Mini Normal 1988 (Endgame)

[Christopher]

Legitimately the reads today are based on you lot not understanding the difference between your/you’re and whose/who’s.

This is a bit silly, tbh.

This is so bad, ouch.
The votes are based on process of elimination. (From my point of view for example Mulch, Sep: Confirmed town; Nero,Fitz: Townreads; Christopher, Lal: Not townreads, players left) and your play.

You aren't attacked for your grammer. The attacked post fit in a pattern shown in Post 1109 from Fitz.
You are attacked for what you do or don't in this game.

If you still believe that Neros 1140 is about grammar ouch. It is about wordchoice. You used anti-town, which has a different meaning than scum.
(For an example of antitown: Mulchs 1152,1153 is calling out suspected anti-townbehavior than he believes is done from town) The question is is that a slip?

So as a defence Christopher is confirming that he doesn't seem to read and understand the game, tryes to use emotion and continues to not helping.

Again, antitown is a preference. My read on you as antitown and scum are the same thing, but not all antitown equals scum when there is a stronger scumread on someone.

I read you as scum/antitown or whatever you want to call it.

The fact that we’re moving past your Lynch the PR strategy doesn’t bode well for us tomorrow.

[Mulch]

UNVOTE: chris

Want to check a couple things

[StefanB]

Somethink I should have checked ages ago

Thanks for grouping me with two lurkers but these posts are at keast helpful. Can everyone also post something like this.. more importantly who are you willing to vote for today?

For me it's

arch/roy

Leeoon(Christopher)/paradox(Mulch) as secondary options

Strong town reads:

moz

, havingfitz (chumba slot - hf himself is null so far), nero.

Probably town but no strong basis for this: lalendra,

seph

This were BuJabers reads. when he gave them. (Day 2) Normally one scum is hidden in the secondary scumreads, which indicates Christopher.
Lalendra the only living player in the unconfirmed that BuJaber ever voted is in the probably townlist.
Nero is a player BuJaber is budying up to the whole game.

Yes I know my slot is missing. It is the only one.

[havingfitz]

Nero and Seph...what are you guys' thoughts?

[Not Known 15]

Vote Count 4.2

Sephiroth(0)

StefanB(1) Christopher,

Christopher(2) StefanB, Lalendra,

havingfitz(0)

Nero Cain(0)

Lalendra(0)

Mulch(0)

No Lynch(0)

Not Voting(4): Sephiroth, Mulch, Nero Cain, havingfitz,

With 7 alive it is 4 to lynch.

Day 4 ends in (expired on 2018-03-03 02:33:00) or when a lynch is achieved

[havingfitz]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=74021

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=74451

I feel like Lalendra's play in these games are night and day compared to here. 2nd opinion?

Nero: I am a bit late, but why did you link to a towngame and a scumgame from Lalendra?

Nero..what was your point? Are those two games similar to you? Do you see a difference between them?

[Christopher]

Haven’t been a fan of Lalendra for the same reason why I didn’t trust Sephi from the off: sheeting without providing reads, and lack of scumhunting/protown posts.

[havingfitz]

What are your reads Christopher?

Stefan, for wanting to vote Mulch, and LaLendra?

Are you confident Mulch is town?

[Mulch]

VOTE: Christopher

Alrightw e should wbe good

[havingfitz]

VOTE: Christopher

Alrightw e should wbe good

What did you check?

[Mulch]

Nothing, i decided not to

[havingfitz]

Nothing, i decided not to

If you're nk'd...what are your reads?

[Mulch]

I'm not confident enough in my reads to give some before I die. It will have to be up to you

[StefanB]

I did some rereading yesterday, because I got a paranoia fealing, what if Lal/Nero is the scumpair. But the BuJaber/Nerointeraction doesn't look like scumpartners one bit. It looks like BuJaber buddying up to a townplayer. In this he falled badly and tryed to influence that townplayer in other ways.

There is nothing in Christophers iso that gives me pause. My most positive read on him was on the end of day 2:
Lurkerslot, not much content from the new player, but he is perhaps not caught up, has recently replaced in.
Is a newbie with a conservative playstile. Can't say if newbietown or newbiescum.
Post on day 3 and day 4 did point to newbiescum.

There is one point in Leeooniso that gives me pause. He voted BuJaber on early day 1 and stayed there some time.
But he stopped posting very early on day 1 and at that moment there were 2 votes on Bu: His and Archwing. Could be distancing.
The waggon got a lot of steam and than just got ignored in about 8 hours.
In his next post after the waggon had shrunk to 3 votes he switched to Roy quitly. (Who was just getting steam)
Since Mulch is in the only other slot stil alive there is unfortunatly not much info on this waggon.

