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Hm. Like his defense so far. I'll remove my vote for now.
I've still got an
Now, I'm going to reread to find some scummy people.
unvote: Kodamma
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FoS: Kodamma
though. No sense in dispelling all of my suspicion right off the bat.Now, I'm going to reread to find some scummy people.
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which part of his post u said overreacted?Faraday wrote:What about his reaction made him seem town? You think b/c he felt under threat he's more likely to be town? If that's the case then I flat out disagree, as it's a null tell. I actually thought heover-reacted a bitto a random bandwagon.
who else you think is "scum" or "town"?Shadow Knight wrote:After his response, I'm willing to back off a bit for now, but I'll still be watching him.His response seems to come from a townie mindset,which is really all I've got to go one at this point in the game. He's gotten himself back to even footing, but I'm not prepared to label him a townie yet. He's correct about his vote sparking discussion (and about it putting him in the spotlight).He gets bonus points for ending the RVS(which I've never been a fan of, but that just means I like him as a player). I like that we now have interactions to analyze for later in the game as well. Overall, I'd say I'm neutral on kodamma for now. Further posts from him will hopefull change that.
bonus? is this mean town read or scum read?
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This isn't necessarily a good thing, Kodamma. It's a common scum tactic to not try to promote any agenda, try not to ruffle any feathers (as Faraday himself pointed out), and hope to slide under anyone's suspicion. I'd rather see someone with a pushy agenda who lays it all out there.Kodamma wrote:I'm not saying that Faraday is "pure", merely that his intentions thus far seem pure. He does not seem to be promoting an agenda in any specific direction, merely is helping others along by providing a valid counterpoint.
Only because you're reading too much into my original case. He was the scummiest of any so far, but his unvote was super scummy and I buy his explanation for unvoting. It seems reasonable and logical that his explanation of the narrative is accurate.Faraday wrote:Mordy I have a hard time seeing much to cause you to unvote in Kodamma's last post, what in particular satisfied you enough to unvote.
I don't want to speak for someone else, but "low content posting" is not the same thing as lurking at all. They are similar tactics (in that they both try to produce very little noise), but not the same thing. And I don't see him pushing for lurker hunting. I will say, though, that his comment - as pragmatic as it might be - didn't strike me as particularly pro-Town. It sounded defeatist and seemed to be pushing for lax scum-hunting on the first day (which is definitely anti-town). As I understand it, Town's job is to push hard to find scum on the first day, and then lynch whoever strikes them as the likeliest scum (even if the information behind that lynch will be weaker than the information given on Day Two). You can maximize your odds, even on Day One. I don't think anyone should be throwing in the towel early.Faraday wrote:I don't like this at all. Seems like an excuse to go lurker hunting (not in and of itself a bad thing fwiw) and excusing scummy behaviour if people are active. I realise that's probably an oversimplification of what you're trying to say, but still this rubs me the wrong way.
Also, this:
In the middle of a long post, struck me as a tad opportunistic. As though he were saying, "Scum tend to hang back and make short posts on Day 1... but check out my long post. Clearly I'm not scum." Not a huge tell, but it caught my attention.Kodamma wrote:It has also been my experience that most scum spend Day 1 hanging back and making low content posts to let the town deal with themselves.
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But you still FoS him, right?mordy wrote:Only because you're reading too much into my original case. He was the scummiest of any so far, but his unvote was super scummy and I buy his explanation for unvoting. It seems reasonable and logical that his explanation of the narrative is accurate.
Do you FoS faraday for this. My read on faraday is that she is a helpful townie providing much insight into this situation. Do I think she's town? So far yes. Will I continue prodding and questioning faraday? Of course.Mordy wrote:This isn't necessarily a good thing, Kodamma. It's a common scum tactic to not try to promote any agenda, try not to ruffle any feathers (as Faraday himself pointed out), and hope to slide under anyone's suspicion. I'd rather see someone with a pushy agenda who lays it all out there.
