... He said the same thing the rest of us did.Gateway wrote:I don't care about the FoS, I think you are the first person to understand what I meant.
Like, exactly the same...
I'm not entirely sure if it's one or the other - "Cognitive dissonace" is probably the best description I've seen of his play so far - but I'm not sure if these are mutually exclusive states of being in Gateway's case, either.Verbosity wrote:Those voting Gateway: Why do you think that his play is indicative of scum, rather than stupid?
How soon is "soon"? I would hope that nobody is dumb enough to throw down a hasty hammer D1, so I could be open to switching my vote depending on what transpires over the next few pages.Verbosity wrote:I also get the feeling that those of you that suspect Gateway will not switch to molestargazer at any soon point, is that accurate?
I have to agree with this. It benefits scum to feign cautious deliberation moreso than to take a firm stance.sekinj wrote:no, sitting the fence IS NOT townie.Gateway wrote:1.) Sitting on the fence is a townie thing right, so why say that and vote scum.
Could you reply earlier if you weren't molestering?molest[s]argazer[/s] wrote:Wow, I have a lot to catch up on.
I should be able to get something later this afternoon.
Kicking off D1 with aggressive posts is by no means a sign of scumminess. More often than not the point is to guage the reactions ofGateway (63) wrote:Verb had a gung=ho attitude about -one- player on page -one-. If they would have turned out to be a townie, who would have been first on the chopping block day two? I think my statement was common sense
That seems fair enough.Gateway (65) wrote:It is simple Spolium.
My vote changes because one statement or another made me question my logic, and I am quick to take off a vote that could be wrong.
You've said elsewhere that "Gateway (65) wrote:As it stands right now I think Verbosity is a townie because that is the gut hunch I get (I'm a gut hunch person on day one, "logic" doesn't really work since we have only theory and not a single fact on day one)
With the exception of Verb and his scumminess vs. stupidity stance, you are the only person directly questioning the lynch. Is there anything in particular which stands out as newbtown floundering?Jazzmyn wrote:Having caught up on the posts, I am not convinced that Gateway is scum. He reads to me more like inexperienced townie and a "convenient" lynch target rather than scum. I will not be voting to lynch him at present.
This concerns me as well.Jazzmyn wrote:Among those voting to lynch Gateway, I am most suspicious of MafiaSSK, as his vote came with nothing but a one-liner without any substance whatsoever. A lazy, jump-on kind of vote.
No, no. I wasSpolium wrote:Could you reply earlier if you weren't molestering?
Probably a little bit of both.Spolium wrote:I'd like to know more about your switch of vote from Verbosity to Gateway. Is it because you found Gateway more scummy, or Verb less so? A combination of both, perhaps?
Refer to spolium for first point.Verbosity wrote:It wasn't an attack, I was just stating my opinion. I can't even comprehend the desire to lengthen the random voting stage.
That only works if you think that the player would crack, and frankly I think Gateway is not collected enough to be a valid choice for that strategy.
I also get the feeling that those of you that suspect Gateway will not switch to molestargazer at any soon point, is that accurate?
Correct.Spolium wrote:I think ThAdmiral meant me.
No, it wasn't an attack. I've seen the point raised on more than one occasion, and since this is the first game where I've seen someone jackhammer their way out of the RVS like that I wanted to know what the consensus was. My thinking was that multiple responses would allow me to make a better judgement of the validity of the claim.
But you haven't. There were issues sekinj and I had raised which you didn't responded to.Gateway wrote:Explain what is scummy. I've addressed concerns and explained my 'scummy' behavior.
Agreed.sekinj wrote:no, sitting the fence IS NOT townie. I think you were attempting to get verb lynched, and still be able to come back tomorrow and defend yourself when he flipped town.
But you clearly said at the time that you considered verb as a townie?Gateway wrote:I wrote that before you posted, so -now- I think Verb is a Zealous townie, at a moment I thought Verb was a Joker or Scum. My vote changes -from- B to A because I considered posts that came after.
Fine by me.Verbosity wrote:You are generalising, but whether or not you're right is a matter of opinion, more than anything, and I would not want to get into a discussion on theory when we have better things to be doing.
Right. Apologies, must've missed that.Verbosity wrote:He said that I might want to be lynched. There's only one role that does that.
Yes. However, you have provided reasons for why you think he is pro-town. Surely this means you think he is more likely to be pro-town than anyone else, yet you still vote?Gateway wrote:Without deaths, cops, or some other information we can only assume everyone is townie on day one
Surely -PERSON- would fit in there far better? We can't automatically assume everyone is a townie and take no action to think otherwise, that'd be stupid.Gateway wrote:So yes my day one strategy is to vote on the -TOWNIE- I think is most likely scum. Since there is no possible way any of us know who is scum on day one.
A joker would have still ruined the game when you first voted. Why have you changed your mind about the mod's setup?Gateway wrote:and I don't think your a Joker as that would just ruin the game.
Know what you mean, but the whole point of discussion on D1 is to gain opinions - it doesn't mean we can't act on them.Gateway wrote:not a single fact on day one
Right now I think he is more likely to be scum than you, and I feel he is more likely scum than anyone else I've seen, hence my vote is on him.Verbosity wrote:Those voting Gateway: Why do you think that his play is indicative of scum, rather than stupid?
I would hope so.Verbosity wrote:I also get the feeling that those of you that suspect Gateway will not switch to molestargazer at any soon point, is that accurate?
Panzer - Your points are good. Not much more I can say about there. Of the two, Verbosity and Gateway, if you had to pick one to be scum who would it be?mole (See that? MOLE. K, thanks) wrote:I'd like you to explain
- Why you denied you were defending Verbosity when you were posting why you thought he was Pro-town
If he's FoSed there, there's a reason. Could you answer to that regardless of his understanding?Gateway wrote:I don't care about the FoS, I think you are the first person to understand what I meant.
Can you please elaborate on this point?Gateway wrote:By ten o'clock (night phase) I get a list of two possible people one possible scum. I can choose to pass that along in the morning.
I've never played in a game that I received a safe claim in my pm... so no, I actually don't know exactly how they work... and didn't consider them before my unvote.MafiaSSK wrote:You don't know about safeclaims?sekinj wrote:unvote
I severly doubt gateway could have made up that role.