Zachtown in the mountains (Game over TOWN WINS!)

[Elmo]

Hes been very quick to defend people who look scummy,

I've laid out precisely why IAI

doesn't

look scummy. If you think I'm wrong, critique what I said; otherwise you're just saying I've acted quickly, which is pro-town if anything.

seems to know something we don't add to that his post in #81..

Be specific? What conclusion of mine doesn't follow from what's in-thread?

it looks like he is seriously buddying IAI

So you think IAI is town? Why wouldn't I just agree vocally with Benmage and try to push IAI's lynch? I'm pretty sure this wagon would go places if pushed sufficiently, because there's no-one else defending him. Why should I buddy with IAI when I can just get him lynched?

[RedCoyote]

IAM had indicated the plan by Benmage was scummy, Sotty rightly questioned himn over why he wasnt voting if he thought the plan was scummy. I would have done the same

Yeah, we covered that.

Goodness, I think everyone here would probably benefit from slowing down and reading a little more carefully. XD

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It's filler posting. Thats why its scummy.

No, it's not. For the same reason it can't be written off as IIoA. If he would've just posted the statistics, then you may have something. As it stands, he made it a point to give analysis.

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I have never played with him so am curious to know what you mean.

You don't remember me, jason?

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I mean that Red is a very capable player so him making a mistake that was so obvious was out of character. The more I think about it, the more it is probably null. Nobody is perfect after all. But I'm not discounting the possibility of scum Red screwing with my mind.

No worries, it was a genuine mistake. I think I saw IAI's post, but then I saw your vote and immediately I went back to the earlier IAI post (40) because I didn't remember him saying that the plan was scummy. When I confirmed it, I just moved on from that point and onto the next page to write my own post.

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Do you know what else is a scum tell...voting for yourself.

This is a null tell. That's about the earliest I've ever seen anyone "give up" though. IAI, I think you should take a step back from this game a lurk for a day or two. Just read what other people say and come back to it after a while. You don't need to make a post every few hours, and you certainly don't have to beat yourself up over three votes. The people most unimpressed with you are among the most vocal, but that doesn't mean they make up the majority. This game has many weeks to go yet. Just calm down and roll with the punches, bud.

In other news, I don't have much to bring to the plate offensively at the moment. Elmo, Percy, Sotty, Oso... all making valid points and good posts. benmage is a little sloppy but, like IAI, I don't really see anything sinister about him.

[Benmage]

Post 94 mon, obv misrep /scum can you find it? Will show later and deal with innocent who after this game really needs to ho back to the newbie section. I am not opposed to his lynch/being replaced out.

[Elmo]

In other news, I don't have much to bring to the plate offensively at the moment. Elmo, Percy, Sotty, Oso... all making valid points and good posts.

..you think Oso's #57 falls under that? Because his posting is that plus a defence of that.

[RedCoyote]

I don't particularly have a problem with it; Oso made a valid argument, even if it was wrong. I also see your point against it though, Elmo.

I don't agree with either of y'all though.

[Elmo]

My point against it being (partially) that it wasn't valid?

???

[Zachrulez]

Vote Count #3 of D1 P1

Nikanor - 3 (Locke Lamora, RedCoyote, Sotty7)
I Am Innocent - 2 (Benmage, I Am Innocent)
Redcoyote - 2 (KaleiÐoscøpe, Oso)
Jasont1981 - 1 (Nikanor)
KaleiÐoscøpe - 1 (Dry-fit)
Sotty7 - 1 (Percy)
Oso - 1 (Elmo)
Benmage - 1 (Mongoose)
Elmo - 1 (JasonT1981)

Not Voting: (Mina, Furcolow, Imkingdavid)

If I made any mistakes, please politely point them out and I will correct them.

Deadline for (Both phases of) Day 1 is Thursday November 11 at 12pm CST

With 16 alive it's 9 to lynch.

[Dry-fit]

To be honest, I don't feel like IAI is as anti-town as he has been made out to be.

Really? You don't think his self-voting tantrum was anti-town? And what is the purpose of your unvote?

unvote. Vote: Oso.

He's put far too much effort into analyzing the votes on him. I also agree that his attack on Red is stretching.

[Percy]

Percy says:

Sotty's question struck me as deliberately aggrevating. It boiled down to "You said all this serious stuff about Benmage, why didn't you serious vote?".

Seems like a trap for IAI

- like either he's

disingenuous or he's timid

.

