Mini 1993 - Earthbound Mafia: Giygas' Curse - GAME OVER

[Carrot and Stick]

i'm finally understanding why people have en masse called mastina's playstyle anti-town
she pops on for however long and is always in catchup mode
which derails the conversation onto her posts... only for her to wait to catch up and do it all again

Oh hey this is once more indicating that you already think me to be town and yet works as shade for my slot.

and yes, i'm entirely self-aware of the fact that i'm doubling down on being willing to lynch most players in this game

Hmm...who was it who said that one thing I'm thinking of...ah yes! Now I remember!

I disagree that self awareness nullifies the scumminess of actions

[Carrot and Stick]

failing to recognise that some of the things she's pointed out are actually conscious choices in how i play in order to maximise gains from talking to others (and also to be more charismatic)

Hey wait a sec.
Now you're saying that the calculator things I'm seeing from you ARE intentional?
Then what happened to this?

Anyway point is your take on my play (especially my D1 play) being like a calculator is really not accurate as of me coming back (which is why I figured you thought I was Mathblade). Like, yeah I turn into a calculator when the playercount goes down (you should see me in micros) but D1 of minis I mostly play off gut.

I've also gotten a lot more confident lately (which is helped by a few towngames where I was basically right for all of D1), and either people are around to rein me in, or they're not.

When I push early wagons, I expect that others will weigh in. I'm glad you disagree on the IB read, because we can actually talk about it (instead of me and IB shouting at each other for pages on end). I can easily get locked in tunnels in "sub-par towns".

I'm not glad that you chose to just call IB obvtown and base your read on me around that, though. So it would be pretty nice if you explained why IB is obvtown.

...Where you said you don't have them?

[Mathdino]

There was no PR claim. Stop insinuating that.

You 'promised' me those reads? I don't even remember reading that in this clusterfuck. I read the playerlist just now and I can't even recall a single post from half those players!
Why would I even give you shit if I did remember? You're being sandwiched between a hammer and anvil.

fp'd by carrot twice or smth

On this site, unless you have your head completely lodged up your own ass, saying "I'm never getting lynched even if I mislynch 2 or 3 people in a row" is a soft PR claim. I can link you to literature on this, and I'd understand if you don't see it. Beefster actually outright said "I'm never getting lynched" once in a Newbie and was immediately outed as cop. VTs just don't say shit like that.

I just want someone to hold me accountable to talk about things other than getting into slapfights with IB and mastina tbh.

So no sell on the "completely ignore mastina and do something else" idea?

[Iconeum]

It would be interesting to see you make a case on acryon, MD.

[Iconeum]

't would also be lovely if you got some breathing room to do that, as well.

[Iconeum]

@Almost50, what do you think about carrot's read on MD? You had him as (top?)town.

[Mathdino]

1. I'm actually in the process of casing acryon, and it's going pretty well. I'm not totally sure it's a scumcase yet, but I think it's shaping up to be a scumleancase, pending meta review and clarification of his earlier posts.

2. "Breathing room" in forum mafia is a choice. If I choose to spend all my time answering mastina's 5 billion points against me, then yeah, I have no breathing room.
I'm saying that I can just create that room for myself by ignoring all of it and doing something else. And I'm asking you to be my accountability partner in doing so.

[Carrot and Stick]

you at no point have talked to me as if i'm town to try to actually change my reads or my play for the better this game
that is the definition of a tunnel

Of course I'm not talking to my strongest scumread as if they were town, that's what scum do. I've given you plenty of what I'd do if you were town though and you continue to pretend that content is nonexistent.

Just because you being town doesn't mean I do anything different doesn't mean the content is nonexistent or that you can call it a tunnel. A tunnel is REFUSING to give the idea of you being town or having everything reliant on it. I have not and I do not. I've given it--nothing changes because my reads don't rely on you being scum. Your townflip gives me nothing new; your scumflip gives me nothing new; I am assuming the latter is what I am working with because that is my read but I have been rather unambiguous.

you can't explain why my IB read is wrong but you're willing to devote pages upon pages of unreadable walls trying to convince me i'm scum?

Nope! I'm not talking to you in those walls, I'm talking to the rest of the town. You may note that I may often start addressing you in second person and then shift, transitioning into talking about you in the third person. Because you're not my audience. Other players are.

I do occasionally talk to scumreads, at least in part because I am naturally verbose and I can't shut up even if I try. But usually this is more of side-chatter rather than a central focus point.

