Mini 1993 - Earthbound Mafia: Giygas' Curse - GAME OVER

[Gamma Emerald]

Votecount 1.11

(4) InfernoBrafin: acryon, BuJaber, MathDino, the worst
(1) acryon: Sing and Slay
(1) MathDino: TheGoldenParadox
(2) Beefster: Lil Uzi Vert, Iconeum
(2) BuJaber: Momrangal, InfernoBrafin
(1) Momrangal: Beefster

(2) Not voting: marshy, Kthxbye

(expired on 2018-03-07 11:30:00)

BuJaber has limited access until Saturday February 24th

Prodding Sing and Slay as the haven't posted for >48 hours

[Momrangal]

And instead of playing white knight, why don't you let the issue between me and Buju stay between me and Buju.

Answering his questions for him is getting him off the hook and is preventing me from forming a better read on that slot

[Beefster]

How is Buju any more or less low hanging fruit than IB?

Point taken.

Also my questions to dino was meant to specifically meant to help me get a handle on him as well as to pull him out of a run me and get him to think about the game logically like I know how he can do.

If he's town, it'll help him make better more informed reads and if he's scum he's forced to not ignore me because if he's scum he knows that I not gonna leave him alone until I am satisfied.

What's weird to me about your questions to MathDino is that it focused on what other players thought of the two of you rather than questionable actions.

[Beefster]

And instead of playing white knight, why don't you let the issue between me and Buju stay between me and Buju.

Answering his questions for him is getting him off the hook and is preventing me from forming a better read on that slot

Uhhmmm... How am I being a white night?

I'm pointing out that your case on BuJ is sketchy and that's why I find you suspicious. I'm not answering his questions for him.

[Momrangal]

If forcing direct interactions with me and attempting to make people think is active lurking then yes!
I absolutely am doing so.


But hey!

That's the furthest from active lurking and he's low key trying to discredit me instead of trying directly engaging me.

There is no reason for scum to be doing that

Not to mention that Omgus that he's trying to keep on the down low

To be clear, it has more to do with

what

questions you're asking and not so much

that

you're asking questions. Asking questions can be a good thing, but I don't really see how your questions are going to move the game forward.

Pretty sure you just came to his defense there

[Mathdino]

I mean i kinda scumread marangals defence but I've literally never seen a good defence from her

So w/e ignoring this for now

I can't get a lock on a read on BuJaber tbh

[Momrangal]

OOh

God, I need to get my players situated. I attributed some of your posts to Buju

[InfernoBrafin]

Inferno:

@Worst: Sorry, response times are going to be weird for me.
The point where I thought your response was off was posts #102 to #104. It feels like that you are avoiding answering Iconeum's question. But based on this more recent exchange, I see it as town oriented.
Also adding to that is that you are very intent in having an exchange with me, much more so than I think scum would. The way you've been pressing on me does not strike me as scum at all.

Matdino is fading more and more away as Brafin and I make more points. The last time I saw the "ignoring points" behavior was from scum, but I'm unsure whether that's the case here. It definitely pings me though.

@Worst again: What was the soft scumslip from Paradox?

Also, I want to point out that #193 is actually bannable.

I'm rethinking my read on Beef. While Mom's play hasn't been the best, I agree, calling questions active lurking this early seems a bit of a stretch.

@Bu, you've laid out D1 reads, sure, but those reads are very weak, and imo somewhat fabricated. I cannot believe that you have been scumreading me on "frantic and nervous" tone this entire time, for example, but tha't's the strongest. None of your reads seem very committed at all.

P-edit:

I agree that Beefster is somewhat white knighty, but I can't tell if that's just playstyle or not.

[InfernoBrafin]

Brafin:

I'd like to put out and explain my scumreads, since it feels to me that the game has slowed down. Sometimes these help generate new conversation.

Mathdino:
For the most part, this slot feels sort of town to me. But the whole semantics thing has me kind of uncomfortable, and here's why. Math claims that his definition of scummy is not the same as scum-indicative, but whenever Inferno or I pointed out that something was scummy, even before either one of us scumread him, he treated it like it was. How can he both say that the word scummy isn't the same as scum-indicative when he uses it on others, but it is whenever anyone else uses it on him? It's super inconsistent, and I can't see any townie double-thinking that hard ever. If this weren't the case, I probably would town read him.