Do you see anyone doing this and find them scummy for it?kodamma wrote:My gut in all of this though is that in my experience, Day 1 is usually spent with a lot of active town, tripping over their own discussions and quicly laid suspicions, resulting in us lynching one of our own and then re-evaluating on Day 2 as the scum have then killed whichever one of us during Day 1 was having the most productive discussions. It has also been my experience that most scum spend Day 1 hanging back and making low content posts to let the town deal with themselves.
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I agree with most things being said right now about Kodamma, I can't formulate a concisive post right now so I'll just nod my head at things Faraday said, especially about Kodamma trying to please everyone. Town isn't afraid to piss people off, because a town player doesn't care if people are getting along or not, they only want to lynch scum. Town doesn't have to be friends with eachother, just work together. Amateur scum somehow gets this idea in its head that if they buddy up with everybody and work the charm, nobody is going to lynch them
Heads up scum. Being buddy-buddy with the town doesn't mean a thing. We'll lynch you anyway. So Kodamma and anybody else, you might as well stop playing the social game now because there is no social game to be played.
I'm going to go ahead and vote Kodamma...The straw thats breaking my camel's back right now is his overly flowery typing. I feel like he's trying to look like he's saying alot without really saying anything at all...it might be nothing, but it's making me uncomfortable enough to go ahead and vote. I feel like he's hiding something.
Heads up scum. Being buddy-buddy with the town doesn't mean a thing. We'll lynch you anyway. So Kodamma and anybody else, you might as well stop playing the social game now because there is no social game to be played.
I'm going to go ahead and vote Kodamma...The straw thats breaking my camel's back right now is his overly flowery typing. I feel like he's trying to look like he's saying alot without really saying anything at all...it might be nothing, but it's making me uncomfortable enough to go ahead and vote. I feel like he's hiding something.
Vote: Kodamma
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Actually Faraday does bring up a good point here, his post seems too benign and conciliatory, coupled with the unvote. However, this could possibly genuinely be a mistake on his part. As to Kodamma's point about him feeling that Boxman was threatened, I'd agree on the part that Boxman seemed very confused and worried, and I myself felt that, but that was due to my relative inexperience at the time.Faraday 97 wrote:You seem to be tring too hard to appease everyone, like you don't want to ruffle anyones feathers.
With that said, Faraday is right that the chances of Boxman getting accidentally lynched are low; I just recently realized that the amount to lynch here is 7 as opposed to 4 (in newbie games). Nonetheless, I feel inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt in his bandwagon vote/unvote for the time being.
Could you just clarify what this means, I'm not exactly too sure what a townie mindset refers to and how Kodamma reflects it.ShadowKnight 99 wrote:His response seems to come from a townie mindset
Not necessarily true, although it is a good point to keep in mind. However, why are you saying this? It feels a bit off to me for some reason, especially your direct address to scum. I can't off the top of my head give a perfect explanation for why it seems off, but it does catch my eye. I'd FOS, but I'd like to hear more from Ross on this. As for FOS'ing Kodamma, I'm still undecided whether his unvote and reaction was a townie mistake or a scum cover up. I'll hopefully decide soon though, after sifting through some more content.Ross wrote:Town isn't afraid to piss people off, because a town player doesn't care if people are getting along or not, they only want to lynch scum. Town doesn't have to be friends with eachother, just work together. Amateur scum somehow gets this idea in its head that if they buddy up with everybody and work the charm, nobody is going to lynch them
It actually caught my eye too. I think it's because something about proffering advice to scum rubs me the wrong way. I don't think that was the point (it seemed like more of a rhetorical flourish to make a more passionate argument), but it was still there.
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True enough, although I would disagree that I'm doing anything like that i.e. trying not to ruffle feathers/slide by.Not really sure I understand this. I think the whole 'wtf' response from him was a tad of an over-reaction. Not even sure if that's what you're asking though.Tjoe Min Ja wrote:which part of his post u said overreacted?Faraday wrote:What about his reaction made him seem town? You think b/c he felt under threat he's more likely to be town? If that's the case then I flat out disagree, as it's a null tell. I actually thought heover-reacted a bitto a random bandwagon.
MordyS wrote: This isn't necessarily a good thing, Kodamma. It's a common scum tactic to not try to promote any agenda, try not to ruffle any feathers (as Faraday himself pointed out), and hope to slide under anyone's suspicion. I'd rather see someone with a pushy agenda who lays it all out there.