Also I did in fact do the best I could to explain my read; what I

haven't

seen is an actual explanation for a scumread when everything stated is instead ranting about "idiot town" with the scumread there as an afterthought.

[Iconeum]

The problem I have right now is that I find a lot of what Carrot is posting, makes sense. I don't agree about MD, but I can see scum in acryon.
And I still hate the way carrot's going on about it. Let's just say I have a problem with that big ass ego. It's anti-town because you won't create a strong town core acting like that, even if you are right.

MD, why do you need someone to hold you accountable for anything? If you are town, that should be motivation enough to do the scumhunting. Like you said, it's your own choice.

[Mathdino]

Of course I'm not talking to my strongest scumread as if they were town, that's what scum do. I've given you plenty of what I'd do if you were town though and you continue to pretend that content is nonexistent.

This is a fundamental difference between my own and mastina's play that I think leads to most people perceiving me as having more charisma, while some people (like mastina) try to nail me on apparent inconsistency.

Just something to keep in mind.

[Carrot and Stick]

2. my plan is to improvise after you're dead

Yep! Which is how any town player should play, because towns don't know for sure what will happen.

SCUM have plans.
SCUM know what they will do far in advance.
Town players can't. They can say they do, but they can't. Not really. They can try in some occasions but because they don't know what information comes up they can't give guarantees.

One of my main issues with your play is that you

have

been making those plans. On D1. The very last day that town make plans on. And which you yourself said you don't make plans on.

[Mathdino]

The problem I have right now is that I find a lot of what Carrot is posting, makes sense. I don't agree about MD, but I can see scum in acryon.
And I still hate the way carrot's going on about it. Let's just say I have a problem with that big ass ego. It's anti-town because you won't create a strong town core acting like that, even if you are right.

MD, why do you need someone to hold you accountable for anything? If you are town, that should be motivation enough to do the scumhunting. Like you said, it's your own choice.

1. mastina ALWAYS makes sense. I'm sure she can give you rants herself about how she writes things that make perfect sense when she's scum, town, right, wrong, even when she's critiquing musical genres in her damn GTKAS.
It's a frustrating aspect to deal with regardless of her alignment because on one hand you're like "okay your words are all nice looking and things seem reasonable" but then on a holistic level you're like "but holy shit you're so wrong though".
Like I literally had to deal with this frustration reading OPINION ARTICLES by her that I disagreed with outside of mafia games

2. I agree that it's anti-town. See the fundamental difference in playstyle. I think acting like that makes it more of a self-centred game.

3. I'm an extravert.
Like, that's about it.
I make study groups because I like other people holding me accountable for things, lol.

Regardless, the accountability partners solution is also a way for us to not end up outing a PR claim on D1. 90% of me has wanted to vote mastina or respond in another wall over these past few pages. It helps if I know that other players explicitly would prefer I not respond.

[Iconeum]

Momrangel, what about following up on your scumread on acronym from early game?

[Iconeum]

Carrot, seeing how sure you are about your reads, you are still willing to lynch acryon over MD on D1?

[Carrot and Stick]

'Lynch player x whom I read as scum, but he could def flip town but that's ok I take full responsibility for it'.

Except I was rather explicit.
There's probabilities, plausibilities, and possibilities.
Mathdino COULD flip town--it's a possibility, yes.

It is not a probability.
It's not even a plausibility.
It is an incredible extreme improbability.

I read Mathdino as scum.
It is a fact, FACT. That he COULD flip town.
It is also a fact. That I don't think he will. (Or if not then it's a fact that I've been as explicit as is possible that I've stated such.)
The two do not contradict because they are both true.

I really don't get how this is hard to understand. It's self-explanatory.

'Oh yeah, I also will not look at his reads even IF he flips town because fuck it I'm awesome'.

Oh I will.
Just not on D2.
Because I don't trust his D1 reads to give me scum on D2.

I do trust them to give me scum on D3.

This really isn't that difficult.

'And oh yeah, I'll even mislynch a second time without hesitation and IF i'm wrong, well MAYYYYBE i'll re-investigate'.

That's not what I said?

I said that after mislynching a FIRST time, then "well MAYYYYBE i'll re-investigate" as you put it.

After mislynching a SECOND time, then I am

guaranteed

to reinvestigate. Not maybe. Not could. WILL. Guaranteed. 100% if I am alive by that point in the game. Relook, reconsider, reevaluate, rethink, reread, redo, everything.

