Mini 1993 - Earthbound Mafia: Giygas' Curse - GAME OVER

[Beefster]

If anything IB is the more likely scum.

[Iconeum]

If anything IB is the more likely scum.

What makes him more likely scum then math, from your perspective?

[Iconeum]

I love being scumread as any alignment

Inferno do you agree that some players have meta that makes them seem scummy regardless of alignment?

What is the goal of this question?

If a player made like 75% scummy sounding posts and 25% Townie sounding posts how would you define them?

What is the goal of this question?

Inferno:

I would define them as "not very good at playing mafia."

l0l

You are actually probably scum.

That's a pretty sure statement you make here. IB has posted quite a bit already. Make a case on him?

[BuJaber]

Inferno:

@BuJaber, mind if we call you BJ for simplification?.

I do mind. Please call me Bu or Buj. You can capitalize or not capitalize any letter you see fit. I'm used to these shortened versions.

As for why I called you scummy is because your tone seemed unnatural. It was as if someone is trying to talk in as neutral a way as they can. Only scum would feel the need to do so. I only called inferno scummy not james because james hadn't said anything yet at that point.

Your posts have since lost that toneless feel to them. You are now genuinenly frantic and nervous. So far I have to agree that your slot is looking like a very likely scum. Especially that math sounds almost exactly like he did when he replaced in the only game I've played with him. He loves over explaining. He can lose himself in the little things. But more importantly here he is just right about the semantics debate. So please put the whole what does 'scummy' thing to bed. People always have different interpretations of certain words or phrases in every game. Infer what each person means from context. You called him out on him calling you scummy but not calling you scum and he responded and explain what it means from his pov.
Not to mention that this discussion is pretty much what mafia is about. Town players scumhunt and generally don't care about themselves if town can win. They are therefore likely to appear scummy in some instances by saying things and not thinking about how they sound. PR's may also intentionally do scummy things to avoid being NK'd. As for scum they are trying to appear town but if they overdo it it starts to look fake. They also need to lynch tactically to ensure they can win. I can continue but I think the point is clear. There is a lot of overlap between what a town player would do and what a scum player would do. The game boils down to figuring out intentions behind actions.

If anything IB is the more likely scum.

What makes him more likely scum then math, from your perspective?

Very good question. This post is NAI. But your previous post has me slightly townleaning.

And math of course I'm townreading if that isn't clear.

I like my vote on I-B.


Pedit - yes icon yes. More good questions. I wanted to talk about the worst too.. I got distracted with the 'scummy' definition topic.

The worst seems to be posting just enough to look active and mainly NAI stuff. Scumlean.

[BuJaber]

Oh I forgot to mention that math replaced into a town slot in our only previous game together. ***

[the worst]

@Ico some of that I can answer, some of it I can't yet. I'll get back to you asap.

[the worst]

actually eeehhh

[Iconeum]

You seem nervous

[the worst]

ur a vry scary dragon Ico

[Iconeum]

VOTE: the worst

[the worst]

so early argument I wasn't crazy about the idea of scum!Inferno. it's really easy to see him doing scummy things but I was trying to gauge his actual motivation for getting involved in such a stupid semantic fight with such a confident player so early in the game.

it's actually shit being called scummy / scumread by someone as assertive as Math this early in the game. treat my questions as an attempt to poke and prod Inferno for some semblance of towniness.

[the worst]

tbh though by the end of the argument he feels so... phoney. like, he's clearly realised he's wrong but it feels like he's still going to win some moral high ground or something.

[the worst]

VOTE: the worst

[Iconeum]

tbh though by the end of the argument he feels so... phoney. like, he's clearly realised he's wrong but it feels like he's still going to win some moral high ground or something.

quote where you get this from plz


It's bad that I think your last post is your best, so far.

[the worst]

Do you disagree or just want to see my thinking?
I'm lazy

[Iconeum]

Indulge me

[the worst]

Phakeness incoming

everyone voting me is doing something anti-town because i am town

Inferno:

This I know is a fallacy, because it assumes you as town. I can't find the page on the wiki right now though, which is annoying.

I'm not the one with scemantics. You are using a word in a way that is misleading, and now calling me scummy because I've been misled.

This is proper sloppy arguing. He's no longer trying go make his case, he's going after sometbing math said hyperbolically and poking holes in it. When I called him out on ignoring the post he comes back with this

Inferno:

Give me a sec, Worst, I'll get to the post piece by piece.

Then obviously goes to reread, realises he's been arguing a bad point and ends on a weak semantic note asking "which definition" Math was using. I'm pretty sure it was abundantly obvious at this point what math was on about

Inferno:

Honestly though, there's not much else I can say about post #82 except that by Dino's definition, he would call those things scummy because they would get scumreads, but at the same time says that those actions are not scummy.
What definition are you using, exactly, Dino?

To me it seems obvious by this point he knows he's wrong. He's just going over semantic crap trying to save face.

[the worst]

I can whinge about nearly all of his posts if you want. Tbh I'm not sure if I don't like him cause he's scum trying to discredit obvtown reads or don't like him cause his debating skills suck and he's trying to wing it anyway.

[Iconeum]

I can whinge about nearly all of his posts if you want. Tbh I'm not sure if I don't like him cause he's scum trying to discredit obvtown reads or don't like him cause his debating skills suck and he's trying to wing it anyway.

It's not about what I want. It's about you scumreading him but being reluctant to push.

[the worst]

Fair critique.

[InfernoBrafin]

Brafin

: Looks like I have some catching up to do. Give me a sec and I'll see if I can make heads or tails of this stuff.

[acryon]

Edit: Long time no see Marangal, acryon
I don't think I've ever played on the same team as either of you?

Hey there Dino I think you are correct on that.

Alllssoooo

Real talk I am already not a fan of acronym.

That slot can legit get lynched

Yikes. I'm usually better with first impressions, but I admit I came on a little strong. Also I'm not "acronym".

I take Mathdino's side on the Math v. Inferno debate. In addition to being wrong, Inferno seems to be getting frustrated very quickly. This isn't necessarily a scumtell, but it does rub me the wrong way.

Icon feels like obvtown.

Gut says Math is town.

@Beefster:

I otherwise seem to like your posts, but this ends up feeling like convenient hedging for you:
1. "Leaning scum [on Mathdino]. His posts feel kinda IIOA-ish"
2. "[Math vs. Inferno is] probably not SvS, so I'm likely wrong on at least one of them. I need to wait and see how things develop.
3. "If anything IB is the more likely scum."

So are you more or less saying here you think Mathdino is likely town?

[Beefster]

If anything IB is the more likely scum.

What makes him more likely scum then math, from your perspective?

Just how they've been acting in general. IB looks very self-conscious to me.

Math looks confident and it's always kinda hard to read him at first.

[Beefster]

I otherwise seem to like your posts, but this ends up feeling like convenient hedging for you:
1. "Leaning scum [on Mathdino]. His posts feel kinda IIOA-ish"
2. "[Math vs. Inferno is] probably not SvS, so I'm likely wrong on at least one of them. I need to wait and see how things develop.
3. "If anything IB is the more likely scum."

So are you more or less saying here you think Mathdino is likely town?

If you want to take it that way, sure.

It's too early to tell.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Inferno: RUDE! I'm just approaching the game objectively! Skipping RVS like this and calling half of a hydra scummy is really dumb.
VOTE: BuJaber

Arguably dumb but how is it scummy?