In the post right after, Sotty says:

It looked like you were trying to dirty benmage for what he said in pregame and if you legitimately thought what he did was scummy you should have voted. Instead you threw out a random vote,

it feels disingenuous

.

Right out of my mouth, hilarious.

The trap is that you set up a fight, and the one that backs down first is mislynch potential. Their interaction with their victorious opponent is then more than enough content for you to spin into something scummy. It's a great way for scum to start the day!

@Sotty7

: IAI was sensible in his response. He said that he didn't want to serious vote right away, but that Benmage was worth watching. What's wrong with that?

I saw Oso's point in 57, even though I didn't agree to the same extent. There's something off about RedCoyote. The facts he put together were worth stating. Oso was aggressive (which could make it a playstyle thing). IAI voting Oso without stating reasons is weird, especially since he'd talked about other stuff. Elmo at least elaborated later, his characterisation of Oso's post as "grandiose" was spot on, but I'd like to hear from Oso again.

Self-vote, IAI? Oh fucking what the fuck.

Oh my God. I hate irritating "self-sacrificing" Vanilla Townies who think they're being

soooo

selfless by handing the scum a free mislynch on a silver platter.

Quoted for truth. Stop whining and get back in the game.

This is why I hate this situation; the degree of yelling at each other and just plain not listening means that pretty soon, people will get the idea that exactly one of Benmage or IAI must be scum into their heads.

Yeah, and this is why Sotty is scum. When IAI is no longer a candidate for a mislynch (because he exploded like a VI-bomb), Sotty jumps onto the next biggest wagon.

I'm not against the Nikanor wagon though, his one post was pretty crappy.

Vote: still awesome.

[Furcolow]

I'm here. My girlfriend is in the other room, and we are arguing.
I have to catchup on an ongoing game, and have 5 pages to read here. I might have to put it off for a few hours... probably less.
Anyone want to give me a quick synopsis?
What is the best wagon? Nikanor, IAmInnocent, RedCoyote, Oso?
I see some people are not on the wagons with multiple votes, yet lynching is good for town D1 as it gives the uninformed side of things we're on information.

Promise to catchup. I know the setup is open, too, does anyone have any idea as to the most likely setup(s)? I'd like to know for analysis. I believe I will be making a word document or spreadsheet this game, just to try something new.

[Mina]

Sorry. An ongoing game was sucking my soul out last night, and I fell asleep before getting around to this one.

I agree with Sotty and Elmo that I am Innocent vs. Benmage looks like town vs. town (at least in retrospect). I sided with Benmage in their early interaction; I thought Benmage had a point that IaI's early posts were IIoA when everyone had agreed, and Benmage quickly correcting himself when he noticed his mistake. Also, Benmage bullying people is a null tell.

I'm a bit annoyed. Because IaI made so many bad arguments before that self-vote, and on principle, throwing an antitown hissy fit shouldn't manipulate people off his wagon...but it feels genuine. Call me a sucker, but I'm buying it. So I'll direct my attention elsewhere.

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This is a horrible wall, but I'm better at poking at random stuff that sticks out than at coming to solid reads based on all that random stuff. Questions and noteworthy stuff it in chronological order:

Page One

Wouldn't it make more sense to lynch the first day and then see what we decide from there?

This was something I'd meant to ask you on in pregame before being side-tracked by another game. By "see what we decide from there," were you arguing that we should use both lynches, or just that we should lynch first before no-voting?

Percy, do you genuinely believe that Benmage and RedCoyote are more likely to be scum because they stated loudly in the thread that they weren't scum? Or were you joking? Because you never follow up on that line of questioning at at all. It seems like a bit of an easy dig.

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Page Two

Most of this is RVS votes and Benmage v. IaI back and forth that I've already given my opinions on.

Only thing that sticks out:

Make sense?

Um...this is...cryptic. Exactly whom are you replying to here?

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I don't think IAI's numbers are IIoA, because he clearly states after giving us the information that he doesn't like the plan. Additionally, he isn't saying that Benmage is scummy for suggesting it, he's just crunching the numbers for the town's benefit. Benmage getting defensive looks significantly worse than anything else here.

Oso already pointed out that IaI

had

called Benmage scummy, but explain what you mean by "defensive." What in particular about Benmage's reaction was suspicious? How do you think Town Benmage should have reacted?

Hey Locke, who do you think will win this game, town or mafia?