[Nero Cain]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=74021

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=74451

I feel like Lalendra's play in these games are night and day compared to here. 2nd opinion?

Nero: I am a bit late, but why did you link to a towngame and a scumgame from Lalendra?

Nero..what was your point? Are those two games similar to you? Do you see a difference between them?

It was partially me being stupid. I had posted the other day phase about scum reading Lalenda b/c her posts/play in this game and her other games (I ended up skimming her last 2 or 3 games) were like night and day (I think those were my exact words.). I was under the impression all the games that I read were town when I posted that and was still under that impression when I posted the links today. Part of it is my fault but part of it is the shitty mods fault for not updating the op.

[Nero Cain]

I'm suspicious of any reads this early on tbh, this still feels like RVS to me.

Well, there's also this. Does Lal blanket discredit/light defend both Roy and Leeoon b/c they are both town or b/c Roy was town and Leeoon was scum? Or is Lal not scum?

[Nero Cain]

If at least one of Lalendra/Christopher is scum we can afford to lynch them both.

like this kinda made me twitch a little. And would make sense if it was like a Lal/Fitz team as opposed to a Lal/Chris team.

[StefanB]

What I am sure of today is that I want one of these 4 lynched and nobody else at the moment:
Roy, Leoon(=Christopher), Arch, Stefan.

If you believe that BuJaber had scum in his lynchpool, it should be between me and Christopher. And since I know I am town...

Interesting the switch between the earlier post and this. Mulch townreads BuJaber he is no longer in the lynch/scumpool.
My reread wasn't that helpful. It just found another reason for townreading Mulch (Yes I found another reason to townread confirmed town)
TheGoldenParadox voted BuJaber basicly the whole game.

Pre-Edit:
Nero: Do you have anything that points to a Lal/Fitzteam, or do you have anything that points to Fitzscum at all?
Because Fitz looks from my point like towniest town. I find more and more reason for Christopherscum and if Christopher/Lal is not the scumteam that would suck.

[Nero Cain]

based on sheer #'s alone he's more likely to be town, sure. I think its just as equally possible that he's scum that got caught and is using the "BUT IT WAS A GAMBIT!" excuse.

Unlikely, because that's a weak excuse.

like I could see this as scum that defends Roy for town cred.

The scummiest thing from Chris is, IMO, is that his use of calling you anti-town. Yeah, maybe its a slip.

Nero: Do you have anything that points to a Lal/Fitzteam, or do you have anything that points to Fitzscum at all?

not really but I'll ISO him.

[StefanB]

Mulch, Sephiroth:
This is perhaps insanity, but you are in agreement that a Fitz/Nero/Bujaberscumteam doesn't make sense, right?

My problem is that if the scumteam isn't Christopher/Lal, there has to be a scumteam with one of them off. Now I think about what if Lal isn't scum, but paranoia over scumtems builds an alternative with Lal.

[Nero Cain]

Chumba seems p null. Its WIOFMY NKA (so take with a large dose of salt) but Luca dies N1 after pushing him. Fitz opening seems a little

IIOA

y at times. He first gives Mulch alot of shit for targeting Bu. 935, 956, 969. I guess you could look at it as he just really didn't like Mulch (which is not hard to do btw) but you could also look at it as chainsaw defending his buddy. And when the guilty hits he kinda stalls on the Bu wagon 1019, 1024, 1029. 1067 is kinda rolefishing.

So kinda has a clear link with dead scum.

Why were you hard town reading him?

[StefanB]

I townread Fitz because his post make a lot of sense. I can see were he is coming from and all this points to Fitz is town.
About the Bu-Fitzconection I will not comment. Except 935 is clearly a typo, this is a Roypost.

[Nero Cain]

Why would you not comment?

[Nero Cain]

Except 935 is clearly a typo, this is a Roypost.

correct should be 953.

[Nero Cain]

Chumba seems p null. Its WIOFMY NKA (so take with a large dose of salt) but Luca dies N1 after pushing him. Fitz opening seems a little

IIOA

y at times. He first gives Mulch alot of shit for targeting Bu. 953, 956, 969. I guess you could look at it as he just really didn't like Mulch (which is not hard to do btw) but you could also look at it as chainsaw defending his buddy. And when the guilty hits he kinda stalls on the Bu wagon 1019, 1024, 1029. 1067 is kinda rolefishing.

So kinda has a clear link with dead scum.