Mini 1993 - Earthbound Mafia: Giygas' Curse - GAME OVER

[acryon]

Really sucks that I had to use this for self-preservation. Frustrating game overall.

To clarify on the PR, I have the ability of

Road Block

which allows me to block off 2 players and force them to duel, making them the only option for the day's lynch.

[the worst]

I think we're better off waiting for a vc for acryon as he could be L-2 still.

THIS IS A UTILITY VOTE ONLY. I'll rethink the game state upon mod comment. VOTE: Iconeum

pedit: Ico we need to see what happens if we vote one of you/Math + acryon. Atm Math & acryon are much closer to lynch than you so you are mechanically the better of the 3 to test vote. Very tiny chance of being speedlynched.

[the worst]

For full-disclosure, here is a full list:
Town
Almost50
the worst
Carrot & Stick

Lean-town
Not_Mafia
InfernoBrafin (James Brafin + Inferno390)
Momrangal

Null
Kthxbye
Mathdino

Lean-scum
TheGoldenParadox
Iconeum
BuJaber

Scum
Beefster

Can you talk me through how you got from here to selecting these two players? Do you think they're scum together?

[Iconeum]

why the hell are you voting me again? i'm seriously considering casing you at this point

[Mathdino]

I claim bodyguard. My alignment is sorted by the nightkill, as I've stated time and time again. I alluded to my end of day reads lost which I was gonna use to crumb my target. If anyone seriously questions this, I can go find more allusions, but I didn't breadcrumb because I literally just need to stop a kill to prove myself.

A50 is gonna fuckin love this one.

I was gonna protect Iconeum. Real nice call, acryon.
VOTE: Iconeum
Town, but not me, and I think I have more to offer town late game on account of experience and role.

[the worst]

why the hell are you voting me again? i'm seriously considering casing you at this point

I think we're better off waiting for a vc for acryon as he could be L-2 still.

THIS IS A UTILITY VOTE ONLY. I'll rethink the game state upon mod comment. VOTE: Iconeum

pedit: Ico we need to see what happens if we vote one of you/Math + acryon. Atm Math & acryon are much closer to lynch than you so you are mechanically the better of the 3 to test vote. Very tiny chance of being speedlynched.

[the worst]

UNVOTE: Math's vote works. More thought through vote will be next.

[Mathdino]

If you thought I was playing totally callously, that's only because I wasn't setting up for even surviving into the late game, nor did I ever expect to get run up. Figured my best contribution could be to make sure we get a good d1 lynch and peace out.

There was a stretch where I forgot I was a bodyguard (I forget when but I'll know it when I see it) and afterwards you can see how sure I was that I would flip eventually.

[acryon]

For full-disclosure, here is a full list:
Town
Almost50
the worst
Carrot & Stick

Lean-town
Not_Mafia
InfernoBrafin (James Brafin + Inferno390)
Momrangal

Null
Kthxbye
Mathdino

Lean-scum
TheGoldenParadox
Iconeum
BuJaber

Scum
Beefster

Can you talk me through how you got from here to selecting these two players? Do you think they're scum together?

Overall, I wanted to pick players I was scumreading that had a smaller chance of typically being lynched, playing it similarly to how I would play a vig. I think if Beefster or Bu specifically are scum, town will get them soon enough.

Math had been quickly moving moving down the spectrum for me, as I mentioned. To be completely honest, part of the reason I selected him is because I am frustrated with his read progression on me, but ultimately I can't see town!Dino allowing himself to be coached into the crappy dive he did on me.

I think it's very possible they are a team together, especially considering how Icon seemed to be coaching Math toward me, which makes sense given the lack of day-talk.

[Mathdino]

Acryon, you should've claimed before using your ability. Day PRs who try to play hero are what ruin role madness games.

[Mathdino]

Screw you, I wasn't coached into anything. I basically glossed over every post you made until I decided to ISO you and come to my own conclusions.

[Mathdino]

What's basically gonna happen here is whoever isn't lynched likely dies at night anyway.

[Iconeum]

Fine if this is gonna how this day is ending.

acryon, any last words?

[acryon]

Screw you, I wasn't coached into anything. I basically glossed over every post you made until I decided to ISO you and come to my own conclusions.

Didn't feel like that.

And I know I probably played this wrong. I've literally never even gotten close to being lynched prior to day 3 in a game, so this has been very annoying to me. Although I get it's likely my fault for not being able to contribute as much.

[Iconeum]

On another note, a town player would use this ability to get himself out of trouble, AND force a duel between his own/majority scumreads.
This feels very panicky and def not pro-town.

[acryon]

On another note, a town player would use this ability to get himself out of trouble, AND force a duel between his own/majority scumreads.
This feels very panicky and def not pro-town.