This is random. Nikanor, why are you only asking Locke this? And what do you expect to learn about his alignment from his answer?

Unvote; Vote: Nikanor for not catching that before Oso did.

This is the lamest vote ever, and feels like deflection. If you can't keep track of your own posts, why do you expect Nikanor to do it for you? Now, if you think not noticing you made a mistake is scummier, how is writing a whole case based on that mistake scummy?

jason, when you wrote this post, did you notice that Oso had already said the same thing about I am Innocent noticing. You don't bring anything new to the table.

Attacking mongoose's #62 feels like shooting fish in a barrel...but

eww

. I'm curious as to why all those who accused IAI of IIoA said nothing about this post.

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Page Four

Disagree with most of jason's arguments on this page (he tends to exaggerate minor things as scummy), but I'm having trouble deciding if they're disingenuous.

Not crazy about how Sotty planted a seed of doubt against RedCoyote by implying that maybe, just

maybe

, he'd planned his slip on purpose...because he's crafty, you know...but oh,

no

, she's not accusing him of anything, just

speculating

.

Imkingdavid and mongoose have a contest on who can be more noncommittal and middle-of-the-road. I'm torn on who's scummier (and whether their behaviour can be attributed to n00bishness). On the one hand, at least mongoose provides actual opinions and a vote. On the other hand, Imkingdavid's reaction to IaI seems real-ish, and mongoose qualifies every opinion with "I dunno, he could be town, but he could also be scum."

I agree with this post. I think the people who lead discussion away from lynching tend to be scum, and the stats didn't help this. However, I am innocent does list his suspicions and they seem to be decent so for now I think he is town.

Why exactly do you think I am Innocent's suspicions were decent? Which ones in particular were decent?

I think it's extremely obvious that IAI was mistaken about if/when Benmage retracted his plan. It's possible for him to be mafia and mistaken, but being mistaken is still null. I also think it's fairly obvious that Benmage isn't really taking IAI's defence on board, which fits with my impression of Ben from the last time we played together.

This is the one area where I see jason's POV. Why are you speaking for IAI? Let IAI answer for himself if he was mistaken about the timing. In fact, Benmage actually quoted the post in which he'd retracted the plan, and IAI misinterpreted it.

Page Five

In other news, I don't have much to bring to the plate offensively at the moment. Elmo, Percy, Sotty, Oso... all making valid points and good posts. benmage is a little sloppy but, like IAI, I don't really see anything sinister about him.

This feels like sucking up.

Really? You don't think his self-voting tantrum was anti-town? And what is the purpose of your unvote?

unvote. Vote: Oso. He's put far too much effort into analyzing the votes on him. I also agree that his attack on Red is stretching.

I rate this first non RVS-post of the game a 3/10 for effort.

I'll let Imkingdavid answer himself on his definition of "antitown," but do you suspect I am Innocent, dry-fit? Do you think his behaviour is a sign of scumminess?

I think I'll just sit on the sidelines and watch the Percy-Sotty debate unfold before weighing in.

Question to all those voting Nikanor or saying you support his wagon after Locke cast the first vote for him: what in particular makes you suspect Nikanor over another lurker? Is it just that he's already a viable bandwagon?
==========================================================
tl;dr:

Too many players need to step it up. Furcolow, Kaleidoscope, Nikanor, Locke...

I've changed the vote at the end of this page several times. Of the stronger players who are actually playing the game, I suspect Red Coyote most, although I get the occasional paranoid niggle from others. I'd originally thought Oso was town, but Elmo has a good point about how he immediately interpreted RC's slip in the worst possible way.

But on second thought...this may be picking on the newbie, but I'd like to try something.

VOTE: mongoose

That said, I may change this when I get a chance to do some meta research into his ordinary playstyle.

Actually being

caught up

after a catch up post feels awesome. Yay for games that don't grow two pages an hour!

EBWOPreview: I was going to ask Zach to prod Furc, but apparently he's posted...and is probably scum. Goody. I may just change my vote to him tomorrow.

[Mina]

EBWOP: I see I didn't finish proofreading a lot of that post, but the only time I think it obscured my meaning:

jason, when you wrote this post, did you notice that Oso had already said the same thing about I am Innocent noticing. You don't bring anything new to the table.

I meant to say, "did you notice that Oso had already said the same thing about IaI calling Benmage scummy?"

