Newbie 1101 - Game over!

[Grimmjow]

And one more thing, before I start drinking, and to expand upon my post #97, I play under the assumption everyone is town to begin with.

[Voidedmafia]

you could just not drink and continue watching this while not under inebriation.

[Grimmjow]

Unless I missed something, (which is possible due to the couple of beers I have already consumed) I am at L-2, as well as Void.

Shit, now I'm confused.

Also, it's Mother's Day tomorrow, and I work in a restaurant, so I wont be posting tomorrow unless it's really early or really late, just FYI.

[Oswald]

Also, I think cjdrum is making stuff up to convince people Voidedmafia is mafia. The guy is asking questions to find out who is in the mafia by both defending and persecuting them. So, VOTE: cjdrum.

May I ask... Where I did this?

And may I... Direct you to here. Voided says "Oh, Grimmjow doesn't seem too scummy from that", then in the same post basically says "But that was a terrible idea and thing to do".

If I confused you, by "The guy" I meant Voidedmafia. And what you said doesn't make sense. He was saying that was a stupid idea, you could have been lynched for that. I'll tell you why I voted for you later.

And, as far as my questions go, I can see how they would be considered fishy, however, if I were scum, I would not need to "fish" for information as to who was town and who was not. However,

as town

, I most certainly would need to do this. And, as this is my first game and I don't like the idea of RVSing, why would I not start a discussion on such a topic?

How do I know he's town? He's could be lying that he's town.

I was not claiming town or scum. Not once (that I can remember) have I actually claimed town. In the beginning of a game, everyone is assumed town or assumed scum (depending on how you play), or so I think. This is why I have not been willing to vote on anyone just yet. However, as per my last post, I now have a suspicion on Void, so I voted. I even stated in the above quote hypothetical situations of both.

Also, I find it incredibly interesting to me that you were spending pretty much your entire last post critiquing my posts, and making comments on how they seem scummy, yet in the end, off one single thing, you turned around and voted for someone completely different.

FoS: Oswald

You were claiming town as I bolded out. If you were wondering why I was spending a lot of my post critiquing your posts then turned around and voted for someone completely well...

I'm guessing that Grimmjow is using the terms "role" and "alignment" somewhat interchangeably. At least that's the impression that I got from this line he said earlier:

if I were scum, I would not need to "fish" for information as to who was town and who was not. However, as town, I most certainly would need to do this.

So when Grimmjow says he needs to figure out people's roles, I think what he really means is figure out whether or not they're town, not whether or not they're a PR. At least that's what I'm hoping.

You know what, your right.

He could be town and very confused.

I'm not going to continue on my conclusion but... UNVOTE: Grimmjow

Also, I think cjdrum is making stuff up to convince people Voidedmafia is mafia. The guy is asking questions to find out who is in the mafia by both defending and persecuting them. So, VOTE: cjdrum.

...Incognito's post convinced me your not mafia (as I bolded). Also, if you notice I said, "I'm not going to continue on my conclusion". I said that because I think I know your role and that is why I unvoted for you. I voted for cjdrum because his conclusions don't make sense. Just look at these:

His responses to stuff (ie other questions, comments, etc.) settled down my suspicions of him, so yes.

Also, I looked at Voided's ISO. I saw this post as well, but picked up on a different thing.

1) How long have you been playing?
2) How often can we expect you to post?
3) What is your opinion on lurking?
4) In what situation is it permissible for a vanilla townie to lie?

1. *looks at join date*
2. I post as often as possible.
3. I'm a little vexed if they just looking at the game and not commentating (I do this too, though), and VERY annoyed if you're asked questions and don't have a V/LA to justify you being away. DO NOT DO THE LATTER.

Not telling when a VT should lie, eh?
@Voidedmafia: Why was this fourth question not answered?

Then, in this post, here... He says "from what I've heard", referring to Grimmjow's "fishing". However, a quick look at Voided's games shows that this is his fifth here (plus three other ongoing). Surely he's

seen

somebody rolefishing at some stage? I find it pretty scummy to say, "from what I've heard". It just pings me.

The rest of his posts are fairly neutral: basically responses to comments/questions (that seem maybe a bit Townish)...

But I think that the first two are enough to warrant...

FoS: Voidedmafia

Please answer questions

Your saying Voidedmafia is mafia for not answering a question? That's a stupid conclusion plus his post says:

Oh, just watch. The level of participation slacks off by the end of D1 if we don't lynch people within a week -_-.

He is just telling his experience in mafia. And, how do you know he's experienced rolefishing? Did you read the games he was in (because I didn't)?

But, then again he did say something that was scummy to me:

Grimm: I just didn't answer it. Simple as that.

And no. I wouldn't say that to deflect, anyways. Besides, you're full of contradictions,

as Oswlad has pointed out, which is equally as scummy.

vote: Grimmjow

Oswald: Why are you making a good case on Grimmjow about his contradictions, then unvoting due to a hopeful hypothetical that was NOT posted by Grimmjow himself? That's not good at all.

