In post 1655, RadiantCowbells wrote:for starters what do these two games have in common with regards to aristophanes and chara
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=74699
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=73079
you have a player who as scum hides behind the meta shield of being known for being bad as scum
they are both objectively scummy in both games: I wanted to lynch Ari right when I replaced in and Chara I had as lockscum in spite of meta
they became unlynchable because the people who knew them refused to take my read seriously because they thought they knew better.
people get better as scum. I agree that mozamis has a shit scum game in the past that doesn't mean he'll have a shit scum game forever.
He has managed to in a significant way match his town tone that he hasn't before but he hasn't matched the playstyle, the stupid pushes the scum motivation none of that is characteristic in his town game.
Most importantly there's a complete absence of reconsideration and thoughtfulness that's present in his town game and he's just alternating derptunnel and loud AtE.
Okay, I'll concede this point. I actually have a unique perspective on that second game there because it was one of the first games I read and, unfamiliar with Aristo's meta, I scumread him just for his posting. I'll take another look at moz, independent of meta, but I wouldn't hold your breath if you're expecting a complete 180 here.
I don't want to be unnecessarily critical of your play CoA but you have a long history of incorrectly townreading people with similar playstyles.
On top of that, I get the impression from both this game and just general past history that, possibly because of Huntress? you have little to no respect for my town play
like you even ignored my advice when we were hydraing and it ended up (possibly! I'm not sure where math would have gone otherwise) costing us the game and you still don't take what I say seriously
This point, however, I will not concede. Not agreeing with you isn't the same as not taking you seriously. Of course I take you seriously and respect your town play – it's just that we disagree. I also disagree that that decision specifically was what cost us the game, but that discussion isn't particularly relevant.
EP is even worse because I don't understand how in hell you would make the decision that you want to go off of your own reads as opposed to sheep me.
I am probably going to get you lynched if I can't lynch Mozamis because it seems so, so uncharacteristic of you to give as few fucks as you do about my reads.
We have a super long history of me saying who the scum are, you fucking off and ignoring me, and me being right and given how our conversations about mafia have gone since then it's kind of flabbergasting that you're ignoring me and the only real answer I can think of is that you're scum right now, so.
When have I ever sheeped
anyone
? I also think you're overstating the degree of similarity between this situation and any previous situations.
Bad thought.
