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Post Post #100 (ISO) » Wed Aug 10, 2011 5:32 pm

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Current BO Mode
Past


Vote Count: Lynch
JAMFTW (4):
Entanglement, MagnaofIllusion, riceballtail, tclawren
riceballtail (1):
, popsofctown
Zodiark13 (4):
charter, LordChronos, Darox, Internet Stranger
Darox (2):
Zodiark13, PeregrineV

Not Voting (2):
springlullaby, JAMFTW,

With 13 alive, it's 7 to lynch!


Vote Count: BO Mode
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Darox, JAMFTW, riceballtail
Future (6):
MagnaofIllusion, LordChronos, PeregrineV, Entanglement, Internet Stranger, popsofctown

Not Voting (4):
springlullaby, Zodiark13, charter, tclawren

With 13 alive, it's 7 for a majority!
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Post Post #101 (ISO) » Thu Aug 11, 2011 3:02 am

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If the mafia were to know or suspect there's a traitor the joke would be more than sufficient, Darox. It's about as deliberate as you can get without saying "what you think i'm the traitor fool?" which is so deliberate it would get you lynched.

I'm voting future because more townish people are voting future. If Darox is traitor, he's traitor in the past anyway, that's what he wants.
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Post Post #102 (ISO) » Thu Aug 11, 2011 3:04 am

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Tangle wrote:Jam, I am feeling very beneficent today! You've won the grand prize of getting a CASE!

So, let's see...you're a hypocrite for one.
I love how bloody useless you've been all game,
and only chime in to accuse me (erroneously) of something you yourself are guilty of. I have no idea who you think is scum, Jam, because all you've done ALL GAME is scumplain and fluff post. Do you think I'm scum? Do you think charter is scum? Why don't you post one of your beloved cases? Pro tip: Not posting reasoning doesn't count, since, and I know this is mindblowing, that's not actually scummy. So, please die~


I’ve bolded the part that makes my scum-dar ping like crazy. How has ANYONE been ‘useful’ to any significant degree this game? We’ve barely breached page 5 and scum-hunting in earnest has hardly began.

How do you feel Charter, with his posts being 100% rhertoric (Player X is scum) with no reasoning, is more useful than JAM?

UNVOTE: JAMFTW. This ‘support of the wagon’ makes me question its quality.

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Peregrine wrote:I'm saying I have no idea how Darox plays as scum or town. I have never played with him nor read any games he was in.

… excised quotations and non-pertanent words …


Given that you have played previously with Darox where he was either town or not-town, and given what you know of how he played there and his play to-date, do you think it is possible for him to have made such a slip as excluding his teammates if, he is in fact, mafia?


I’ve directly played with Darox in one game (that I recall) – Victorian Vampire Mafia.

There he was Town who as I have said spent more time posting insults and playing the ‘I’m cool and inscrutible’ game than clearly scum-hunting.

I’ve never played with him as scum. I think it highly unlikely anyone but the ‘top-line’ VIs on MS would make a mistake like that.

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Darox wrote:What do you think about Peregrine hanging around your legs like a baby chick orbiting it's mama?


I’m allergic to buddying … it is making me all itchy and cranky.

That said if he is trying to buddy me he’s doing it in a wholely unique fashion as it isn’t mindless sheeping (see Tclaw for that, BTW) but is actually engaging in questions and back and forth discussion.

@Tclaw
– Are you scum again this game?

Darox wrote:MoI isn't the traitor, I am. I outed my entire scumteam (Remember the 3 people I picked while excluding others for unknown and highly suspect reasons) and now they think I'm some kind of super scumhunter and are going to try and kill me, and I want to keep it in the past so that I get recruited rather than killed.

YOU GOT ME


This is overdone even for you. Pops never said anything about you knowing the scum-team so tacking that bit on is Strawmanning.

VOTE: Darox
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Pops wrote:Is square enix 4 the fun game that kdub ran or the terrihorribad lurkerfest that was after that one?


Neither actually (those were Kdub’s Square Enix the Outsiders and Kise’s Square Enix 5). Square Enix 4 is another Kise game where there was a two man scum team that had 3 kills a night :roll:

In that game Zodiark was Town Tracker who played suboptimally and basically poked at Fate (which is suicide when he there are too many blind ‘Fate Followers’ in a game) and got himself lynched Day 1. He didn’t call it a policy lynch obviously but the effect was the same.

Pops wrote:I think you missed my point about zod. The policy lynch never had a chance of being successful. That he tried the policy lynch puts him in his own class of clueless. I'm arguing against his behavior being a towntell. If he's clueless about its chance of success, which is true whether he's scum or town, he may very well be clueless about whether policy lynch behavior risks his neck or not.


Yeah, we are doing our normal song and dance here … :D

I don’t see it as a Town tell, just a Null tell aka something I will not base a vote / suspicion on. If anything it is a Dumb-tell which is also alignment neutral.