Beef:
There's a few things that pings me on Beef.
1) He makes a semi-serious vote, and then takes and obvious RVS vote seriously. That doesn't make any sense to me; he's foregone RVS and then interacts with RVS?
2) His next few posts are weird. He reads us as kind of scummy, MD as kind of scummy, but then says that it's probably not SvS. Then he says that it's probably us because "Math is hard to read at first." Didn't he just read Math?
3) Then he admits that he might be misreading us and does a complete 180 on another player without giving reason, and then OMGUS votes the first person that points it out.
4) He's done little actual scumhunting, just made general statements and kind of skirted issues as they've arisen.
By themselves, they're not much, but together it feels to me like he's scum. But I wouldn't put Math and Beef together as a scumteam. Beef has been super agressive to Math, while Math has just ignored it for the most part. I don't see scum doing that.

More on my third in a bit.

[Mathdino]

Also, I want to point out that #193 is actually bannable.

That's not true at all
Obviously if he's scum he knows I'm town
Go look up how trust tells really work
People say that exact line all the time

[Momrangal]

P-edit: I agree that Beefster is somewhat white knighty, but I can't tell if that's just playstyle or not.

I recant the statement. I thought the active lurking comment came from Buju

[Momrangal]

@all: Who has played with the worst before? I need a sounding board to read him better.

Okay right now I'm feeling IB, mom, one of {sing, LUV, kthx, whoever marshy is supposed to be, alban} as scum.

The worst, acryon, beef are null.

Math, icon, paradox town.

Reasons for IB mentioned before, reasons for mom is because he seems to be coming in with theories first then reading and if I'm honest with myself I didn't like how he accused me. The rest because statistics - too many lurkers - and I didn't want to put them in null list because null list for me is for later analysis as those 3 people seem hard to read and I need more. I want to try and sort the scumlist as soon as possible.

I think that's everyone.

@kthx - sorry to hear that. I wish you and your family strength and patience.

The game opened up on the 21st at 11:25 AM.

Hello! It is I, InfernoBrafin, that incredible merging of an Inferno390 and a James Brafin!
VOTE: LUV

First post of the game.

Yes there is a lot to react to and calling out lurkers now now would be an ok think to maybe do but the game had just gotten out of RVS and there was like one maybe two things to react to.

Why is it insane to believe that there are 5 people who hadn't posted in a >48 hr time frame

[Momrangal]

Ugh no time stamps.

First quote was on the 23 at 4:39 AM

Second quote, first post in the game was on the 21st 11:25 AM

[InfernoBrafin]

Also, I want to point out that #193 is actually bannable.

That's not true at all
Obviously if he's scum he knows I'm town
Go look up how trust tells really work
People say that exact line all the time

Inferno:

"Do not bring outside influences into the game -

this includes threats, bribes, wagers, promises, "trust tells", alliances, etc.

Using knowledge from previous games is perfectly acceptable, but try not to carry grudges from one game to another."

From the site rules.

[Beefster]

Brafin:

I'd like to put out and explain my scumreads, since it feels to me that the game has slowed down. Sometimes these help generate new conversation.

Mathdino:
For the most part, this slot feels sort of town to me. But the whole semantics thing has me kind of uncomfortable, and here's why. Math claims that his definition of scummy is not the same as scum-indicative, but whenever Inferno or I pointed out that something was scummy, even before either one of us scumread him, he treated it like it was. How can he both say that the word scummy isn't the same as scum-indicative when he uses it on others, but it is whenever anyone else uses it on him? It's super inconsistent, and I can't see any townie double-thinking that hard ever. If this weren't the case, I probably would town read him.

Beef:
There's a few things that pings me on Beef.
1) He makes a semi-serious vote, and then takes and obvious RVS vote seriously. That doesn't make any sense to me; he's foregone RVS and then interacts with RVS?
2) His next few posts are weird. He reads us as kind of scummy, MD as kind of scummy, but then says that it's probably not SvS. Then he says that it's probably us because "Math is hard to read at first." Didn't he just read Math?
3) Then he admits that he might be misreading us and does a complete 180 on another player without giving reason, and then OMGUS votes the first person that points it out.
4) He's done little actual scumhunting, just made general statements and kind of skirted issues as they've arisen.
By themselves, they're not much, but together it feels to me like he's scum. But I wouldn't put Math and Beef together as a scumteam. Beef has been super agressive to Math, while Math has just ignored it for the most part. I don't see scum doing that.