The two should not be conflated.

'You guys won't lynch me even after I lead this town to multiple mislynches BECAUSE YOU NEED ME'.

You won't lynch me mostly because I'll have lynched 1-2 scum but in the worst-case scenario where I don't, you won't lynch me because there's a chance I'll be the nightkill even though it's not the plan and in the case where I am both alive and without having lynched scum you won't lynch me simply because you won't lynch me. There's no "you need me" there. It's just a fact. I am not getting lynched this game. Simple as that.

[Carrot and Stick]

There was no PR claim. Stop insinuating that.

Correct. There was only a statement of a fact that I will not be lynched this game. I make those statements often. (Probably as both alignments.) They're never wrong, mind you. When I say it I am always right about it. But a statement of "I will not be lynched this game" is not a PR claim. It is a statement of a fact.

People are free to insinuate I'm a PR if they'd like, I guess. Won't stop them. But they do so at their own discretion since I am explicitly saying that I'd say the same thing regardless of role if in fact it was an accurate statement. And this game it is. I know for a fact I will not be lynched this game. Nothing more than that, but also nothing less.

[Mathdino]

Oh okay cool. I expected a "no comment".

VOTE: Carrot

[Iconeum]

You'll do a whole lot better if you drop the MD lynch on D1. I'm sure you will convince more players to follow your MD lead if you are right about the others.
There's not enough common ground with the rest of us for your case on MD to get an actual lynch on D1. Not saying it's a waste of time, but maybe your effort is currently best used elsewhere.

So we come to acryon (common ground).

And now I'm holding both MD and Carrot responsible here:

What is best for town? This discussion, or finding a more suitable wagon?

[Carrot and Stick]

VTs just don't say shit like that.

I mean feel free to think that if you'd like but you're failing to account for this being mastina.

The problem I have right now is that I find a lot of what Carrot is posting, makes sense. I don't agree about MD, but I can see scum in acryon.
And I still hate the way carrot's going on about it. Let's just say I have a problem with that big ass ego. It's anti-town because you won't create a strong town core acting like that, even if you are right.

Hey remember what I said about BuJaber?

BuJaber's methodology is such that he is not one making friends; everything he does is antagonizing people. That's easy for less-experienced/skilled players to misinterpret as scum, but it's quite the opposite.

Guess how I know this is a town style in the first place?

I am an

ass

as town. If I'm nice, I'm scum. Simple as that, really, because as scum I need to make friends for the long-game but as town my goal is one thing and one thing only: lynching scum.

I am not here to make friends.
I am not here to be nice.
I am here to find and lynch scum.

[Carrot and Stick]

MD, why do you need someone to hold you accountable for anything? If you are town, that should be motivation enough to do the scumhunting. Like you said, it's your own choice.

Also it should not surprise you that my answer to this is "because he's scum".

[Carrot and Stick]

Carrot, seeing how sure you are about your reads, you are still willing to lynch acryon over MD on D1?

Absolutely, yes. Almost moved my vote there when you did earlier.

VOTE: acryon.

[Carrot and Stick]

What is best for town? This discussion, or finding a more suitable wagon?

Wagon which mind you is why I was talking to others about Mathdino and acryon in the first place.

[Carrot and Stick]

Anyway I am literally two hours overdue for bed (I'm getting four hours of sleep for what will be a 14+ hour day of continuous work), so I need sleep.
Will chat with Assembler when I can set a discord account up for use (mod asked, Assembler said either, mod gave discord but mod didn't ask me so I didn't get to say that discord is less convenient so Assembler may have talked to me already and I've been entirely unaware of it because I need to set discord up).

[BuJaber]

Why is day 1 still not over?

Can someone answer me this?

@MD, icon, IB, mastina, TW - Most of your scumreads are active players. How have a scum team of mostly active players not managed to close this day?


I need to do a reread but I am strongly suspecting Beef, mom and kthxbye slot. I need to reread Beef specifically but if I remember correctly he has been fence sitting all game.

My spidey sense is telling me something is off with the way mastina is townreading me. It feels like buddying. Mastina you haven't once interacted directly with me. But again I suspect carrot v MD is TvT yet again. Also because she fucking nails it with all her posts about me. But I'll add that I like to consider myself a student of the game. I am interested in playing the game the best way possible that suits my personality more than I am interested in winning. So If I lose along the way for doing things I haven't done before it is a positive overall outcome. Plus VT is my favorite role so that should give you an insight into my personality. Favorite roles tell you a lot about a person imo.


