Mini 1993 - Earthbound Mafia: Giygas' Curse - GAME OVER

[Mathdino]

UNVOTE:
I'm happy with this

you wanna put acryon at L-1?

[Mathdino]

shit i'm sorry i forgot to actually tell you what was unsatisfying

i'll go pull up the post, get ready for a lolcase

[the worst]

I wanna see the case first if that's cool.

[the worst]

I don't love acryon either but something about this wagon feels off
can't put my finger on it yet (part of the reason I'm slacking til the next VC)

[Mathdino]

Spoiler: why 586 was trash

Nahhh. I expect to live to see D3. I'm not getting lynched this game I can guarantee you that. I might be the nightkill, be it reputation, accuracy, or the best combo of "unlikely to be protected/watched while still being a good idea to get rid of", but my plan is to either be so right that I'm someone scum think the doc/watch will be on or so wrong that scum keep me around hoping I'll get mislynched/lead the town towards mislynches even though I know I won't be.

Ugh, this feels super town.

and this feels like acryon has literally never encountered a good scum player with a meta for being arrogant before
or that he's just making up this read

Of course, I was dissatisfied with that. Which is what continued reading was useful for and continued effort to try and sort the slots and narrow it down. (Because again, scum try to widen the lynchpool; town try to shrink it.) Given that I currently have exactly three scumreads no more no less? I'd say I was highly successful in that endeavor. I am at exactly the spot I need to be at for D1.

Agreed with the first part, but you don't see how it looks a little convenient that you posted an ambiguous list that appeared to show a large portion of the game as possibly on your scum-radar, which you could then theoretically draw from later on and claim you had an early read to that effect?

Also I'm basically down to policy lynch brafin at this point

This alone is a scumclaim from Mathdino.

Is scum!Dino this blatant about a PL, especially on someone that he would know is town?

Absolutely, yes, and it is specifically BECAUSE he knows they are town that it is so blatant. (This is a preview for the

real

reason Mathdino's policy lynch on InfernoBrafin is a scumclaim.)

Hmm ok.

see he's waffling on his read of mastina, bargaining with her scumread ("okay but look at it from MY perspective")
and now positioning himself to flatter her into lynching me instead
someone he initially was pretty comfortable with

a few things here that i'm cutting out are just defence against mastina
and since mastina's points are pretty blanketly awful i'm gonna give a bye on any defences against them

UNVOTE:
Have a hard time believing C&S is scum here after this recent flurry of posts.

this goes unexplained
acryon isn't braindead nor is he a one-liner player like not_mafia
he spends all his explanation energy on long-winded self-defence
playing softball with mastina, who is currently his greatest threat

cutting out asking iconeum for reasons because that's fair

right so that entire post is summed up by

1. i'm either softclaiming PR or am too awesome to ever be lynched/wagoned (which i'm pretty sure is scum-indicative)
(i'm comfortable calling that a blatant PR softclaim because if i saw it immediately, scum fucking DEFINITELY saw it; feel free to not respond to this)

Can we not talk about who we do or don't think is softclaiming?

random shade
i literally said the reason i'm comfortable mentioning it is because it was so insanely blatant
like, if i saw it within 2 seconds, the chance that 3 scum wouldn't notice it with 2 days to decide their kill is near zilch

It would be interesting to see you make a case on acryon, MD.

Are you incapable of making a case? And why are you asking someone who doesn't even scumread me to make a case? Sound like you just

want

him to come up with reasons to scumread me. How is that town play?

okay more random shade on a player that's bled town
i had already discussed that i'd been doing an PbPA on acryon because i hadn't actually looked into his posts past that initial townread
plus this is overdefencive; iconeum didn't explicitly say it'd be interesting to see me scumcase acryon
i can and have made towncases before

I don't like the push on Beefster. It seems like middle-hanging fruit. Go after a good player with a scummy playstyle instead of a bad player who gets scumread by everyone. Makes you look like you're doing something. Beefster's trajectory is consistent with town there. Need to talk this over with acryon.

