Open 708: Pick Your Poison - Game Over

[CultOfAthena]

Sorry i really mean to disappear so much.

Looking at the wagons - i'm saying no to a beefster and an absolutely no to Klick

Moz is ehh maybe if there's not much else

Where is your Klick townread coming from?

[RadiantCowbells]

[RadiantCowbells]

Alright it's hardball time.

CULT OF ATHENA.

If you do not vote Mozamis with me you are going to be downgraded 2 tiers to a level 6 friend.

VOTE: mozamis

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Just kidding.

VOTE: Errantparabola

Yes. In my memory I remembered Transcend and RC both ccing each other, and Transcend going back on it. I think I assumed that both claims were fake.

If you assumed both claims were fake, why did you expect to die night one? Did you expect scum to kill you?

But you never gave the "conflicting" part of that interpretation – you never gave any reasons that you townread him. I don't see why, from your perspective, your Max townread exists at all, and combined with the fact that you were voting him just yesterday and never gave any indication of rethinking that read, I'm pretty sure you're faking your reads.

I mean this is provably untrue.

Maxous is definitely playing like lethargic/carefree town or doing a good job of emulating it so I'm conflicted

The thing is that you haven't said anything about

why

he's carefree town. Even if we were to both agree on him looking carefree, you haven't said anything about why that carefree nature is coming from town rather than from scum. Also, max has been playing in largely the same way today as yesterday, so if you're reading him as town for his playstyle today, why were you voting him yesterday?

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[Beefster]

Alright it's hardball time.

CULT OF ATHENA.

If you do not vote Mozamis with me you are going to be downgraded 2 tiers to a level 6 friend.

VOTE: mozamis

Just kidding.

VOTE: Errantparabola

Yes. In my memory I remembered Transcend and RC both ccing each other, and Transcend going back on it. I think I assumed that both claims were fake.

If you assumed both claims were fake, why did you expect to die night one? Did you expect scum to kill you?

But you never gave the "conflicting" part of that interpretation – you never gave any reasons that you townread him. I don't see why, from your perspective, your Max townread exists at all, and combined with the fact that you were voting him just yesterday and never gave any indication of rethinking that read, I'm pretty sure you're faking your reads.

I mean this is provably untrue.

Maxous is definitely playing like lethargic/carefree town or doing a good job of emulating it so I'm conflicted

The thing is that you haven't said anything about

why

he's carefree town. Even if we were to both agree on him looking carefree, you haven't said anything about why that carefree nature is coming from town rather than from scum. Also, max has been playing in largely the same way today as yesterday, so if you're reading him as town for his playstyle today, why were you voting him yesterday?

moz/Athena scumteam confirmed

[Errantparabola]

Beefs been on every wagon that looked like a viable lynch

dont think this is a reason to scumread.

That catch up post from EP didn't contain anything that looked like scumhunting. He's happy to sheep RC's reads "Max/Klick/Tex" - no reasons given - then happy to vote me a few posts later. No reason given.

when you look at my posts it feel like its pretty clear that i'm working from a poe point of view here, and i have expressed logic on the scummy things i think are from max and klick

Hahahaha, oh man these fucking TOWN CHUMPS are really shooting themselves in the foot for not powerlynching me and tex!

Also, the vote counter doesn't recognize "ep" Votes as voting for Errantparabola so please spell the full name or use something like "vote: errant"

Votecounter townreads me.

Thor, I remember you suggesting a vote on RC earlier (it's a hazy memory so correct me if it was a joke or something) but why was that?
Athena, I don't think any of your lines of questioning are salient in the slightest. If it becomes something people in general care about then sure I'll go line for line on my thoughts.

RC's case:
1) busses swims
2) Beefster assoc
3) Purposefully playing up his playstyle

My thoughts:
1) eh. nothing particularly damning (there usually isn't though) but also plausible and i can respect your bussing cred i guess.
2) no
3) At first I thought this was a good point-- I did a pretty deep metadive because I think this is where it applies quite strongly. I think it points somewhat nicely and easily to his towngame. I can elaborate but I'd be interested to see if anyone has their own conclusions.