And btw your explanation of why we won't lynch you makes no sense. "You won't lynch me for mislynching twice because I am more likely to lynch 1 or 2 scum" huh?


@mod - please please please update the OP with the replacements.

[Mathdino]

Alright here we go.

I didn't realise acryon's ISO was so short tbh.

To be clear, none of this is required reading. It's bookkeeping for me, and performance art if you actually want to go through it. Required reading after the jump...

Spoiler: A Post by Post Lolcase With An As Of Yet Unknown Conclusion

VOTE: InfernoBrafin
Don't like Hydrae. Offer reads with no accountability because "the other head did it".

I've already explained why I'm not scumreading this. I think the tells I use to sort people work for me, so I'm not going to get bogged down in mafia theory with A50/mastina over this. I'll scumread this if/when it flips scum.

You don't understand how hydras work.

Or maybe the hydras I've played with in the past didn't understand, if that's my experience?

Appreciate the clear representation from both hydras so far though

This at the very least indicates that acryon isn't faking disliking hydrae (contrary to some views I've seen around here). NAI, but genuine.

Brafin: I find the whole "I don't like hydras" thing fishy. That seems really biased against hydras, and a great, scummy way for a non-hydra to say "He's scummy because he's not accounting for the other hydra."
Inferno, I'd like to shift our vote to acryon.

That's fair. Although if you look at some of my older games with hydra (only a couple), you'll see a similar sentiment there. I've just had bad experiences playing with hydras because they became lynchbait because the heads had conflicting opinions.

Tbh this should actually indicate that his entire entrance was NAI. His self-awareness and apparent pride in his self-awareness means that the entrance was basically automatic -- he came in and voted a hydra.
I think I could actually argue that acryon/IB aren't scum together from this. It doesn't seem like scum distancing. But other than that, still nothing on acryon's alignment.

[acronym] can legit get lynched

Yikes. I'm usually better with first impressions, but I admit I came on a little strong. Also I'm not "acronym".

Need to go check meta for conviction in acryon's early D1 games.

I take Mathdino's side on the Math v. Inferno debate. In addition to being wrong, Inferno seems to be getting frustrated very quickly. This isn't necessarily a scumtell, but it does rub me the wrong way.

Icon feels like obvtown.

Gut says Math is town.

@Beefster:

I otherwise seem to like your posts, but this ends up feeling like convenient hedging for you:
1. "Leaning scum [on Mathdino]. His posts feel kinda IIOA-ish"
2. "[Math vs. Inferno is] probably not SvS, so I'm likely wrong on at least one of them. I need to wait and see how things develop.
3. "If anything IB is the more likely scum."

So are you more or less saying here you think Mathdino is likely town?

Throwing shade at IB without taking a side... I'm honestly slightly townleaning this for the same reason I'm townleaning Beefster. It would be real easy right now for acryon to double down and be like "Yeah so the guy I'm voting is digging himself into a ditch, he's probably actually scum". TW did that. But instead he's cautioning that some of IB's behaviour isn't actually a scumtell.
So gut says town on that play, but I can try to nullify that tell as well by checking his nuance in his meta.

Gutreading me as town is a common scum play. Slight ping there.

I don't like the push on Beefster. It seems like middle-hanging fruit. Go after a good player with a scummy playstyle instead of a bad player who gets scumread by everyone. Makes you look like you're doing something. Beefster's trajectory is consistent with town there. Need to talk this over with acryon.

VOTE: Bujaber

This is a serious vote, and I think this slot should actually get lynched. It feels like he's decided to just piggy back on the hottest topic atm. Possibly to look like he's being active?

It does feel a bit like that. However, the big paragraph to me pings as town-effort. Not that quantity = town, but I feel like we'd see the effort portrayed differently if he were just trying to get credit for activity.

This is honestly just not a really strong or interesting point. It reads as someone who has knowledge of alignments.

@All

: Given that LUV is engaging with players and asking fair questions, I feel like I should be townreading him, but I'm really not. A lot of it seems like it could be scum going through the motions. Comfortable with votes on LUV if you don't like the IB push.

FWIW I get what you're saying here, but I think the posts have too much merit for me to disregard them for gut right now.

