Open 710: MKUltra - Foreign Spies Win!

[RedFlavor]

Someone asked me about what would I expect from math's scum game, I thinked about it and it would probably be pocketing some people and outing their scumread, so I agree that it might be early to TR him.

[Beefster]

I dunno. Math's playing differently than I've seen in previous games. He sort of takes charge. But given the nature of the hydra, maybe he gets the botd on playstyle?

I still can't say I like what I've seen from TD thus far.

[skitter30]

VOTE: Iconeum

Like...43 could have been funny and RVSy. But your 51, 54, and 58 are just...unnecessary and fake. Especially 58.

Talk to you Monday, I guess. Wouldn't be surprised to see you pop in soon.

Honestly kinda townreading most of those posts because I don't think scum reacts to someone claiming scum by joking about it and carrying through the joke for multiple posts tbh.

Kop’s entrance pings me. Although I always feel like scumreading Kop because he looks tryhard.

Somewhat inclined to agree with Kop on N_M. Although I can see some effective scumplay in his posts.

a) I don't really see tryhard

b) These two statements are kinda weird juxtaposed with each other? IE his entrance pings you but you agree with his main point? Like it's kinda weird to argue both at the same time

c) Your slot wants to policy NM (a sentiment that has since been echoed by others), you say there's things about NM's play that you could scumread, and NM is the leading wagon, and you leave it to start a vanity sesq wagon?

the only person I feel strongly enough about to consider as an alternative is RedFlavor but even them there's stuff I like?

Yeah I kinda feel like this right now. The only person I'm scumreading atm is TD; everyone else is null or townleaning. I don't much like that I have like no significant scumreads besides the one but I feel like that might be a feature of multiball, idk.

I kinda disagree with you on RF though, I'm tending town on him overall.

Sesq feels town, Skitter has been bumped up to near locktown, not happy with mumble, Kop is okay.

Why on me and mumble?

[Tatl and Tael]

You really feel like you're trying to gamesolve. I've also seen you several times as scum and generally know what to look for and am not seeing it this game.

Mumble literally copy pasted a bunch of posts from a game where he was town and got locktowned by me page 1 and I want an explanation of why he did it because it feels like he's trying to get the same townread.

[Kop]

I'm not voting for Not Mafia this day phase. I have had a lot of dealings with Not Mafia and he plays the same almost, in either alignment. It gets to a point that he virtually becomes a policy lynch for myself because he's hard to read. So I'm not prepared to jump on that wagon just yet.

But this vote stands out for me.

VOTE: RedFlavour

Any reason for the vote? You talked about the leading wagon but not about the player you're voting.

No clue how to sort GIF, but 105 would be weird coming from scum.

I went and looked at the post but I don't see how it would be weird coming from scum.


-Tatl

I voted for Red because I didn't like the fact that he attacked a slot, but voted for another slot without any real explanation. I fully understand that he didn't want to put Not Mafia into lynch range, but it still doesn't mean that you vote for someone else without explanation.

It just feels weird to me the manner of how he's gone about it, and I can't quite put my finger on it.

[skitter30]

You really feel like you're trying to gamesolve. I've also seen you several times as scum and generally know what to look for and am not seeing it this game.

Mumble literally copy pasted a bunch of posts from a game where he was town and got locktowned by me page 1 and I want an explanation of why he did it because it feels like he's trying to get the same townread.

I guess I was kinda surprised by the strength of the read given what I've posted thus far, and it's making me wonder if the read was given out too easily, if that makes sense?

Also link the mumble game?

[Tatl and Tael]

Given that I essentially (correctly) claimed a guilty on you last game before you claimed vig to get out of it I don't think it should surprise you that I'm townreading you?

[Iconeum]

Is meta play a big deal here?
My vote on NM is serious.

Tatl n teal i dont like. More on that tomorrow.