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@ Mordy: That's probably fair enough re: the Low content vs lurkers thing, but I still don't really like it. I see your point though.
Starbuck you still have your vote on MordyS. Who would you say is your second suspect at this point?
And don is the only one who hasn't posted recently afaik. Not sure if he's within prod range or anything though, as we're moving at quite a fast pace.
Still very happy w/ my vote though, ftr.[/mech]
God I don't like thisRossWilliam wrote: Heads up scum. Being buddy-buddy with the town doesn't mean a thing. We'll lynch you anyway. So Kodamma and anybody else, you might as well stop playing the social game now because there is no social game to be played.
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. It seems completely off, and even forced. Starbuck you still have your vote on MordyS. Who would you say is your second suspect at this point?
And don is the only one who hasn't posted recently afaik. Not sure if he's within prod range or anything though, as we're moving at quite a fast pace.
Still very happy w/ my vote though, ftr.[/mech]
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When I say townie mindset, I mean that it seems like something I would post as town without sounding too... contrived is the only word I can think of to use here right now.
Bonus points don't mean town or scum (or I would have called them townie points for scum points). I just meant that I like him as a player more because he ended the RVS quickly. I meant it when I said as far as town/scum goes, my reading on him is neutral.
While townies aren't afraid to piss people off, good townies realize that while the spotlight is on them, it isn't on scum. I generally try to keep my head down during the first day unless I spot a blatant scumtell.
Bonus points don't mean town or scum (or I would have called them townie points for scum points). I just meant that I like him as a player more because he ended the RVS quickly. I meant it when I said as far as town/scum goes, my reading on him is neutral.
While townies aren't afraid to piss people off, good townies realize that while the spotlight is on them, it isn't on scum. I generally try to keep my head down during the first day unless I spot a blatant scumtell.
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Oh, MordyS, you know what? I totally didn't think of it as advice to scum, and now that you've pointed it out I'm like, Ooooh....yeah. My bad. But it's not the kind of advice that will actually get him anywhere. I was just trying to make my argument more powerful, since it was the only new basis for my vote, so oh well...I guess I should stick to just writing normally, so I don't come of as forced.
But anyway, Kodamma is afraid to get people upset at him...It's like he either thinks town will vote him to lynch if he pisses them off, or than town will protect him from lynch if he gets along with us.
But anyway, Kodamma is afraid to get people upset at him...It's like he either thinks town will vote him to lynch if he pisses them off, or than town will protect him from lynch if he gets along with us.
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You're right, I don't really have a reason why I'm not voting. I guess it's because I don't know who to vote for. There are a lot of good lynch candidates. I'm going to do a read through and vote later if you don't mind. Right now I'm going to adress some other things.faraday wrote: Could the people not voting explain why, it seems like there's no reason not to have your vote on someone.
You're right about this. While the towns main role is to lynch scum they also have another objective: To not get lynched as to improve the chances of lynching scum.SK wrote:While townies aren't afraid to piss people off, good townies realize that while the spotlight is on them, it isn't on scum. I generally try to keep my head down during the first day unless I spot a blatant scumtell.
Finally, I would like to hear more from Starbuck. She hasn't posted much since that discussion with Mordy. Starbuck- Do you still think Mordy is scummy? Do you think anyone else is scummier now?
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That's true, I'm just trying to decide whether his actions were genuinely scummy or a townie mistake. I guess the problem with this though is that it's really hard to distinguish between the two, I'm really 50/50 on it, hence the no vote on Kodamma for now.Faraday wrote:Yeh this while probably correct, tells us nothing about his alignment.
With regards to voting in general, I personally see my vote as being final, but nobody has 100% seemed scummy to me just yet. However,
This seems like a really awkward and very, well, "forced" response to what people pointed out. Not really liking it, but I don't know if it's so much of a scumtell; however, his explanation for why he said it is pretty much a restatement of what Mordy said, albeit in other terms. Either Mordy was dead on, or Ross is forcing an explanation.RossWilliams wrote: Oh, MordyS, you know what? I totally didn't think of it as advice to scum, and now that you've pointed it out I'm like, Ooooh....yeah. My bad. But it's not the kind of advice that will actually get him anywhere. I was just trying to make my argument more powerful, since it was the only new basis for my vote, so oh well...I guess I should stick to just writing normally, so I don't come of as forced.