Throwing me a bone but also not adding anything to that conversation. I don't think my read on LUV was totally gut there.

But then, if you look at Iconeum's enterance and how he interacts with Beefster, it doesn't work as a TvS interaction. The back and forth is too strong for a TvS to make sense. So it'd either be TvT or SvS. And if Iconeum is obvtown, Beefster also has to be town.

This is pretty interesting because as I said I also think Icon is obtown, but I'm not sure I buy that it can't be TvS.

Okay this is really bad. Gonna round up questions on acryon's posts later on.

VOTE: Beefster

You can be town now, the worst

@Inferno: Ok, how does this vote change your perspective on that situation? Do you still think it's TvT?

Softball. Like, pushing people to update their reads is all well and good but if you're not contributing your own thoughts on things...

The worst, acryon, beef are null.

It's interesting you have the worst as null. I feel like he's been one of the most polarizing players so far this game. Are there certain posts that are making you feel one way or the other?

Also why paradox town? Gut?

A good question that would likely lead to an answer that would help the gamestate.

@acyron: I still think it could be TvT. Town has the ability to scumread other town members. That's not unheard of. I still think that the entrance exchange just wasn't was too realistic to be scum.
I'm a little confused by this question; it seems to be looking to put me in a hole that isn't there.

I was interested to see what would make you think that Icon vs. Beefster was specifically TvT and not TvS, especially since you didn't necessarily have a townread on Beefster specifically.

ok same thing as before, lol at IB not understanding the question though

Inferno:

wut
the heck
Brafin, you're gathering information on your own partner's read?
I do not agree on Beef.

Question, and this goes back to my (no pun-intended) beef with hydras. How is anyone expected to read your slot if you are offering up conflicting reads that we can't call scummy because they came from two different people?

This is mafia theory discussion. Intelligence-indicative, but not alignment-indicative.

I'm starting to get really concerned.

Why is two people having conflicting reads scummy?

That's exactly my point. Two people having conflicting reads is not scummy. If

one

person had conflicting reads, we can question that slot because that's fairly scummy. In your case, because you are two people, we can't question that, making you more or less unreadable because we don't know what your slot really believes.

A useless conversation to be having.

And trust me, I am not interested in having a discussion about hydras themselves.

But if we had a slot being played by someone with severe schizophrenia as the reason for their majorly conflicting reads, surely you could understand how a slot like that would be problematic for town?

Okay so he's self-aware that the discussion is useless, but still isn't giving much else.

This is a good point, though scum usually tries to avoid confident town reads like this for that very reason.

"Scum usually". I think it's just as likely scum recognizes Math as very "townie" and would like to kill him for towncred.

the fuck is this supposed to mean

Scum points awarded. You admit that in your experience "hydrae/hydras are lynchbait" so you

vote

them???

Subsequent votes on the hydra by BuJaber and the worst are a bit worrying, but I'll accept these were RVS votes with a grain of salt (especially the worst who switched his vote quickly. Only if the hydra actually flips scum will I have another "different" look at this switch)

Interesting. So my vote on 16 isn't accepted as RVS, but others are? I would argue mine is better, because it created more discussion and pushed us out of RVS quicker. The only purpose of RVS is to get out of RVS, so I'm not going to apologize for what I do to get us out of it.

Okay this is a pretty LAMISTy defence. I get just saying "yo it was just half RVS" but acryon's trying to take actual credit here, lol.

Again, need to metacheck for "defending oneself by claiming towncred". Usually scum-indicative but can be ego-indicative.

[reads]

I have a vested interest in this, but this readlist requires explanation. You're townreading Beefster and BuJaber, who have both gotten heat. You're scumreading half the player list with no explanation. Help me understand.

Meh.
Self-awareness is NAI. Can see anyone asking wtf was up with that reads list.

Also I'm basically down to policy lynch brafin at this point

This alone is a scumclaim from Mathdino.

Is scum!Dino this blatant about a PL, especially on someone that he would know is town?

I don't know? Is this an opinion? Or is this commenting-without-commenting?

I understand why you would lump us together to an extent, but I also think we've played pretty different games from each other, and my reason for jumping on InfernoBrafin in the first place was RVS. I stayed on because it's produced some good pressure and content I think.

This is fair, and I agree that that initial wagon (and holding course on it for a while) was pro-town.

snip

Was about to summarize saying I liked IB a good bit more after the weekend, and then was going to vote Carrot and Stick, but the worst has done the work for me.

