Mini 1993 - Earthbound Mafia: Giygas' Curse - GAME OVER

[Carrot and Stick]

Wakes up
Sees a few pages
Sees a Gladiate
Is now leaving.

Comes home.
Sees more than a few pages, reads them.
Sees a gladiate, comments on it and stays.

I wonder what's different about these?

[Not_Mafia]

mastina's was just well written and enjoyable to read.

if you encourage mastina again i'm labeling you as the worst of the policy lynchpool

I have to agree with my prehistoric pal here, I have a finite amount of time on this earth and don't appreciate it being wasted reading 17 paragraphs that could have been said in a single sentence

[Mathdino]

VOTE: the worst

literally just for entertaining mastina

[Carrot and Stick]

You got it
Just know that there's likely no other protectives
I'm open to counterclaims

I am a protective. I was planning on protecting Almost50 ORIGINALLY for like a day, but then I realized between likely scum (and thus who they'd target), Almost50's towncred having waned, and Iconeum being the closest thing this game has to a universal townread that no way in hell were the scum shooting Almost50 and if they did then it'd be +EV for the town for them to have done it so I was more than happy to protect Iconeum the ACTUAL player most likely to die.

[Beefster]

Let us ask then.

@MOD

can we go to a no lynch today?

I'll allow it if majority votes for it. However since I am doing this if no votes are cast for either player gladiated and no majority is achieved for no lynch then a coin shall be flipped to determine which is lynched.

No lynch goes to a coin flip I think.

@mod: am I correct in this statement? Or is the no lynch coin flip only if we time out D1?

[Carrot and Stick]

And I'm not gonna do a damn thing until we get an answer

And thus you do nothing at a time where town absolutely would be doing something.

[Beefster]

I will switch to No Lynch only if it actually results in no lynch.

[the worst]

Ok the mini 1993 mastina fabclub will reconvene post-game. Sooooorry

Also this game number is my birth year!

[Mathdino]

You got it
Just know that there's likely no other protectives
I'm open to counterclaims

I am a protective. I was planning on protecting Almost50 ORIGINALLY for like a day, but then I realized between likely scum (and thus who they'd target), Almost50's towncred having waned, and Iconeum being the closest thing this game has to a universal townread that no way in hell were the scum shooting Almost50 and if they did then it'd be +EV for the town for them to have done it so I was more than happy to protect Iconeum the ACTUAL player most likely to die.

fuuuuuck me

okay so there's basically 2 options from my perspective

1. let you die so i don't have to lynch you for being awful d1 (especially after acryon flips town)

2. we protect each other, which almost certainly guarantees our survival into lategame (but likely results in one of us getting lynched)
and we can work out a whole plan if you're actually a jailkeeper (don't fullclaim obviously)
like, you flip a coin as to whether or not you protect me

[Carrot and Stick]

I was going to do a full read of this, but after seeing the gladiator claim and hating D1s to begin with, I'm going to focus down on the 2 lychables for today (assuming it's a real role/action).
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Though this is an easy choice to lynch MD over me. There's a divided playerlist over his slot, while I'm still overall townread. Lynching MD gives a much better start of D2 in any case.

I don't see how it's the easy choice to lynch MD over you. A quick ISO has me reading him town and you scummy. Town or Scum, I can take guesses as to why you are procrastinating on claiming, but I want to hear the reason from your mouth.
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MD: Can I get an updated and condensed list of your town/scum reads please? Would you lynch you over Icon?

Okay yeah so kthx is scum this game. This is a scum entrance/reaction.

[the worst]

He also expressed a Math TR, Ico SR then voted No Lynch instantly

[the worst]

Was kinda hoping to engage his slot a bit more before laying all this out but w/e

[Carrot and Stick]

What an interesting turn of events. I had scumreads on both of you...

I mean obviously Beefster/Momra/acryon/kthx aren't all scum but like.

You're just not finding scum outside of those four, aside from the slight possibility of Almost50 but even that's not likely.

Sec, should probably give this in readslist form.

[Carrot and Stick]

Iconeum
BuJaber
The Worst
InfernoBrafin
alban/marshy/Not_Mafia
TheGoldenParadox

Mathdino
Lil Uzi Vert/Almost50

Beefster

Kthxbye

Momrangal




acryon


I'd say this is about where I'm at.

[Carrot and Stick]

I don't think I would mind a mislynch.

Of course you wouldn't.

[Carrot and Stick]

acryon is more than likely town because scum gladiator essentially functions as a 1-shot governor, which is ridiculous by design standards.