What I bolded sounds scummy to me. Why? Well, I'm defending him, and he's trying to make me vote for the same person he's voting for. Which would make me look scummy. So he's trying to make me look like scum to distract people from the possible fact that he is scum so... UNVOTE: cjdrum

VOTE: Voidedmafia

[Incognito]

I'm exhausted right now, so I can't make a proper post. I'll tackle from where I last left off tomorrow.

Can someone unvote Voidedmafia though? We don't need L-1 at this stage of the game. We're only like one real-life day into this whole thing, and we still haven't heard enough from everyone. One player slot has been completely absent.

Oswald, you do realize your vote placed Voidedmafia at L-1 right?

[Grimmjow]

Grimm: I just didn't answer it. Simple as that.

And no. I wouldn't say that to deflect, anyways. Besides, you're full of contradictions,

as Oswlad has pointed out, which is equally as scummy.

vote: Grimmjow

Oswald: Why are you making a good case on Grimmjow about his contradictions, then unvoting due to a hopeful hypothetical that was NOT posted by Grimmjow himself? That's not good at all.

What I bolded sounds scummy to me. Why? Well, I'm defending him, and

he's trying to make me vote for the same person he's voting for. Which would make me look scummy. So he's trying to make me look like scum to distract people from the possible fact that he is scum so...

UNVOTE: cjdrum

VOTE: Voidedmafia

I can totally agree with this.

[Grimmjow]

Yay drunk posting!

[sanchocolates]

And NOBODY hammer without claim requesting first.
I'll post later since Im on my phone.

[sanchocolates]

Before this, like Incognito said, somebody unvote VoidedMafia. We haven't heard enough from at least 2 people so putting someone at L-1 at this stage will get us nowhere.

@Grimmjow: So you think VoidedMafia is scum? Or could you be using him as a scapegoat to save yourself?

@cjdrum: Your case on VoidedMafia is reasonable, but its evidence is quiet weak. I just don't see Voided as scum if I were to follow your case.

@Oswald: Do you realise you just put VoidedMafia on L-1? If so, that must mean you are confident in your case and would be happy if he was to be lynched.

[cjdrum]

I agree, don't want a quick lynch

unvote: Voidedmafia

sanchocolates: I agree, my case is probably fairly weak. But, I believe that these small slips are enough to add up to a D1 lynch of Voided. It's little things like these and others that help to maximize the potential of a scum being lynched on D1 - it's pretty rare to actually catch a Mafia member on the first day due to the lack of role flips and the like.
I will happily support a Voidedmafia lynch, but would like to see him post to confirm that he isn't a Power Role, and to offer something of a defense-ish form.

[Voidedmafia]

Grimm: I just didn't answer it. Simple as that.

And no. I wouldn't say that to deflect, anyways. Besides, you're full of contradictions,

as Oswlad has pointed out, which is equally as scummy.

vote: Grimmjow

Oswald: Why are you making a good case on Grimmjow about his contradictions, then unvoting due to a hopeful hypothetical that was NOT posted by Grimmjow himself? That's not good at all.

What I bolded sounds scummy to me. Why? Well, I'm defending him, and he's trying to make me vote for the same person he's voting for. Which would make me look scummy. So he's trying to make me look like scum to distract people from the possible fact that he is scum so... UNVOTE: cjdrum

VOTE: Voidedmafia

So, you're saying I'm scummy for both endorsing your case, yet criticzing (bah, forgot how that's spelled) the reason for your unvote? Why would that get me anywhere as a deflection? Why would that make me look scummy, for that matter?

Also, getting people to vote for the same person as me (or you, as it may be) is not scummy, or else all wagons would be scummy. However, trying to get you to vote for the same person (or vice versa) for WEAK REASONING is scummy, which you did not have and why I agreed with your case on Grimmjow. However, you unvoting from Incog's hypothetical post about how Grimmjow was posting did not sit well because

Incognito

, not

Grimmjow

posted that. If Grimmjow had said "oops! I'm m apparantly mixing up the role Town and the alignment townie!" I wouldn't have pointed it out, but that is not the case, and I'm calling you out for it.

Oh, and nice hypocrisy, Oswald. You spent most of the post defending me, yet vote me for one action that would, at least, make me more null in regards to whether or not I'm townie or scum. Which is what I've done twice (once with Grimmjow, and again with you, though it's more agreeing with your case than defending you). Why aren't you getting flak over this as well as me?

Grimm: And you agree why? Because it means that no one's getting on your case? Or do you have some other reason to believe it?

[Incognito]

Ok, I think I've just about caught up.

- That whole "Voidedmafia not answering that one question = scumzz" is really stupid. If it was a question that could actually reflect more on his own guilt or innocence then maybe I could see why it would be scummy for him not to answer it, but it was a random question dk_peace made to try and kickstart the game that BARELY had any kind of alignment-gleaning potential. So no.

Overall, I'm getting kinda cold on the case against Voidedmafia.

- Note #2: Grimmjow, you're actually at L-3, not L-2. I switched my vote to Oswald in my second to last post.