[Sesq]

meta as in what the things mean and how to townread = yes

meta is in individuals' = also yes but try to ignore it

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@skitter 127 point b does not conflict, someone can come in being a tryhard and you can also agree with them

you've never had any scum agree with you on something and had it feel a bit weird?

also not a fan of this trend of people scumreading for explaining a thing then voting another thing. something is off.

[skitter30]

Given that I essentially (correctly) claimed a guilty on you last game before you claimed vig to get out of it I don't think it should surprise you that I'm townreading you?

That was like six months ago and I don't think you've played with town!me, but fair enough.

@skitter 127 point b does not conflict, someone can come in being a tryhard and you can also agree with them

you've never had any scum agree with you on something and had it feel a bit weird?

also not a fan of this trend of people scumreading for explaining a thing then voting another thing. something is off.

Yeah I agree with you in that I don't think it inherently conflicts, but it's still kinda weird to at once shade someone's posts but also agree with the main argument posited in those posts.

Is the last line directed at me? If so, I'm not really sure what you're referring to?

[Sesq]

not weird at all

directed at entire game, clarify:

dont like how people are being scumread for reasoning abt one read and voting another

[Mumble]

Mumble literally copy pasted a bunch of posts from a game where he was town and got locktowned by me page 1 and I want an explanation of why he did it because it feels like he's trying to get the same townread.

The only thing that was similar to the other game was the enlarged vote on N_M, so I’m not sure where you are coming from with this. My posting has nothing to do with you.

Prodge mostly. Will catch up on the rest tomorrow.

[Sky_Paladin]

I return!

So catch-ups:
First up, even though I've been V/LA, I only went 2 days and 22 hours without a post. Not Mafia has gone 79 hours and, as the saying goes, 'has been active elsewhere on the site'.

@mod

please prod.

@Hawk

Sky doesn't GiF voting first then NM following up onto me make GiF look better if Red was scumleaning NM?

I was asking Not Mafia because it seemed like he was deliberately following GiF's vote after it had been highlighted as a reason why people were voting GiF/him. It seemed like a strange thing to do and I wanted an explanation (that until now has not been forthcoming).

TD's 77 concerns me as a little bit strawman saying effectively "Don't blame me, this is my hydra's fault" as a way to handwave dismiss points against him. However there is a bit of meat to it so I don't realllllly think it's a handwave. I specifically don't like this though -

@Everyone scumreading my opening: What do you think town-Math does in that situation? More specifically...
1. Do you think town-Math even tries to lie low? (if no, this implies I'm lying about the nature of this hydra)
2. Assuming town-Math DOES lie low, how does town-Math do it differently in the opening?

because WIFOM, and I don't expect that from town!Math.

Actually this whole post reeks of this exact quote

You're correct that I'm preemptively defending against people who expect too much of me. (cut) don't expect me to dance around and obvtown for you guys, or defend myself in real-time, because while most of you know me more than Impede, this slot isn't the Mathdino Show.

I'm going to disagree that "this isn't the mathdino show" business though; if you're playing a hydra I expect you to bring the best and worst of both players, and you don't get to blame your other head for not being town enough.

@TD

I think I can read Red much better now having had a few conversations with him about town strategy (I told him I'm not the one to ask for scumtips lol).

Gonna teacher hydra with him at some point.

Still seems town so far tbh.

Also you should respond to the question in 75.

This seems highly condescending. Why does Red need teaching from you? He slipped completely under you radar as scum and you are setting him up to do it again if he is scum this game.

I can't see a question in 75 and the link goes to the start. I had a quick look through your ISO and couldn't see a question directed at me. Could you please restate?

Sesq's 102 pings me a lot as a "Don't blame me, its random". Come on. Even though it's RVS everybody has a reason for their vote. I already explained my RVS was because I wanted activity from Red. What's your excuse?

I'm pretty much prepared to sheep Icon's 111 and I already have misgivings about Not Mafia taking refuge in audacity and lurking out the ensuing storm.

Kop (on Not Mafia)

Lynching him this day phase may appease those comments if he flips scum, but if he flips town, where does that leaves us on moving forward?

