In post 496, Keychain wrote:Nightless is such a hard slog wow. White flag mechanic was also tough considering even insanity towning it up wouldn't matter if the other two of us got lynched. If town had lynched me we would have been in such a precarious position with the lurker slot and all.
Yep, it was definitely a challenge!
@Blackvoid if you're still reading this, you were clearly too busy to replace in. I like that you wanted to catchup properly but by not replacing out when you couldn't manage, you made it stressful for us because we still needed to protect your slot.
In post 497, Mulch wrote:No way town can ever win in a geriatric game
lol
Please keep comments like this out of geriatric games. Seriously, it's not helpful to try to throw gasoline on the fire that is the divide, and this is neither the time nor the place to insult the people who want to play in this style. I get that it is anathema to your posting style, but that's literally the point of seperating out people who want to play this way. Following them around to insult them does not help you or them in any way.
Yes, this game was largely a loss due to town apathy, but town apathy is not held solely by geriatric games.
Also, my reads were garbage. I pushed every mislynch in this game.
@Insanity: What are your thoughts on the way everyone seemed to townread you (especially me/Jingle)?
I feel like the amount of time it took for a BV replacement hurt us since it really grew the apathy in lylo- to the point Jingle was willing to vote in lylo without a slot having fully contributed.
@insanity, fair enough. I kept trying to stay in the game because I wanted to make this big, pro-town catchup post full of in-depth reads and then go from there but it really never panned out. The longer it took, the more I felt like I was in this game long enough without posting so felt obligated to catchup. Also, yeah I shouldn't have replaced in. I thought I could handle a short game. What I didn't realize was how content-dense it was even with a low page count. I certainly apologize to both you guys and the town.
I feel like catching up as much as you could- slowly but doing something- would have looked a lot more pro-town than a big catch up. The way you approached it looked manufactured or scum who didn't want to rock the boat. A big catch up with in-depth reads would just sound like you'd spent ages making it and were more interested in how it looked than it letting us know what you were thinking.
It's really unfortunate because the BV slot, had it been replaced on time, would've changed the endgame. Ugh. Oh well, bad game all around. No offense to the scumteam at all. It just feels like this game has an asterisk.
Lynches made so much more sense with scum BV too, but idk how much the Geriatric ruleset was responsible for altering tempo- might have just given it that effect to some extent.
Apathy wasn't so much the standard geriatric ruleset as it was the lack of deadlines. That doesn't seem like the best idea to include.
By the end I'd basically given up on trying to change people's minds any more since it had been so long and people posted so infrequently. Jingle seemed the same as I've said on voting before BV was really doing enough. Being able to spread it out over a longer period sounds like potentially a good idea, but in practice it just seems to make it hard to actually engage directly with people/follow a conversation well.
Request acknowledged. I will probably meta you naturally at some point during the game, given the lack of nightkills, but if nothing else and assuming you mean this remind me in the postgame and I'll do a thorough analysis for you.
I'd be interested in your thoughts if this offer is still open (though I know you're busy).
My aim was to look as townie as possible from the start. I tried to be aggressive and go after stuff that I would have genuinely attacked if I was town (eg early CultofAthena posts). I'm glad that it worked and I had a lot of people townreading at the start of the game.
I think that I could have been caught on some of the interactions. On a few occasions, I was soft-defending my buddies. For example, Luca Blight during the argument with Korts. I also gave Keychain the benefit of the doubt a lot, even though I should have been more suspicious of someone who looked to be sheeping/buddying me.
It's hard to tell what would have happened if BV was replaced earlier. I believe his lurkiness caused problems for both town and scum equally. If anything, he should probably have been policy lynched on Day 2 (but TGP helped us out by looking even worse and pretty much trolling). I genuinely don't think he would have been the right choice to lynch in Day 3 given the white flag mechanic and the lack of information.
In terms of the apathy problem, I think it would have been fine if the 48 hour prod rule had been implemented. I think the geriatric ruleset is fine!
In post 504, Hopkirk wrote:I feel like catching up as much as you could- slowly but doing something- would have looked a lot more pro-town than a big catch up. The way you approached it looked manufactured or scum who didn't want to rock the boat. A big catch up with in-depth reads would just sound like you'd spent ages making it and were more interested in how it looked than it letting us know what you were thinking.
I agree! Or even posting impressions like "A and B are town, X and Y are scum" and the interacting with other players in order to flesh out the reasons why would have been useful. It's just your slot had been inactive for so long that we didn't have the luxury of waiting around for your slot to produce content. It was sliding further and further into the default-scum pile the longer you didn't post.
And again, I appreciate that you wanted to catchup properly rather than just lurk-coast for the win.
Request acknowledged. I will probably meta you naturally at some point during the game, given the lack of nightkills, but if nothing else and assuming you mean this remind me in the postgame and I'll do a thorough analysis for you.
I'd be interested in your thoughts if this offer is still open (though I know you're busy).
Sure. It might be a few weeks, but I'll do a more in depth meta dive and give you my thoughts.
Oh, and reck, I most certainly did do all of the 'mental calculus' to get my early day one reads. My only lies this game afaicr were exaggerating the strength of reads, which is actually fairly atypical of both scum and town me. I lie constantly as both alignments normally.
I do think Town can win in Geriatric, I think apathy killed this town a bit though, only from a slight skim though. BV prod dodging like that was kind of annoying though, and he kind of helped hurt it when he really wasn't playing. (Sure, I've done this once, so I forgive him, but just don't do it again BV)
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