More on my third in a bit.

This post confuses me. So I'm scum because I changed my mind a bunch? I'm just trying to make sense of the game. And you know what? Math is looking sorta kinda scummy again. I don't know how to read him. But at this point any scum read on him would be a meta read that I can't explain to save my life. So I'll just give him the botd and put him in the "deal with later" bin and focus on other players I find questionable and/or confusing.

You also wouldn't put me and Math in a scumteam together, yet you think we're both scum?

[Mathdino]

Also, I want to point out that #193 is actually bannable.

That's not true at all
Obviously if he's scum he knows I'm town
Go look up how trust tells really work
People say that exact line all the time

Inferno:

"Do not bring outside influences into the game -

this includes threats, bribes, wagers, promises, "trust tells", alliances, etc.

Using knowledge from previous games is perfectly acceptable, but try not to carry grudges from one game to another."

From the site rules.

no one actually leaves the site over this
some of the most experienced players here say this shit all the time
what's the purpose of pointing this out dude

[Gamma Emerald]

marshy has requested replacement.
Edit: Not_Mafia replaces marshy.

[Not_Mafia]

PK FFFIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIRRRREE

[Beefster]

Ness took mortal damage.
Ness ate some

Steak

and recovered 237 HP.

[Mathdino]

VOTE: Not_Mafia

i'm so salty

[Beefster]

Is that a policy lynch?

[Mathdino]

it's at the very least a policy wagon

i'm not sure if i'd be willing to straight up lynch him right away

i'd say it's 40% policy 40% reaction/pressure 20% memes

[BuJaber]

Yes there is a lot to react to and calling out lurkers now now would be an ok think to maybe do but the game had just gotten out of RVS and there was like one maybe two things to react to.

Why is it insane to believe that there are 5 people who hadn't posted in a >48 hr time frame

So me calling out people for not posting is wrong, but it's perfectly fine for people to say I'm not doing anything useful?

I see

Pot calling the kettle black.

IB of course completely ignored half of my case on them even when they asked me about it and I explained it again. I don't know what I want more. For you to be town and realize that you don't have a clue how to play with fellow townies or for you to be scum so at least it makes sense what you're doing.


Can we lynch either IB or Mom? scum have nobody to go after so they're focusing on me. They know they can't go after someone else. I had an early wagon on me and nobody is townreading me strongly so I'm a good scum target.

Frigging hilarious this. I get called out for not scumhunting in the only game where I am clearly the one doing most of the work. You guys realize post count is not an indication of how much a player is contributing right?

It kinda makes sense to soft-defend lurkers if you are scumpartners with one or more of them.
SO I'm pretty confident there are 2 scum in {IB, Mom, NM, LUV, Sing, acryon, (and paradox though less likely since I'm TR'ing him at the moment)}

If there is a 3rd scum that would be pretty difficult to figure out but if that were the case I'd have to reconsider all my townreads. Though a 3rd scum probably isn't likely because it seems risky to defend a lurking scum partner if you have another one also in the game. Unless of course the game is as easy as it seems and both IB and mom are scum, that leaves one of the lurkers as their final partner. At least that theory would explain why they haven't gone after each other or disagreed. IB agree that mom is confusing, and that asking questions could be scummy but they low-key defend mom early on.

Can one of you just bus the other one so it's easier?

[Beefster]

Regarding Not_Mafia: I say wait until he makes a few posts. I think I'm starting to get a feel for his low-content style. Though tbf, I haven't seen him flip. He just doesn't give you much to work with.

[BuJaber]

Regarding IB: Like you asked the question of why I found you scummy, and then Dino is the one that responds not you. You obviously will argue that your neutral tone at start isn't AI and that would be fine, we'll argue back and forth. It's not even hard evidence so I am actually open to changing my mind contrary to what you seem to think. However you didn't do that. You just up and ignored it and went back to frantic and nervous. Which btw you can totally be both. A person can be nervous about getting caught so they frantically try to come up with a way to explain themselves out of a jam.


pedit - NM replaced into a lurker slot. I have no reads on him either way. I'm just drawing conclusions based on my belief that mom or IB or both are scum.