Mathdino, no offense, but you have no design sense for setups. Your comparison is about right, but calling it ridiculous isn't--I've seen exactly that in a MICRO. Yes. Scum 1x governor. In a MICRO. I kid you not.

This is a mini.

Is it a good role, no, I frankly hate it. Doesn't change the fact that it's in the game and is NOT a town role.

Could it be a town role in theory, why yes yes it could, which is why you judge the role by the play driving it; by that metric, it's clear as day that acryon is a scumfuck.

[the worst]

Mastiiiina

Do you think a scum gladiatoriser makes sense with the notion that town can Opt to no lynch?

[Carrot and Stick]

Her self meta is absolute shit
I believe she can be meta'd, just not on the tells she rants about

I mean you can say that all you'd like but you'll join the long list of players who have been proven wrong about me time and time again while I continue to get to brag about being right since me being me of course I'm right about me rather obviously. (To be fair. I don't know many aspects of myself, but I actively aim to discover them, which is more than can be said for anyone taking the policy you do. To know me even a fraction as well as I know me, you have to want to know me; if you don't, then you fundamentally cannot.)

All of these combine with one final factor, an active choice to not be a spamposter commenting on literally everything. When I make posts, I attempt to optimize the signal:noise ratio.

I do let myself make noise

, but I absolutely don't want said noise to drown out the signal

.

For what it's worth, regardless of my alignment you're always free to ask me about the differences behind my scumgame and my towngame and you'll receive a truthful, helpful answer. But it's always available if you would find it an actually helpful resource.

Literally said multiple times absolutely nothing is changing her read

Also this bumps Mathdino out of my scumpool believe it or not.

This is obviously not a "scum making case on doomed scumbuddy" instance. That kind of play does happen, but I'd like to think from past experience that I unlike SOMEONE in this game actually can identify it.

I don't think it is. And for that matter even if acryon flipped town,

I wouldn't call Mathdino scum

. The case was just something which had a strong town-driven motivation behind it and I don't see the scum agenda.

If acryon is a scumbuddy, then the case isn't one which looks like it's being made for the towncred. If acryon is town, then the case isn't one which looks like it's being made for survivalism, and there's certainly no need for an acryon mislynch above all other mislynch options available to a scum-Dino world.

[Mathdino]

when the gladiation was placed i assumed no lynch was not an option

given that NL is an option, it's basically equivalent to a scum one-shot public dayvig

so given that NL is an option, i'm willing to relinquish the idea that acryon is town by role

[the worst]

I was kinda feeling the opposite

Does it make sense for scum to have a "one shot public day vig" which can be nullified?

[Carrot and Stick]

How the hell would you have known anything about my role to claim something akin to a GUNSMITH GUILTY on me?

By being a fucking counterclaim. I am a protective. My protective is not such that your role and mine cannot coexist in the town, thus it's a gunsmith guilty, not a cop guilty. My current standing is that you are more likely town and thus that our roles do in fact coexist in the town, but it remains possible for you to be scum. Sounds like a gunsmith guilty on a vig to me so the comparison holds.

[Mathdino]

mastina i'm pretty obviously talking about before you suddenly flopped your read on me solely because i ended up agreeing with your primary scumread
like jesus fuck i almost wish i was scum this game if all it takes to get me towncred is to barrel after acryon

and i never claimed to be the one able to read you, i said you are generally meta-readable
i just consider you utility lynchable, moreso when you're pushing scum agenda

[Mathdino]

How the hell would you have known anything about my role to claim something akin to a GUNSMITH GUILTY on me?

By being a fucking counterclaim. I am a protective. My protective is not such that your role and mine cannot coexist in the town, thus it's a gunsmith guilty, not a cop guilty. My current standing is that you are more likely town and thus that our roles do in fact coexist in the town, but it remains possible for you to be scum. Sounds like a gunsmith guilty on a vig to me so the comparison holds.

the fuck?

you claimed a gunsmith guilty on me before i ever claimed my role

either something's missing here or your writing is terrible this catchup

[Iconeum]

That question goes nowhere, the worst. The option to no lynch while gladiate is in effect makes equal amounts of sense if it's town or scum alligned.

fp'd a milion times

[Carrot and Stick]

mastina please stop butting into 1 on 1 conversations just to tell one person the other is scum

I only do so when they raise a good point and yet they fail to realize it was a good point. It is a reminder that they raised the good point and that there is an obvious answer to their point.