I don't like this either really, not only is it a restatement of what he already said/what others had already said, it's also stating the obvious. Not to mention, he's almost assuming that Kodamma possesses this particular mindset, as if he knows what Kodamma is thinking.Ross wrote: But anyway, Kodamma is afraid to get people upset at him...It's like he either thinks town will vote him to lynch if he pisses them off, or than town will protect him from lynch if he gets along with us.
I don't know, it just seems very off to me, and it seems like Ross is pretty much trying to go with the flow of the town right now by repeating what people said without bringing new insight, and that is off for pretty obvious reasons.
With that said, I'm going to have to
FOS: RossWilliams
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RossWilliam wrote:I agree with most things being said right now about Kodamma, I can't formulate a concisive post right now soI'll just nod my head at things Faraday said, especially about Kodamma trying to please everyone. Town isn't afraid to piss people off, because a town player doesn't care if people are getting along or not, they only want to lynch scum. Town doesn't have to be friends with eachother, just work together. Amateur scum somehow gets this idea in its head that if they buddy up with everybody and work the charm, nobody is going to lynch them
Heads up scum. Being buddy-buddy with the town doesn't mean a thing. We'll lynch you anyway. So Kodamma and anybody else, you might as well stop playing the social game now because there is no social game to be played.
I'm going to go ahead and vote Kodamma...The straw thats breaking my camel's back right now is his overly flowery typing. I feel like he's trying to look like he's saying alot without really saying anything at all...it might be nothing, but it's making me uncomfortable enough to go ahead and vote. I feel like he's hiding something.
Vote: Kodamma
FOS : Ross
1. which part you disagree?
2. trying to please everyone isn't that scummy. especially when he is being voted. town and scum may act the same.
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Finish game :
Mini 838: Jeopardy in Jefferson -over- Town - lose
Mini 839 -- Mafia Invasion! -over- scum win
Mini 840. Tajo's I love you Mafia -over- scum - win
StrangerCoug's Worst Nightmare: D├â┬®j├â┬á Bastard -over- Town - win
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Finish game :
Mini 838: Jeopardy in Jefferson -over- Town - lose
Mini 839 -- Mafia Invasion! -over- scum win
Mini 840. Tajo's I love you Mafia -over- scum - win
StrangerCoug's Worst Nightmare: D├â┬®j├â┬á Bastard -over- Town - win
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Uh, no Tjoe, trying to please everybody
And I'm not trying to pretend that I can read Kodamma's mind, which is why I'm not voting him for just buddying up to everybody alone.
And it's hard to defend the validity of something to someone who's only complaint is that it's awkward. "forced" is the word of the week apparently, but if my posts are consistantly that way, it's just a player trait...If I was doing something out of the ordinary it would be weird....Do a meta on me if your feeling diehard, I get that awkward reaction alot in these games.
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when votes are cast. It's like a last ditch effort to get people to unvote because your being nice to them.And I'm not trying to pretend that I can read Kodamma's mind, which is why I'm not voting him for just buddying up to everybody alone.
And it's hard to defend the validity of something to someone who's only complaint is that it's awkward. "forced" is the word of the week apparently, but if my posts are consistantly that way, it's just a player trait...If I was doing something out of the ordinary it would be weird....Do a meta on me if your feeling diehard, I get that awkward reaction alot in these games.
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[quote"Ross"]Uh, no Tjoe, trying to please everybody IS scummy, especially when votes are cast. It's like a last ditch effort to get people to unvote because your being nice to them.[/quote]
Actually this isn't always true. If someone is being nice to everyone to get people to like them and not vote them, then that is hugly scummy. However, if someone is just a nice person and trying to please people is just part of their nature then it is not scummy. As with Kodamma I can't tell if it is his nature or if he's scummy however at this point I'm leaning towards scummy.
