Mini Normal 1988 (Endgame)

[StefanB]

Mulch:
Shortly before we have a massclaim VT or not VT outing is not a problem.

[Roy Tagliaferro]

If I'm gonna out 2 VT/non VT results then you can too I guess. Both of us are gonna get a bullet probably so yeah. Perhaps wait until my results are out.

[StefanB]

Why wait on Mulchresult?
I trust you more than Mulch. (Anyone who doesn't exept Mulch?)
You want to catch scum who are lying. Since I suspect Mulch of lying I want him first.

[havingfitz]

Hello it's me your friendly 2 shot Neapolitan

I used my shots. Crumbed it, first letter of my first few paragraphs should spell TWONEAPO or something

Why are you claiming here? Can you show me your crumb? I went through your ISO and I'm not seeing it.

Both investigations are alive.

Why not give your results now without naming names? 2 VT? 2 Non VT? One of each?

VOTE: bujaber
I checked someone last night and got no incriminating result so not gonna out it

So yesterday you were suspecting Bujaber before Nero "made" you vote mozamis.
After a Neapolatin claims you suddenly have a non-vt investigative role that does not incriminate. That miiight (?) out a VT. So one would assume you investigated Bujaber but if you got no incriminating result and you might be outing a VT...why vote him today? BS imo. What are the potential outcomes of your investigative result?

I'd vote you but not ready to put you at L-1 so soon.

Consider me voting Mulch.

Don't like either claim that much but especially Mulch's.

[StefanB]

Fitz: Just to clear up confusion.
Mulch claimed 1-shot rolecop yesterday. This is supposly the same claim.

Nero made Mulch vote Moz yesterday is not something I see from the game yesterday.

[Roy Tagliaferro]

VOTE: Luca Blight

There is only room for one person with a space in their username, and Nero won the coin flip.

Well, yes.

Oh I was trying to say that between Luca and Nero, Nero won the coin flip earning Luca my vote

Now as for Nero... we can keep him for now no? You don't win the battle I'm fighting in just one day.

Either way here's to hoping we can start soon because deadline is shorter than usually (7 days y'all!)

And good luck to all, yada yada.

Pretty much sometimes. Wouldn't know where to start though.

Okay, tbh I'm not sure of my stance on lurker lynches. They're not giving you info but the question is whether this is more harmful on D1 or at a later time if you see what I'm saying

Excluding the vote, the first letter of every paragraph spells TWONEAPO which was the crumb

[havingfitz]

Fitz: Just to clear up confusion.
Mulch claimed 1-shot rolecop yesterday. This is supposly the same claim.

I did not recall this.
Still doesn't jive with voting BuJaber today when he should have been Mulch's investigation last night when Mulch got a non-incriminating result.

Nero made Mulch vote Moz yesterday is not something I see from the game yesterday.

Nero you are a fucking idiot lol

I townread moz and then you

, who has played with them more than me,

convinced me to scumread them

because you said it was their scum meta

[StefanB]

Fitz: And this is somethink that imho didn't happen yesterday.

Hero are the post from Nero re Moz after Mulch stated a townread and prior to the vote:

In post 729, Mulch wrote:

I’m townread Nero and moz

But their interaction suggest tvs

this seems very fence sitty and just odd.

I'm worried that this some kind of safety net post for when/if Moz flips scum.

(Mulch post bolded because needed for context but not from Nero)

Doesn't jive with Nero made him.

[havingfitz]

^ the better to vote him for.

[Mulch]

Hello it's me your friendly 2 shot Neapolitan

I used my shots. Crumbed it, first letter of my first few paragraphs should spell TWONEAPO or something

Why are you claiming here? Can you show me your crumb? I went through your ISO and I'm not seeing it.

Both investigations are alive.

Why not give your results now without naming names? 2 VT? 2 Non VT? One of each?

VOTE: bujaber
I checked someone last night and got no incriminating result so not gonna out it

So yesterday you were suspecting Bujaber before Nero "made" you vote mozamis.
After a Neapolatin claims you suddenly have a non-vt investigative role that does not incriminate. That miiight (?) out a VT. So one would assume you investigated Bujaber but if you got no incriminating result and you might be outing a VT...why vote him today? BS imo. What are the potential outcomes of your investigative result?

I'd vote you but not ready to put you at L-1 so soon.

Consider me voting Mulch.

Don't like either claim that much but especially Mulch's.

Explain this like I’m 5?

[BuJaber]

I don't understand why you'd claim here Roy but that crumbing is solid evidence.

Unless we're voting them I also don't see why we should out VTs. If we're about to lynch one of them let us know.

[Roy Tagliaferro]

I had 2 shots which I used up so why would I not claim?

I want a claiming round to see how scum handles it.