Also, I mischaracterized I am Innocent's response to Benmage. This is what he said:

Information Instead of Analysis? I analyzed the one thing worth analyzing so far. Your initial scummy plan. Yeah you nixed it, after you were called on it. I just took the call on it and completely blew it up in your face.

Elmo,

where the hell

did you get the idea that I am Innocent had missed that post in the first place? Again, why are you making excuses for him instead of reading the thread?

Oh! And something I wanted to ask Percy about:

(Also, Benmage said he forgot that the flips weren't instantaneous, but it sure looks to me like he read the OP and didn't read the Rules post.)

So what do you think the scum motivation of this would be?

[Furcolow]

So my first move was to make sure town understood that every lynch should be used, it is in our best interest. Next was to see if Benmage is a poor playing townie or opportunistic scum. So far

his play falls under the poor playing townie category

.

Okay. Why do you think that?

QFT. I'd like to know this as well considering I already corrected myself over a misinterpretation...so to suggest I'm playing poorly...is simply trying to undermine me.

Probably the way Ben attacked Percy for attacking Sotty for questioning me in Post 53. Ben has that newbie feel of someone trying so hard so early in the game, like he has everything all figured out and won't budge. All in all, I don't suspect scum to draw this much attention so early on.

Ben, I really do think you are townie.

If you are, step back and look for a minute and stop being so dang stubborn:

1) Do you know that INCLUDING THE PREGAME CHAT, 7 of the 16 players have 2 posts or less. Do you think there is a chance that the three scum could be laying low, watching this all play out and smiling. One player has yet to POST AT ALL!
2) I have never put out the statistics like that before. I could have blended in and random voted like everybody else.

But I thought it was essential that town use all its lynches

. NOBODY BEFORE I POSTED THAT SAID THAT WE SHOULD USE ALL OUR LYNCHES THROUGHOUT THE GAME. I was clarifying, because nobody else had. I can guarantee you one thing, if I was scum, there ain't no way I am shooting out the statistics cause my hope and prayer would be less lynches and more nk's. Think about it.

As of post #70, you can REALLY BELIEVE SOMEONE IS A TOWNIE?
I'm not fucking buying this

[Furcolow]

you know, this stat talk is really getting away from the actual objective of finding and lynching scum. I would suspect scum would be happy to drag discussion away from scum hunting in anyway possible maybe even perhaps lead the discussion away.....

QFT
I'm not trying to spotlight, here, but I have a few reads

[Furcolow]

why are you asking pointless questions?

Oh right, you like to talk about pointless filler stuff...and pointless questions because you are scum. Right.

I haven't read pg 4 and on...will do so with more time... V/la now tho.

QFT and bookmarked for me
I agree with benmage on IaI

vote: i am innocent

i'll read 4+ tomorrow

[Percy]

Percy, do you genuinely believe that Benmage and RedCoyote are more likely to be scum because they stated loudly in the thread that they weren't scum? Or were you joking? Because you never follow up on that line of questioning at at all. It seems like a bit of an easy dig.

Oh it was. It bothered me when Benmage said it, because it's just WIFOM garbage. Then when RC said "me too" I was annoyed, and snapped, and joked at the same time - with wit!
Of course it was too early to actually start deciding alignments, and I didn't think town would gain anything with me overthinking and overanalysing the absolutely null exchange.
Am I obligated to follow up on my reads directly? And if it was an "easy dig", is it any easier than saying "I'm so sad I'm not scum, SO SAD. SRSLY guys SO SAD, **SO SAD**, I'm town and SO SO SAD"?

Oh! And something I wanted to ask Percy about:

(Also, Benmage said he forgot that the flips weren't instantaneous, but it sure looks to me like he read the OP and didn't read the Rules post.)

So what do you think the scum motivation of this would be?

It's a lie. Scum lie. Scum lie to make themselves sound better. But sometimes people lie to make themselves sound better, even when they're not scum, because they want to cover for their mistakes. Maybe it's not a lie, maybe he genuinely read the rules post and the OP and still didn't get the instantaneous flips thing, and then proceeded to forget about it and kick up a big fuss.
But I think it's a lie, and it's worth noting.

[Elmo]

Information Instead of Analysis? I analyzed the one thing worth analyzing so far. Your initial scummy plan. Yeah you nixed it, after you were called on it. I just took the call on it and completely blew it up in your face.

Elmo,

where the hell

did you get the idea that I am Innocent had missed that post in the first place? Again, why are you making excuses for him instead of reading the thread?