As for my read through and how I can't decide who I'm going to vote. I read through last night and I'm finding myself pretty evenly split between Ross and kodamma. So right now I am going to
Actually this isn't always true. If someone is being nice to everyone to get people to like them and not vote them, then that is hugly scummy. However, if someone is just a nice person and trying to please people is just part of their nature then it is not scummy. As with Kodamma I can't tell if it is his nature or if he's scummy however at this point I'm leaning towards scummy.
As for my read through and how I can't decide who I'm going to vote. I read through last night and I'm finding myself pretty evenly split between Ross and kodamma. So right now I am going to
Vote: kodamma
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See db's last post, as well as Shadow's post 113. It's not necessarily scummy. Therefore, it's either or, however:Ross wrote:Uh, no Tjoe, trying to please everybody IS scummy, especially when votes are cast. It's like a last ditch effort to get people to unvote because your being nice to them.
Judging by your posts, the reasons you're voting him are 1) Because he's trying to buddy up to everyone and 2) Because Faraday said so. Umm?Ross wrote: And I'm not trying to pretend that I can read Kodamma's mind, which is why I'm not voting him for just buddying up to everybody alone.
Fair enough, but you also forgot this:Ross wrote:And it's hard to defend the validity of something to someone who's only complaint is that it's awkward. "forced" is the word of the week apparently, but if my posts are consistantly that way, it's just a player trait...
As for other reads, I'm keeping track of other players as we progress.Roland wrote:I don't like this either really, not only is it a restatement of what he already said/what others had already said, it's also stating the obvious.
Faraday, for one, seems largely pro town due to his active scum hunting efforts. To consider all possibilities, however, there may be a chance that he is scum acting overly pro-townie (which is why I don't agree with Ross's argument that scum act one way and town act another way), but there really is no way to determine this until later on in the game when more things have happened. For now, I see him as pro-town.
As for db, I'm getting a fairly neutral read from him so far in the game; his posts have been insightful and he's been contributing to discussion in hunting scum.
Shadow has only posted a few times, if I recall correctly, but again I'm getting a neutral read. Nothing stands out too much, but he has been contributing when he has posted.
I'll get further reads hopefully later on in the day or tomorrow, I have a social to go to in about half an hour.
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Shadow-If I recall correctly you haven't stated an FoS or voted yet (although please correct me if I'm wrong) Who do you FoS and why?
Also, Starbuck is reaching her 72 hour period and I would love to hear from her soon (I would rather give her a day or soon before prodding to give her some breathing room first. I don't know whats going on in her life so I'll wait) although if anyone else wants her to be prodded feel free to ask the mod.
And last but not least boxman
Also, Starbuck is reaching her 72 hour period and I would love to hear from her soon (I would rather give her a day or soon before prodding to give her some breathing room first. I don't know whats going on in her life so I'll wait) although if anyone else wants her to be prodded feel free to ask the mod.
And last but not least boxman
This was the last post he gave. I want to hear what he got from rereading if any as well.boxman wrote:Hm. Like his defense so far. I'll remove my vote for now. unvote: Kodamma
I've still got an FoS: Kodamma though. No sense in dispelling all of my suspicion right off the bat.
Now, I'm going to reread to find some scummy people.
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Finish game :
Mini 838: Jeopardy in Jefferson -over- Town - lose
Mini 839 -- Mafia Invasion! -over- scum win
Mini 840. Tajo's I love you Mafia -over- scum - win
StrangerCoug's Worst Nightmare: D├â┬®j├â┬á Bastard -over- Town - win
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Finish game :
Mini 838: Jeopardy in Jefferson -over- Town - lose
Mini 839 -- Mafia Invasion! -over- scum win
Mini 840. Tajo's I love you Mafia -over- scum - win
StrangerCoug's Worst Nightmare: D├â┬®j├â┬á Bastard -over- Town - win
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I may know whatTjoe was trying to say so I'll try to explain.
Now I think Tjoe was wondering what you disagree about what people are saying against kodamma. Meaning a lot of people are talking about kodamma. You agree with most. What are the things you don't agree with. I hope I've explained it well and you can answer it soon.Ross wrote:I agree with most things being said right now about Kodamma