[RadiantCowbells]

I tracked Mozamis to the nightkill btw.

[Errantparabola]

ugh i was afraid of that but randomly decided to dismiss it

[Errantparabola]

I'll vote moz after Thor checks in if that's the case.

[RadiantCowbells]

I'll vote moz after Thor checks in if that's the case.

Why do you care about Thor checking in?

[Errantparabola]

I think he's cute

[Klick]

VOTE: mozamis

[RadiantCowbells]

Yeah that was a lie Ether doesn't allow me to fakeclaim guilties anymore sorry.

But we're at the point where if this was a year ago I'd be fakeclaiming a guilty. this really has to happen.

[Errantparabola]

fakeclaim all you want smooch
that vote by klick though. sexy.

[RadiantCowbells]

if anything I think the naked vote is town indicative

[Errantparabola]

That was my gut reaction too, and I definitely think that, but I might not read too much into it-- if Klick is scum, he knows moz's alignment which makes it very easy to respond like that

[RadiantCowbells]

I feel like if klick is scum and knows moz's alignment as TOWN at least he gives some justification or has more brain fart moment

[RadiantCowbells]

It's a bad sign that I'm now more worried about the fact that I just lost my leverage to actually fakeclaim a guilty if it gets desperate enough than the fact that I think that might clear klick

[Thor665]

@EP - go back and read to refresh your hazy memory, as I already explained the "request" for RC votes.
Short answer - I never really did in a meaningful way that mattered.

[RadiantCowbells]

Okay CoA let's play a game.

Say I would sheep you on any wagon today on the condition that if it flipped town you would powerlynch Mozamis tomorrow.

Who would your lynch be and why?

[CultOfAthena]

Athena, I don't think any of your lines of questioning are salient in the slightest. If it becomes something people in general care about then sure I'll go line for line on my thoughts.

I'm accusing you of lying and making up your reads. What about that doesn't seem "salient" to you?

Okay CoA let's play a game.

Say I would sheep you on any wagon today on the condition that if it flipped town you would powerlynch Mozamis tomorrow.

Who would your lynch be and why?

I'll say this again – just because I'm wrong in one instance doesn't imply that I'm wrong in another.

I'm also not sure why I'm specifically the one you're trying to convince on this, especially when I've already made it clear that I think mozamis is town.

[Beefster]

I tracked Mozamis to the nightkill btw.

Athena, I don't think any of your lines of questioning are salient in the slightest. If it becomes something people in general care about then sure I'll go line for line on my thoughts.

I'm accusing you of lying and making up your reads. What about that doesn't seem "salient" to you?

Okay CoA let's play a game.

Say I would sheep you on any wagon today on the condition that if it flipped town you would powerlynch Mozamis tomorrow.

Who would your lynch be and why?

I'll say this again – just because I'm wrong in one instance doesn't imply that I'm wrong in another.

I'm also not sure why I'm specifically the one you're trying to convince on this, especially when I've already made it clear that I think mozamis is town.

I don't think there's any disputing a confirmed tracker. If RC followed mozamis to the kill, either he's lying or mozamis is scum. We'll know for sure which one it is after we lynch mozamis.

VOTE: mozamis

I think that's where my vote was already, so I guess I'm reparking my vote.

[RadiantCowbells]

Okay, well.

VOTE: Mozamis

If this flips scum don't bring CoA to endgame no matter what.

[RadiantCowbells]

(don't bring beefster either: you have 1 more lynch for everyone else in the game, go wild)

[texcat]

I don't think there's any disputing a confirmed tracker. If RC followed mozamis to the kill, either he's lying or mozamis is scum. We'll know for sure which one it is after we lynch mozamis.

VOTE: mozamis

I think that's where my vote was already, so I guess I'm reparking my vote.

This post may be the most ridiculous of the game. Beefster, why are you intentionally ignoring 1561???? We already know that RC was lying. Is it an effort to get Moz lynched? Or is this somehow supposed to get you town cred?

[Beefster]

I wasn't intentionally ignoring it. I legitimately didn't notice it. I will admit to being lazy.