I'm not sure what you're objecting to ("again"?) - reread my #69? My view is that IAI missed post #13, not post #9. I don't see anything that contradicts that, and IAI saying Ben nixed it

after

he was called out directly implies that, to me. (I think it's clear by now that IAI is not terribly precise in what he says, e.g. referring to the plan as 'scummy' when he thinks people who propose it are mostly townies.)

Ben, I really do think you are townie.

As of post #70, you can REALLY BELIEVE SOMEONE IS A TOWNIE?
I'm not fucking buying this

I believed Benmage is town, perhaps even earlier than that. Do you think there's a problem with that?

[Nikanor]

What made you come to that conclusion based on that quoted statement? I would think scum have day talk.

It says night talk, and the only modifier to the usual unlimited night talk that I can think of is limited night talk. Where are you getting day talk from?

On the Double Day page, Cell F16, it shows 39.04% winning pct. That is the exact number I got if we use all our lynches (39/61). Nik this is far from 50/50...

I guess I should have double-checked the numbers myself, but I could have sworn I told Zach exactly how many people to use.

Very anti-town behavior here. If you have nothing to hide, you would supply this information willingly.

"You would" means you think he has something to hide. You stated earlier that you thought Benmage was town. This is scummy.

This is random. Nikanor, why are you only asking Locke this? And what do you expect to learn about his alignment from his answer?

Locke and I *used to* have a perfect win record when we were on the same team (which I believe has happened every game so far). Basically, I asked him his alignment.

The jasonwagonofone needs more love. This is just terrible, and this combined with jason's attacks on IAI makes jason obvscum. More votes over here please.

One last question. Elmo, would you consider yourself a gut player?

[Elmo]

Mina: Ah, I see it. I missed it because I was skimming and my name wasn't there.

Attacking mongoose's #62 feels like shooting fish in a barrel...but

eww

. I'm curious as to why all those who accused IAI of IIoA said nothing about this post.

I'd have to agree with this.

I think it's extremely obvious that IAI was mistaken about if/when Benmage retracted his plan. It's possible for him to be mafia and mistaken, but being mistaken is still null. I also think it's fairly obvious that Benmage isn't really taking IAI's defence on board, which fits with my impression of Ben from the last time we played together.

This is the one area where I see jason's POV. Why are you speaking for IAI? Let IAI answer for himself if he was mistaken about the timing.

Because I think he's town and not very good at speaking. He's had ample opportunity to say either that or something that clearly explains why he said it, and he hasn't done it; in fact, he's sorta imploded instead. Also, I've been playing Phoenix Wright a lot, and I feel like defending someone

In fact, Benmage actually quoted the post in which he'd retracted the plan, and IAI misinterpreted it.

How did he misinterpret it? It's not terribly easy to follow what IAI's saying, so maybe I've got the wrong end of the stick.

[Elmo]

One last question. Elmo, would you consider yourself a gut player?

Mmhm. To whatever extent the dichotomy's valid, anyway.

[RedCoyote]

My point against it being (partially) that it wasn't valid?

Look, I'm saying you have a fair argument against Oso. I could easily see Oso trying to make a big stink over something minor in anticipation of me having to admit missing a crucial piece of information. On the same token, Oso had a point to call me out, and he has since tapered down his sense of grandiosity, as you labeled it.

It's a wash.

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I see some people are not on the wagons with multiple votes, yet lynching is good for town D1 as it gives the uninformed side of things we're on information.

How do you suppose we remedy that? With discussion, with cases, with responses... all of which everyone should be taking a part of. There's no reason to lecture about the importance of bandwagons 5 pages into a game. How contrived sounding.

I know the setup is open, too, does anyone have any idea as to the most likely setup(s)?

What? Explain what you mean.

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What in particular about Benmage's reaction was suspicious? How do you think Town Benmage should have reacted?

It's completely over-the-top and flat out incorrect. He's jumping on IAI for IIoA when IAI was clearly analyzing the game. Benmage, as town, should've either recognized that or went in a different direction with his accusations. There's no reason to continue to press on a point like that unless you're just hard up to get into a shouting match.

This is the lamest vote ever, and feels like deflection. If you can't keep track of your own posts, why do you expect Nikanor to do it for you?

When you say, "can't keep track of your own posts", I'm assuming you mean, "can't keep track of other's posts". If this is wrong then let me know.