[Mulch]

I’m confused

Should I go first or you roy

[havingfitz]

Hello it's me your friendly 2 shot Neapolitan

I used my shots. Crumbed it, first letter of my first few paragraphs should spell TWONEAPO or something

Why are you claiming here? Can you show me your crumb? I went through your ISO and I'm not seeing it.

Both investigations are alive.

Why not give your results now without naming names? 2 VT? 2 Non VT? One of each?

VOTE: bujaber
I checked someone last night and got no incriminating result so not gonna out it

So yesterday you were suspecting Bujaber before Nero "made" you vote mozamis.
After a Neapolatin claims you suddenly have a non-vt investigative role that does not incriminate. That miiight (?) out a VT. So one would assume you investigated Bujaber but if you got no incriminating result and you might be outing a VT...why vote him today? BS imo. What are the potential outcomes of your investigative result?

I'd vote you but not ready to put you at L-1 so soon.

Consider me voting Mulch.

Don't like either claim that much but especially Mulch's.

Explain this like I’m 5?

1)

So yesterday you were suspecting Bujaber before Nero "made" you vote mozamis.

After a Neapolatin claims

2)

you

suddenly

have a non-vt investigative role

result

that does not incriminate. That miiight (?) out a VT.

So

3)

one would assume you investigated Bujaber but if you got no incriminating result and you might be outing a VT...why vote him today?

4) =

BS imo.

[Roy Tagliaferro]

You shouldn't assume he investigated bujaber? If he got an incrimination on bujaber he'd vote there but he didn't get a guilty.

Also we need to work out the course of the day and claiming or not claiming together y'all.

[Mulch]

Fine I’m just gonna claim bc I’m confused


I investigated bujaber and got vanilla

I think he’s probably a goon

So why shouldn’t I vote him exactly?

[Mulch]

What’s bs about voting a result that’s not a guilty??

[StefanB]

She we go next, all or only Roy?

[StefanB]

Of course the question for BuJaber, if Mulch result could be true.

[havingfitz]

VOTE: bujaber


I checked someone last night and

got no incriminating result so not gonna out it

Wait I would claim

Then

I out a VT potentially

I investigated bujaber and got vanilla

I think he’s probably a goon

What’s bs about voting a result that’s not a guilty??

So you got no incriminating result and you're worried about outing a VT...but you have no problem voting the player you are worried about outing a VT on? Makes no sense to me?

Also...on further review...it seems odd to me that we would have a Neapolitan and a rolecop in the same game. This might be the first game I've ever had with a "neapolitan" if Roy's claim is true so idk. I want to look into that.

[Roy Tagliaferro]

I misunderstood earlier.

From what I deduct Mulch is a flavor cop not a role cop. Hence he says he got vanilla yet thinks Bu is a goon. Goons are vanilla, just not vanilla town.

[havingfitz]

I misunderstood earlier.

From what I deduct Mulch is a flavor cop not a role cop. Hence he says he got vanilla yet thinks Bu is a goon. Goons are vanilla, just not vanilla town.

I'm a town 1-shot

role

cop

My predecessor didn't use it last night

What did you misunderstand Roy? Something is not right between your two claims. If at least one of you isn't scum I will be very surprised.

[Roy Tagliaferro]

VOTE: bujaber


I checked someone last night and got no incriminating result so not gonna out it

Fine I’m just gonna claim bc I’m confused


I investigated bujaber and got vanilla

I think he’s probably a goon

So why shouldn’t I vote him exactly?

I forgot about the rolecop claim earlier. But, the above statements are contradictory, no? If Mulch is a rolecop, he would not have gotten a "Vanilla" result, it would have been "Vanilla Town" at most. Plus the "Vanilla result --> possible goon" points towards a flavour cop not a role cop. Right? Or am I being an idiot here.

[StefanB]

A Role Cop is an investigative role that receives the role name of its target. In Normal games, this is "Cop", "Doctor", "Roleblocker, and so forth. There is no indication of the target's alignment; if a Mafia Goon is investigated, they return "Vanilla", although a Godfather will return "Godfather".

Normal Guidelines

A Role Cop that returns only their target's full role name and not alignment is considered Normal on mafiascum.net. A Mafia Goon or a Serial Killer with no other abilities should give the same result as a Vanilla Townie. In the case of an X-Shot role, the Role Cop should be told how many shots the role started with. not how many shots used/remaining. Trying to investigate an Ascetic role should return "No Result", the same as if the Role Cop had been blocked.

This is from the wiki. So the result is not completly out of the question.
Your claimed role and Mulchs are pretty similar, what Fitz said before.

[Roy Tagliaferro]

Ah, stupidity on my part then. I don't think I ever played with a rolecop or at least I can't recall so. In this case yeah Mulch' claim is Valid most likely.