Why would I force it between majority scumreads? Never played gladiator before, but like I said I looked at it how I would look at a vig. As a vig, I would shoot people I scumread that I think the town would have trouble ever lynching.

Willing to admit I played it wrong, but that made sense to me.

[Iconeum]

How do you see yourself progressing the game on D2, now that you've certified a D1 town lynch?

[Mathdino]

Comfortable with acryon being retribution vigged. Neither of us are flipping scum here.

Acryon, you're capable of not making impulse decisions. I also have not gotten this close to ANY lynch since hiatus. I guess my plays been fundamentally different, or this playerlist set me off, or whatever.

But we've basically wasted 2 days just like that.

Fuck gladiators in setup design tbh

[Iconeum]

How do you see yourself progressing the game on D2, now that you've certified a D1 town lynch?

This needs to be answered.

[Mathdino]

You don't play hero as vig. You vig the people that are anti town that scum will never shoot themselves, and who probably get mislynched.

I can understand gladiating me and thinking I'd be up for lynch. But we have literally 5 policy lynchable people and they're NEVER getting shot at this rate. Could've vigged any number of them.

[TheGoldenParadox]

FWIW i'm still at a point where i could policy lynch half the playerlist just to get rid of this noise

i'm finally understanding why people have en masse called mastina's playstyle anti-town

she pops on for however long and is always in catchup mode

which derails the conversation onto her posts... only for her to wait to catch up and do it all again

my "can lynch" pool is not the same as my "is probably scum" pool, although there's a lot of intersection
it's a reflection of my policy bloodthirst

can lynch:
{Not_Mafia, InfernoBrafin, Carrot/Stick (NEW ADDITION), Paradox}

could be scum i guess but i need to flesh these reads out more before i'd be willing to wagon:
{acryon (I guess?), Bujaber}

deffo not lynching today regardless of my read on them unless there's something damning:
{Almost50, Marangal}

my dear town:
{Iconeum, TW, Beefster}

and yes, i'm entirely self-aware of the fact that i'm doubling down on being willing to lynch most players in this game

iconeum, that was a PR softclaim

i'm gonna level with you here, i'm afraid that if we push mastina to the point where she's forced to claim (fakeclaim if scum), that confirms her as town for the day and gets me lynched

so my intuition is to not force that out of her and instead just ignore her for the time being

This is what I don't understand here; your incredibly obvious surviving mentality. If I weren't so bad at reading you I'd say you were scum.

Oh okay cool. I expected a "no comment".

VOTE: Carrot

I'm down for an acryon lynch now. I'm also going to dismiss most of the mastina/MD fight now, just b/c I don't think it's adding anything at this point.

TBH, I don't believe we should lynch mathdino today. I want to see his D2 thoughts on the game before we necessarily lynch him.

Acryon is not giving me good vibes here. He seems very fake. Not voting right now because it's at L-2 and I want to see some of his thoughts on the game before L-1.

[acryon]

How do you see yourself progressing the game on D2, now that you've certified a D1 town lynch?

1) I'm not convinced I have certified a D1 town lynch.
2) I'm hoping we get some information from the flip plus NK.

Comfortable with acryon being retribution vigged. Neither of us are flipping scum here.

Acryon, you're capable of not making impulse decisions. I also have not gotten this close to ANY lynch since hiatus. I guess my plays been fundamentally different, or this playerlist set me off, or whatever.

But we've basically wasted 2 days just like that.

You and Icon seemed convinced we need to waste 2 days here. If you believe I've wasted/ruined today (you clearly do), that doesn't mean we have to do the same tomorrow.

You don't play hero as vig. You vig the people that are anti town that scum will never shoot themselves, and who probably get mislynched.

I can understand gladiating me and thinking I'd be up for lynch. But we have literally 5 policy lynchable people and they're NEVER getting shot at this rate. Could've vigged any number of them.

Ok, fair enough. Like I said, willing to admit I played it wrong. Never played as gladiator before, and only actually ever played vig IRL.

[acryon]

I think you missed a fairly important page Golden...

[Iconeum]

lol @ golden, nice skimming.

acryon, what information do you hope to get from my lynch?

[Mathdino]

Lol'd.

My D1 basically turned into "holy shit I just need to survive tonight, get myself killed, and prove mastina and IB to be HILARIOUSLY wrong".

Add Paradox's posts to the list of "ways it was obvious that Mathdino was bodyguard" tbh. Along with me being like YES BUJABER IF I AM NOT DEAD BY LYLO YOU CAN FEEL FREE TO LYNCH ME.

I'm not giving the end of day reads list anymore because then I stand an even lesser probability of getting killed. Can probably predict the NK pretty well though.