Nikanor's first post in the game is a dud, and it wasn't just an expectation of him analyzing all the posts prior to his. I was more concerned with the fact that Nikanor didn't really address

anything

of value. In other words, my vote could've just as easily came with the tagline, "for completely dodging everything important going on".

This feels like sucking up.

Aren't you just jealous that your name isn't on that list?

Seriously though, what do you want me to say? I made an early attack and was rightfully swatted back for not doing all my homework. That necessarily kicks my impression down a notch or two on the game as a whole. Now I'm going to have to think twice before I throw my weight at someone of more consequence, so to speak.

Rest assured, however, if I see something flagrant, be it in that group or not, I won't hesitate.

I was going to ask Zach to prod Furc, but apparently he's posted...and is probably scum. Goody. I may just change my vote to him tomorrow.

You're definitely going to have to elaborate on this one. I'd also like you to talk a little bit more about Oso in your next post (especially if you're taking a liking to Elmo's arguments).

Also, I like you pushing mongoose and imkingdavid, and I'm anxious to get more of a reaction out of them.

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And if it was an "easy dig", is it any easier than saying "I'm so sad I'm not scum, SO SAD. SRSLY guys SO SAD, **SO SAD**, I'm town and SO SO SAD"?

I'm this close to saying that you sould lighten up a bit. This close.

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The jasonwagonofone needs more love.

Is it a coincidence that you're already voting him or not?

[Nikanor]

Is it a coincidence that you're already voting him or not?

No, I'm a day cop. jasonT is mafia.

[RedCoyote]

I'm serious, Nikanor. Your original vote could easily be mistaken for an RVS vote.

[mongoose]

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Page Four

Imkingdavid and mongoose have a contest on who can be more noncommittal and middle-of-the-road. I'm torn on who's scummier (and whether their behaviour can be attributed to n00bishness). On the one hand, at least mongoose provides actual opinions and a vote. On the other hand, Imkingdavid's reaction to IaI seems real-ish, and mongoose qualifies every opinion with "I dunno, he could be town, but he could also be scum."

I agree with this post. I think the people who lead discussion away from lynching tend to be scum, and the stats didn't help this. However, I am innocent does list his suspicions and they seem to be decent so for now I think he is town.

Why exactly do you think I am Innocent's suspicions were decent? Which ones in particular were decent?

I think it's extremely obvious that IAI was mistaken about if/when Benmage retracted his plan. It's possible for him to be mafia and mistaken, but being mistaken is still null. I also think it's fairly obvious that Benmage isn't really taking IAI's defence on board, which fits with my impression of Ben from the last time we played together.

This is the one area where I see jason's POV. Why are you speaking for IAI? Let IAI answer for himself if he was mistaken about the timing. In fact, Benmage actually quoted the post in which he'd retracted the plan, and IAI misinterpreted it.

I've changed the vote at the end of this page several times. Of the stronger players who are actually playing the game, I suspect Red Coyote most, although I get the occasional paranoid niggle from others. I'd originally thought Oso was town, but Elmo has a good point about how he immediately interpreted RC's slip in the worst possible way.

But on second thought...this may be picking on the newbie, but I'd like to try something.

VOTE: mongoose

That said, I may change this when I get a chance to do some meta research into his ordinary playstyle.

non committal and middle of roadish is something I noticed in my post after I posted it. I've always had trouble analyzing games towards the start, mostly due to the lack of information. I'm not that great of a scum hunter and with limited information I feel like I am clueless and only have the slightest of opinion on any of the players. As such I am unsure of my vote. I'm not sure if everyone else feels like that too, since everyone else seems so confident, which I cant get myself to feel about my accusations towards the start of the game.

On the topic of IAI: I like his response in post #47. He is calm and gives legitimate reasons. While I don't think his vote on oso is justified, I can see where its coming from. His argument on benmage is good in the first post (#74), but then he goes a bit crazy, which I can also understand since I feel like that half the time. Still, the cases make sense. I lol'd at his replies to your post, btw. He has that aura around his posts which makes the person he is talking to sound like a moron (no offense). Now that I look at the actual posts more they aren't that great, but its more of the way he posts which I like.

My playstyle tends to be not posting too much until the end game or if no one else bothers to post. I've played in SSBB, hide and seek, NFL, bondoox, black and white comic book, and now playing in c9++ sea container (which is slower than a newbie game... soo boring), just so you can check.

[KaleiÐoscøpe]

Hey guys.

Still liking my Redcoyote vote.

Not much other suspects as of yet.