Hold on a second Math. Surely most people would say low-hanging fruit is scummy, but now

middle

-hanging fruit is scummy? So unless people pursue the most difficult leads, it's scummy?

i disagree that low-hanging fruit is always scummy
high-hanging fruit is generally townish yes
but middle hanging fruit is the way to go when you're generally a nuanced player who doesn't constantly push for low-hanging fruit

pick a post someone makes, pick a person, and "read deeper into it" and come up with reasons to scumread them
his reaction is unfortunately deflecting back onto mafia theory instead of explaining why his beefster push was actually good in the first place

@acryon:

1. Your townping on Bujaber in 142 is undeveloped. Please elaborate on this and give an updated read on Buj.

This is gut since I've played with him recently. To be honest I still don't feel much from BuJ. No posts of his particularly strike me as scum-motivated, and gut tells me it's genuine.

this is a letdown

2. In 186 you claimed LUV's posts had too much merit to disregard on gut. Elaborate.

Obviously this was quite early on so there isn't much in general, but ]post]126[/post] and 127 seem like posts that are helpful for town. 127 specifically seemed like town-analysis.

this is a massive let-down, 127 was a mess of a post and was not actually a good point
of course since there's no explanation here other than slapping a label, i can't really engage with this

3. In 207, you said you weren't interested in having a discussion on hydrae, yet almost 50% of your game-relevant posts are about hydrae. What was your motivation in returning to that point in 200?

I returned to it because it seemed to become clear that it

was

becoming an issue. Was happy to move on from it if it didn't become an issue, but it appeared it had at that point.

okay but are we supposed to ban hydrae from this game altogether
look through his ISO and find his mentions of hydrae (which at this point in the game comprises 1/3 of his ISO)
it's not constructive, it's not helpful, it's just "SEE WHAT I DID EARLIER MAKES SENSE"

#4 was a syntax confusion i'm cutting that out
#5 was a quick clarification i'm also cutting that out

6. You're at the point where you're gonna have to give a full reads list. Your ISO is nearly devoid of stances on players. Here's a jumpstart:
Going through the posts in which people scumread/vote/shade you, who seems to genuinely believe you're scum, and who seems insincere in their push?

I certainly don't have the time to play as much as I used to, so I generally try to make a decent catch-up post and then a handful of smaller posts throughout the day, but you likely won't see paragraphs of a case from me.

Mathdino - If anything, your potential scumread of me feels like it's jumping on the train (or being forced on by Icon). Personally, I just have a connection to you because I like your playstyle. I'm not sure if that's causing me to give you a pass up until now, but it's possible.
Momrangal - Mom is a fairly null slot to me, although gun to my head I'd say sincere/Town.
C&S - Didn't like the entrance, haven't really played with the slot, but feel pretty confidently now that the slot is town.
Almost50 - Feels very obvtown. Really like his posts.
Beefster - Likely scum.
Icon - Felt like obvtown at the beginning, but when he started pushing you so hard to try and make a case on me, it really rubbed me the wrong way. I now think he's loosened up his play a bit after being widely townread. Starting to feel insincere.
BuJaber - Already touched on this a bit, but most early posts felt sincere. But this last couple pages or so have been

weird

. All of his posts on the last couple pages have been bad. Icon has already touched on this it looks like, which to me makes me think that both Icon and BuJ are likely not scum.

man, this is much worse than i expected

the mathdino read feels like he's positioning himself into redirecting the acryon wagon onto me (and mayyyybe hope that my townflip clears him of the weird associations); there was no indication of issues with me up until i literally just went through his ISO with an open mind
plus, he hasn't actually provided any evidence that my PbPA of him was insincere
i actually thought i'd end up townreading him by the end of it

C&S read is political

A50 is in no way obvtown, beefster read is still not fleshed out, his read on iconeum is paranoid and icon didn't push me AT ALL to make a case on him, and capping it off with "icon/buj is not the scumteam" is just useless

Scum

Beefster

VOTE: Beefster

like, fuck, man, i just ISO'd acryon for all mentions of "beef" and there's just no explanation for this vote/scumread at all
after i just asked him to clarify things for us

i mean now i'm second guessing myself because i'm like "would scum be THAT BAD to explain every read BESIDES the person they're voting? would scum have THAT inconsistent of a trajectory?"

and then i start thinking "what if this lynch is just veering into policy lynch territory on the basis that acryon is just being bad at this game"

but then i remember i'm perfectly okay with policy lynches that are likely to hit scum and i'm fine again

so yeah acryon is probably the right lynch

and if something feels off about the wagon, it's probably mastina's ego lol

[the worst]

and if something feels off about the wagon, it's probably mastina's ego lol

nearly choked on my coffee

[the worst]

so you're acryon's buddy bussing him right?