VOTE: Carrot and Stick

Also Almost50 is town, although wrong.

This is a NAI sheep vote. You can see the trajectory lining up to vote Carrot, that's fine.

Wondering what happened to summarising liking IB more though.

@acryon - why did you comment on carrot's first readlist (the one he claims is correct up to page 3), but not the second?

Because I was quoting as I went through, and the initial one was posted for a reason. I was interested in his reasoning for that one, not his toned-down version a few posts later. His second one was a whole 15 minutes later (clearly a good chunk of those minutes spent on posts in-between), so I'm not giving them much credit for an abundance of critical analysis happening between the two.

Adding acryon to the growing list of players who won't tell me why IB is town

The thought process doesn't feel scum-motivated. 302 and 315 are prime examples of this I think. I'm not saying the slot is a firm lock for town, but I'm also not comfortable leaving my vote there given how town some of their posts have looked.

Bujaber's question here is meaningless and a bit leading. Any response is gonna be NAI.

And holy shit are the IB townreads poorly explained.

acryon's vote looks opportunistic.

I think opportunism being scummy requires some amount of trying to look like it's something it's not. I was pretty up-front in my sheeping. I suppose you're welcome to not believe that I actually felt what I felt, but calling it opportunistic when I was so open about it seems

opportunistic

.

I mean I'd agree with this if this weren't a self-defence tactic.

I need to remind myself of my rule to just ignore people's defences altogether. It's 70% of the time completely NAI.

I disagree that self awareness nullifies the scumminess of actions

To go back to the discussion earlier, I think that the self-awareness is what separates between a "scummy" action and and scummy action coming from scum, although I don't get to be the jury on myself.

More theory. Doesn't do anything tbh.

Brafin:

Acron is striking me as scum. His vote seems kind of out there and OMGUS-y. Not much explanation on the vote.

I thought I was clear on this with my sheep of the worst's post, which explained things well on a base level, but I can elaborate.

327 starts with garbage. Saying 4 of the 5 people are scummy as of post 20. This should be the first red flag.
330 I have already commented on, but has fully half the game in scum category. If this isn't building up a massive lynch pool, then I don't know what is.
335 feels like theater, as if they hadn't reviewed the posts of their slot first. Are we really believing that?
342 don't get me started on. the worst already mentioned this, but this is absurd "bow to me, your mafia king" pontificating lacking little real content for the sake of scumhunting other than to tell everyone that they should trust them because "everyone in this game sucks, but thankfully I was able to immediately adjust and I nailed it anyway".

I'll stop here, but especially if they think the overall playerbase in this game is as "sub-par" as they say, their ISO

reeks

of attempts to manipulate through appeals to authority.

I would've loved to have been the first to vote C&S, but unfortunately they were active during times when I don't play.

I mean FWIW I generally agree with this, but this does seem written in a way that absolves acryon of responsibility/accountability for this read. Like this is the kind of case where if mastina flips town, acryon can be like "Hey man she was legitimately dropping scumtells".

So that was... underwhelming.

A lot of mafia theory, a few questions here and there, and a whole lot of self-defence and towncred-claiming. There must've been like 1 or 2 points in this ISO where I felt "you know what, that's a good point" outside of defending himself.

I need clarification on a few things and a personal meta-dive to structure this read further, but for now I'll call this a definite scumlean.

@acryon:

1. Your townping on Bujaber in 142 is undeveloped. Please elaborate on this and give an updated read on Buj.

2. In 186 you claimed LUV's posts had too much merit to disregard on gut. Elaborate.

3. In 207, you said you weren't interested in having a discussion on hydrae, yet almost 50% of your game-relevant posts are about hydrae. What was your motivation in returning to that point in 200?

4. bro wtf does this mean and how does it actually relate to the conversation beefster and the worst were having:

"Scum usually". I think it's just as likely scum recognizes Math as very "townie" and would like to kill him for towncred.

5.

IS

scum!Dino blatant about policy lynches on town? You never continued that train of thought.

6. You're at the point where you're gonna have to give a full reads list. Your ISO is nearly devoid of stances on players. Here's a jumpstart:
Going through the posts in which people scumread/vote/shade you, who seems to genuinely believe you're scum, and who seems insincere in their push?
IIRC, these are:
Mathdino
Momrangal
mastina
Almost50
Beefster
Iconeum
Bujaber