Lol. K.ChannelDelibird wrote: I'll get to answering your post soon, Brandi (spoiler: I disagree with it).
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Ok, I'm done
But first a little announcement. I don't know where it was, but I believe that I saw somewhere a word I didn't know. So I hope that the more difficult words can be prevented as I'm Dutch >.<
Anyway, the Spam Fest starts now ^.^
Why no random attack?
But first a little announcement. I don't know where it was, but I believe that I saw somewhere a word I didn't know. So I hope that the more difficult words can be prevented as I'm Dutch >.<
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if he returns):Why no random attack?
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You state here that you wouldn’t mind that ZEEnon would start serious discussion. However, there’s also a ‘but’ included. Did you want to hear from everybody before starting real discussion or not? If yes, why? If not, why did you include the ‘but’?
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States here that he doesn’t like the attack (IGMEOY, ZEE), yet only mentioned this after he’s been called out on it by ZEEnon. Another thing is that the ‘IGMEOY’ shows that he sees it as scummy. But he sticked with his random attack. Please explain why, FA
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Please explain this to me. You didn’t like how Shotty and FA were off-topic, as it doesn’t help to achieve our win condition. But how would it help any of them if one of them is scum to achieve their win condition?
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:Post 40
You choose to vote FA, because he hadn’t fully read your statement. In this post, you ask Tzeentch a question which was already answered in the quote. Is there any difference between what FA did and what you did? If so, what?
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Nothing adding to the discussion. Instead, attacking a player to get him to participate, while RBT isn’t participating himself. Scummy.
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This says enough about the last paragraph:
[quote=”Tzeentch”] As you say, going off topic is not necessarily bad. Had it continued for two pages, it would have been justified to say "Um, I think we're going off topic here, guys." Saying after three posts that you are trying to decide which is scum, and that one of them is leading us away from the matter at hand (with an implied belief that it was for nefarious purposes) is hasty at best, and potentially indicative of a nervousness - which in turn could be due to you having something to hide. [/quote]
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Please respond to the points FA made in detail.
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Scummy vote. Especially as he knows ZEEnon does this all the time.
Also, was it scummy or not that he didn’t see that Brandi is female?
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Regarding the first paragraph, why do you think this is a game in which he’s scum using his meta to his advantage and not town who is keeping this meta? Also, you are using a generalisation to pinpoint somebody as scummy, which is something I see as scummy.
Also, why did you post the last paragraph?
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I don’t understand #2. Can you elaborate on it?
And I’d like to hear an explanation regarding #3. How is this different than saying ‘the town’, instead of ‘us’? Because it seems to me to be the same.
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The first paragraph seems to be an excuse. The parts of ‘I guess’ and where she states that she was going to look it up, are the reasons for this. Not liking it one bit.
The second paragraph makes it even worse as this is what ZEE tried to do and did.
Then came the part where CDB states that she is trying to gain credits, with which I agree.
Last is her calling CDB a hypocrite, while she’s the one being a hypocrite. Attacking ZEEnon for something she sees as a good thing and for wanting credits regarding the same thing.
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Of the two ZEEnon singled out,
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There lies within all of this by Tzeentch a defense of either Shotty to the Body or fallen angel. If one of those two are scum, Tzeentch should not be forgotten.
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I also think the vote on Brandi isn't great.
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Of the two ZEEnon singled out,
fallen angel
seems scummier than Shotty to the Body. I don't necessarily think they were derailing the game, but when you narrow down suspicions to 2/10 players, odds of one of them being scum aren't so bad.This is the scumminess I have in question. Since when were assumptions anything but early? Kind of seems like a scared reaction.fallen angel wrote:It is far too early, however, to make assumptions as you have been doing. That's bad. Really bad.
Also, this is terrible.fallen angel wrote:3.Implying his win condition isn't the town's win condition.
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Shotty to the Body
, on the other hand, has had a couple of good posts.This is particularly good posting with a good mix of information and analysis.Shotty to the Body wrote:At the very least the accusation his font is some devious scum ploy is down right ridiculous, it's just something to get used to. I thought it was thin of ZEE to claim either myself or FA was scum because of an off-topic convo, but asking people to bring it back on topic isn't a scum-tell I don't think. =\ Everyone's available to interpret that however they want, it could be malicious or not, but it is minor IMHO.
Shotty to the Body wrote:I feel like we had a good start pulling away, but I don't really see much to comment on in this conflict between Brandu and Delibird.
He shows no fear in ruffling feathers (no pun intended) with ChannelDelibird - good Town points.Shotty to the Body wrote:Analysis: Brandi starts leaning toward ZEEnon as scum after FA, Tzeentch, and Socio say similar things than you attack her for thinking ZEEnon is scum for starting a get out of RVS bandwagon as you call it. I don't really see why you chose her over any of the other players attacking ZEEnon however, the comment in post 56 is really minor at best, and you're also preventing a get out of RVS bandwagon by stopping Brandi from attacking ZEEnon. There ya go, I tried. Your argument is pointless because it circles that if you stop her from attacking ZEEnon we don't get out of RVS but if we try to stop you from attacking her we are also preventing the same. That's why I said there was little to comment on.