[Mathdino]

Basically, yeah

[the worst]

recruit me tonight ok?


I'll admit I haven't lensed that hard but my mind is going in a similar direction
main issue... is this flailing scum or mislynch bait?

so far no individual person on the wagon has pinged me as scummy but the wagon itself has. it's been so unresisted it's eerie.

intent to vote acryon to L-1 if I don't get evil agenda pings from people on the wagon after the next VC

[Mathdino]

look i'm gonna level with you

if the prevailing theory is mathdino/acryon

i lynch him (he's probscum anyway, and he's gonna have to get lynched at some point at this rate)

if he flips scum, great, at least we had a scum lynch, i'm comfortable with the fact that a few people will turn on me afterward

if he flips town, mathdino not scum with acryon, we can figure out wtf actually happened D1

Edit: i think given that not_mafia is almost certainly gonna lolhammer here when TW makes that vote

yo acryon pls claim thanks

[Mathdino]

after everything, i still believe i have a solid chance of being NK'd in either situation as of right now

my reads don't really incriminate anyone in particular

end-of-day reads list will come tho maybe that'll change

[BuJaber]

Thought we were waiting for kthx?

It'd be funny if kthx hammers actually.

Intent to hammer.. MD was pretty much only holdout on an acryon lynch but not anymore.

[BuJaber]

MD have you reread any other ISO?

Beef in particular

[Mathdino]

I just did, and there are a few posts that really strongly read confusion and lack of alignment knowledge. Just don't think he'd be making them as scum. Townread holds course.

I don't think the slot is contentious enough to do a full write-up but if anyone's interested in me actually potentially changing their minds, just hit me up.

Personally I was waiting on:
1. Kthx, Paradox, Assembler (probably a lost cause, someone go find out if he straight up refuses to post in his scumgames)

2. acryon to get his bearings and come back to the game actually doing things (nope)

3. Me to do a meta-case on acryon to see if I'm just flat-out wrong.

Problem is I don't really have reasonable alternatives to acryon other than straight up policy lynching. So I'm taking my sweet time on that meta and it may not happen at all; I don't think anything I find will really be enough to flip my or anyone else's read, unless I find something making him utterly obviously readable.

A50 is probably my second non-policy scumread, but that's just not something I feel like doing today.

[acryon]

This is such a frustrating game. Effort is NAI, yet it's apparent that's what I'm being nailed on, and I wouldn't have signed up for this game if I knew that would be an issue (it hasn't in my previous mini's).

When I don't have a lot of time for a game, gut is going to play a larger role than other times.

I am Captain Strong, town 1-shot gladiator.

Gladiate: MathDino and Iconeum

Dino because I don't think town!Dino gives into peer pressure and builds this bad case. Iconeum because I think he is scum that got wind of people townreading him and decided he could ride on that, which shows his clear change in play from the early part of the day to the later part.

[the worst]

what the fuck

for real?

[BuJaber]

So we can only vote MD, icon, or acryon, right?

VOTE: icon

[Iconeum]

Wait, how does that work (if real?)?
It's between MD and me now? I Always thought a gladiate is between the PR and a target of his choice?

[the worst]

Does this lock voting to Math/Ico only or can you still be voted acryon?

[BuJaber]

Wiki says can be multiple targets with PR anyway we can easily check the claim

VOTE: beef

[BuJaber]

Well maybe not if mod doesn't post VC's lol

[Iconeum]

heh easily tested indeed.
Also, how am I your pick out of those 3?

[Iconeum]

When I flip town, what will that tell you?

[Iconeum]

Even if the claim is true, it doesn't make acryon town.

[acryon]

Does this lock voting to Math/Ico only or can you still be voted acryon?

This locks it to just Math/Ico.