- Oswald has been all over the place these last two pages. He voiced some suspicion of cjdrum saying he's "making up stuff to convince people Voidedmafia is mafia" and then voted him for it and then

on the very next page

he votes Voidedmafia based off of a single line while seeming to completely forget that he was suspicious of cjdrum's attacks on the very same guy he ends up voting. The whole thing just doesn't look sincere to me.

Oswald, why would Voidedmafia trying to get you to vote for the same guy he's voting for make you look scummy? Further, why would how you appear to the rest of the town even concern you?

Separate post to follow since this one's getting long.

[Incognito]

Oswald, in response to your question for me, I voted you because you said that you were mostly just reading what other people were saying and that's why you weren't posting, but then I thought you somehow missed two separate questions directed at you from two separate people even though you apparently were "reading." It made me think you weren't actually reading like you claimed you were. I see now that you responded to those questions, however.

BTW, I'm now L-2. Incog, I'd like to hear from you a bit more, as you're the (I think) IC.

What do you want to hear from me specifically? I'd say I've been fairly active this game, so I'm not really sure what you want from me here.

I will happily support a Voidedmafia lynch, but would like to see him post to confirm that he isn't a Power Role, and to offer something of a defense-ish form.

Huge FoS: cjdrum

I don't like this line for 2 reasons:

1)

There's no way we're even CLOSE to lynching someone right now, so I'm not a fan of how you seem ready for Voided's lynch based on these 5 pages when we've not gotten any info from at least two separate people and

2)

I keep reading your line over and over again to myself and it almost seems like a slip. "confirm that he isn't a power role"? Doesn't that imply that you know he's town?

[PersonalIdiot04]

@mod: PLEASE upload a votecount, as we're all terribly confused as to where Voidedmafia is at.

[Incognito]

With cjdrum's unvote, he should be at L-2.

[el simo]

@mod: PLEASE upload a votecount, as we're all terribly confused as to where Voidedmafia is at.

I will update the vote count daily.

Would do it now but my exam starts in 15 minutes so it will have to wait a few hours, sorry for the delay.

[sanchocolates]

I don't like this line for 2 reasons:

1)

There's no way we're even CLOSE to lynching someone right now, so I'm not a fan of how you seem ready for Voided's lynch based on these 5 pages when we've not gotten any info from at least two separate people and

2)

I keep reading your line over and over again to myself and it almost seems like a slip. "confirm that he isn't a power role"? Doesn't that imply that you know he's town?

Argh, you beat me to it!


Anyways, I believe that was a slip and could be a clue as to who the scums are. So you say you want Voided to conform a pro town role, meaning you wanted to find out if he was a power role. Does this mean that you know that Voided is town? That looks like scum play to me. And yet you're saying you'd be happy with Voided getting lynched.

Vote: cjdrum

[el simo]

Vote Count

• (3) Voidedmafia
  -
  PersonalIdiot04, Grimmjow, Oswald
  
  
• (1) Oswald
  -
  Incognito
  
  
• (1) cjdrum
  -
  sanchocolates
  
  
• (1) Grimmjow
  -
  Voidedmafia

(3) Not Voting:

dk_peace, ZackZ, cjdrum

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Looking for a replacement for ZackZ.

[el simo]

Elfen replaces ZackZ.

[Incognito]

How about we make it a REAL wagon.

unvote, vote: cjdrum

FoS: Oswald

And hi, Elfen. Thanks for replacing in.

[Elfen]

/Confirm :3

Well, Big english project and biology extra credit due tomorrow. I wil read day one and post. Later ♥

[Voidedmafia]

It's been at least 7 hours, Oswald. I hope you're just somewhere else and not just avoiding this game. I hate people who do that.

Vote: Oswald

for his inconsistencies in his voting, and

FOS: Grimmjow

for what I voted him for.

[dk_peace]

Well then, gone for one day and all of a sudden the thread explodes. I like it. Should be interesting.
So, to start I guess I'll answer my own questions.

1) This is my second game on Mafiascum and I played one game prior on another site.

2) Probably at least once a day but my weekends tend to be busy so they will usually be slower.

3) Lurking....It's the utter bane of my existence. I loathe it to the core and there is a distinct possibility that if someone starts to actively lurk my vote will end up there.

4) The only reason I asked this question is because in my last game the IC fake claimed as a vanilla townie. I didn't see a good reason for it and it arguably lost us the game. Therefore, I was simply trying to get perspective (that one was for science).

Also, I'm in -6:00 Central Time.

As for the last 48 hours, it's been super busy in here and I'm trying to get a handle on everything. The wagon on Voided was pretty fast and seems pretty jarring to walk back to. I'll be examining it in detail when I get a little more time. Lastly...I guess a little about myself since I haven't really posted much yet. I tend to be over analytical, ramble on a bit, and very slow to actually place my vote.

[PersonalIdiot04]

This is suspicious to me:

How about we make it a REAL wagon.

unvote, vote: cjdrum

FoS: Oswald

Therefore,

Strong FOS: Incognito.

[Incognito]

What do you find suspicious about it?

@Voided: Are you trying to accuse Oswald of lurking?