn't been on the two town lynches so far.. I'll do some rereading this weekend but I'm really busy right now, sorry guys.

Thoughts about Sando?

[RedFlavor]

I really want to vote Creature because of his play, but he hasn't been on the two town lynches so far.. I'll do some rereading this weekend but I'm really busy right now, sorry guys.

Thoughts about Sando?

You just said you eliminated him from scum why would you ask this

[mhsmith0]

Prodding sunlit diamomd and Sando.