If he flips town it removes a non-contributing player so we don't have to deal with him in LYLO? We don't have a vig to take out the trash this game so I'd rather do it on day 1 so we can get interaction reads over a slot nobody is supposed to care about. It seems a lot of people have an opinion some way or the other, so I think a flip there increasingly has merit.

TD

Paranoid of Sky. His only meaningful interactions iirc have been with us and he hasn’t made a real effort anywhere else. Need more content.

I was V/LA for three days. Not an excuse, I'm just curious how this can be a real thing from you (note my vote was on Red and I'd asked Not Mafia to explain themselves) so that seems kind of fake effort there.

I am concerned by the TD slot. I'm also not super impressed with Red at this stage but I think some pressure on Not Mafia, who is apparently lurking out of danger, is the way to go.

VOTE: Not_Mafia

There hasn't been a vote tally for awhile, but I believe that is

L-2

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[Not_Mafia]

VOTE: RedFlavour

[Sesq]

@ 137

a) its not really rvs
b) literally what the fuck are you talking about i didnt say anything was random, i wasnt shifting blame, what are you getting at

VOTE: sky because i want to.

i don't have a read? i just want to vote you for this. ok? ok. cool.

[Sky_Paladin]

a) its not really rvs
b) literally what the fuck are you talking about i didnt say anything was random, i wasnt shifting blame, what are you getting at

You're 99 and 102 where you apologise to Tatl and Tael for your RVS strikes me as scummy, that's what I'm getting at.

[RedFlavor]

VOTE: RedFlavour

Why

[skitter30]

If he flips town it removes a non-contributing player so we don't have to deal with him in LYLO? We don't have a vig to take out the trash this game so I'd rather do it on day 1 so we can get interaction reads over a slot nobody is supposed to care about. It seems a lot of people have an opinion some way or the other, so I think a flip there increasingly has merit.

I now explicitly support this and if NM's getting policied I'd prefer it happened today rather than later.

[Technical Difficulties]

I was V/LA for three days. Not an excuse, I'm just curious how this can be a real thing from you (note my vote was on Red and I'd asked Not Mafia to explain themselves) so that seems kind of fake effort there.

To be fair, I’m REALLY busy and totally forgot about your V/LA when I posted that. MB. Idk why you are kidgloving me on that though. Why didn’t you go for the throat and accuse me of being manipulative? That’s what I would’ve done. Idk your meta so I can’t say if you’re normally a BOTD-giver, but I both appreciate it and am mystified by it.

[Technical Difficulties]

@GIF: In response to 121: Idk he always seems super meticulous with his posts and overjustifies things in a paranoid way. Like his not voting for NM. Tbh, I’ve only played with him once though and he was Town doing this and I think I like it

[Technical Difficulties]

I have no meaningful opinion on this game right now. Really overwhelmed with real life guys. Trying not to lurk out or be worthless, but struggling. Will try to post some meaningful reads tmrw.

[Tatl and Tael]

That was like six months ago and I don't think you've played with town!me, but fair enough.

When playing the game with Boonskiies I took the time to read every single game you've played. I feel pretty confident in my ability to ascertain that.
If I couldn't recognize your towngame I wouldn't have had the confidence to push on you like I did in the boon game.

Gonna say red may have been a LHF scumread nad he might be town. Still happy with my scumread on TD.
N_M is never going to be a strong contributor to the game or eat a nightkill so I am vaguely fine with lynching them.

@Iconeum: why do you think that we're scum?

[Tatl and Tael]

-Tael by the way.

[Sesq]

a) its not really rvs
b) literally what the fuck are you talking about i didnt say anything was random, i wasnt shifting blame, what are you getting at

You're 99 and 102 where you apologise to Tatl and Tael for your RVS strikes me as scummy, that's what I'm getting at.

again you are taking it too seriously

it's a tounge-in-cheek apology, sorry because i don't really think you're scum, i just can't find antyhing better

i am literally the best at mafia do not question my strategic mindsight

[Sesq]

**not you specifically, but just someone in general

s'frustratin really