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I am finding a Neutral read. Some posts point Town, some point Scum.This is a load of smoke-blowing. One-liners with catch phrases that lack where the "false dichotomy" and "spurious reasons" actually are is bad.Tzeentch wrote:Cancel attack, attack Zeenon for a (clumsy) attempt to set up a false dichotomy so early, and for voting Fallen Angel for spurious reasons.
This is quite Town-sounding.Tzeentch wrote:One more thing: The sole purpose of the game is not to achieve the win condition. That is the aim of the game, but the purpose is to have fun. So shooting down conversation, to me, defeats the purpose of the game.
There lies within all of this by Tzeentch a defense of either Shotty to the Body or fallen angel. If one of those two are scum, Tzeentch should not be forgotten.
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- another Neutral read from me. The catch-up posts were timely and effective. Pro-Town.This seems off and slightly scummy. I would have expected town to ask Brandi what she "thought about SP's reasons for voting ZEEnon" without the first bit of that quote. Just seems like a bad jump in logic, or something weird.ZazieR wrote:You are voting ZEEnon for making bad cases. So I’d like to hear your thought about SP’s reasons for voting ZEEnon.
I also think the vote on Brandi isn't great.
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SocioPath trying to justify his vote on ZEEnon by coming up with a different case on ZEEnon is scummy. That case being terrible makes him the scummiest.
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ZazieR wrote:Scummy vote. Especially as he knows ZEEnon does this all the time.
Also, was it scummy or not that he didn’t see that Brandi is female?
Yes, it shows a lack of attention to detail, especially given that there was nothing to read to miss details from. Which would be lazy scum.
I'm saying his meta encourages him to take advantage of it while being scum. Like some players purposely act scummy, and then go 'I act that way all the time, its a null tell'.ZazieR wrote:Regarding the first paragraph, why do you think this is a game in which he’s scum using his meta to his advantage and not town who is keeping this meta? Also, you are using a generalisation to pinpoint somebody as scummy, which is something I see as scummy.
Also, why did you post the last paragraph?
I'm not calling him out for being scum, per se, but more so for having a formatting advantage for if he was to be scum.
In fact, as far as scummiest goes, that has changed in my eyes as the days have passed, due to the silence of the game. And I got what I needed from my vote.
Cancel Attack
But I'll get to that after I have some fun with inhim.
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inHimshallibe wrote:SocioPath's vote is awful. He should have stuck to sheeping along instead of trying to input something new that is simply a terrible, terrible case.
inHimshallibe wrote:SocioPath trying to justify his vote on ZEEnon by coming up with a different case on ZEEnon is scummy. That case being terrible makes him the scummiest.
Should have stuck to sheeping along?
Really? Really now?
I'm sorry, but how I play is I analyse people on my own terms. I don't base my reasons on other people's reasons. As logically, everything in my case is valid. I didn't vote for ZEEnon because I thought he was scum solely based off of meta reasons. I voted him because going from nothing, ZEEnon is by default the scummiest based off of meta reasons. Some players just have scummy playstyles, and I'm not one to let that slide.
Statistically speaking, he has a 25% chance to be scum.
And has a 100% chance to have a scummy meta.
Your vote for me BECAUSE of the fact my case was DIFFERENT is done in really poor taste. Even more 'terrible' than my case.
These words in particular just reek of scum:
inHimshallibe wrote:He should have stuck to sheeping along instead of trying to input something new
But I digress. Whether or not you are scum at this point is only second on my priority list.
FOS: inHimshallibescum
In more important news:
Lurkering, while calling out inactives to stop lurkering, is a blatantly scummy maneuver. For which my vote shall get placed.Riceballtail wrote:Well, I'd much rather hear from all of the players and decide who to pursue at that point, but my biggest concern is about ZEEnon. He's being particularly aggressive for the game having just started. My vote was directly intended to get Pim to make some posts. Since we have prods out now, then hopefully they'll come and participate.
My other concern right now is that FA is trying to push a ZEE lynch with the non-town win condition, when both the town and scum conditions are available. I'll likely move my vote to FA once we hear from the two absentees.
Attack: Riceballtail
At least until RBT comes up with some brilliant posts responding to such, because now both the people RBT was waiting for, have been replaced with people who have made content filled posts.
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By the point I had read SocioPath's post against ZEEnon, I had him as scummy, and when I read the rest of the thread he stood out as the scummiest.
Because I think he is scum, I made the "sheeping along" comment. I was merely noting he would have stayed more concealed had he done as I suggested. But, I already noted ZEEnon's wagon was filled with scum, that is to say the reasons for wanting him dead were not good. So here I see SocioPath trying to make a case that is seemingly
@SocioPath: Did you recognize the other case against ZEEnon? I'll go check.
Because I think he is scum, I made the "sheeping along" comment. I was merely noting he would have stayed more concealed had he done as I suggested. But, I already noted ZEEnon's wagon was filled with scum, that is to say the reasons for wanting him dead were not good. So here I see SocioPath trying to make a case that is seemingly
more
valid to tack onto ZEEnon. But that case was really, really bad. Thus my vote.@SocioPath: Did you recognize the other case against ZEEnon? I'll go check.
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