Pops wrote:I can't go a whole game without any setup speculation. The wincon in my role pm suggests that some players may change faction as the box office mode changes. Scum probably can't change alignment with the BO mode. Well theoretically a setup like that could work, but it would be so difficult to balance one probably wouldn't try it. An SK, or a small secondary scumteam, works more easily, but is still somewhat messy. What works rather easily, though, is the rarely used traitor role. Wins with the town in one time period, wins with the scum, though he doesn't know their identities and they don't know his, in the other time period. Funny coincidence, one of our players breadcrumbed traitor, in a rather out of place way, in a game where the word had yet to come up. Darox.


I see what I think is the post in question. I agree that if we do have a Traitor scenario that he’s pulled a classic in-thread communication ploy.

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Charter wrote:Right now, everyone voting Zodiak is town. Scum still think they can save him and having gone into bus mode. Probably too late at this point.


So you are saying that scum have gone into bus mode (where they traditionally press a member and vote them for Town cred) to save him from being lynched?

That makes no sense. At this juncture I think Charter is pulling a “disguised policy lynch” attempt on Zodiark.

Charter wrote:So, you think that people can switch alignment if we go to future, but you don't think scum can switch to town. That seems to me like it leaves town defecting to scum. So why would you be voting for that to happen? Can you elaborate on the Darox breadcrumbs? Unless they're good, I have a mind to lynch you, because you know what the first thing I do when I'm a traitor is? I tell the scumteam I'm a traitor, which is what you just did.


1. Actually, the bolded is what Pops is saying Darox did in 87.
2. You aren’t lynching Pops on this weak-ass logic. Sorry, I’ve come to see Pops as someone whose reads are DAMN good from an intuition standpoint. As long as I have a Town read from Pops I will give those reads more weight than any other player on MS and will not let rhetorical crap lead to a lynch on Pops.
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Post Post #103 (ISO) » Thu Aug 11, 2011 3:28 am

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No, the 'me outing the scumteam' bit comes from Peregrine. It's a collaboration joke, please keep up. I'm straw manning because I'm treating their cases like the contemptible joke of a suspicion that they are, not because I'm making extra shit up.

P.S.
HEY POPS.
IF I AM PAST-TRAITOR/FUTURE-TOWN, WHY WOULD I HAVE SUCH A STRONG PREFERENCE FOR BEING THE SCUM ROLE? SURELY THE CLEVER MOVE IN SAID SCENARIO WOULD BE TO TRY AND STAY IN THE FUTURE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE TO RETURN INNOCENT RESULTS TO COPS, BEFORE SUDDENLY MAKING A PUSH FOR A SWITCH IF I THINK THE SCUM ARE CLOSE TO WINNING.

IN SHORT: WHAT DOES YOUR THEORY HAVE TO DO WITH ME WANTING TO STAY IN THE PAST?
(Now you realize the true genius. I'm actually a traitor role in the FUTURE, and I've double gambitted you right into my trap. :roll:)


P.P.S. I am so cool and inscrutable MoI. You don't even know. I can't actually remember the last time I was scum though. It would have happened before you joined. Way back in yonder years. The only ones I can remember are a no-reveal game, a bastard game, and a couple of cult games.

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Post Post #104 (ISO) » Thu Aug 11, 2011 3:34 am

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P 4x-combo dot S dot Recent considerations have bumped RBT up the scumladder considerably.
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Post Post #105 (ISO) » Thu Aug 11, 2011 3:51 am

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Darox wrote:IF I AM PAST-TRAITOR/FUTURE-TOWN, WHY WOULD I HAVE SUCH A STRONG PREFERENCE FOR BEING THE SCUM ROLE? SURELY THE CLEVER MOVE IN SAID SCENARIO WOULD BE TO TRY AND STAY IN THE FUTURE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE TO RETURN INNOCENT RESULTS TO COPS, BEFORE SUDDENLY MAKING A PUSH FOR A SWITCH IF I THINK THE SCUM ARE CLOSE TO WINNING.


You asked this of Pops but I'm gonna chime in anyway.

1. Traitors traditionally scan Town UNTIL recruited so strike that portion.
2. I don't know ... because possibly being killed in the Future results in you not being able to push for the switch later? We will not even discuss the fact that you can't be certain of pulling off said switch and that you would look scummy as hell trying it. (Early days pushing for the future and then suddenly pushing hard for the Past).

Don't do logic Darox ... it doesn't suit you. Stick with cool inscruitability.

That said I'm going to have a look over Pulp Fiction's character since you dropped that little breadcrumb and see who might make a Traitor role in that movie.
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Post Post #106 (ISO) » Thu Aug 11, 2011 4:43 am

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The lady doth protest too much, methinks.
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"
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Post Post #107 (ISO) » Thu Aug 11, 2011 4:55 am

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weird... I remember typing a reply yesterday but it seems I didn't hit submit. :/

Don't like Peregrine's entrance into the game. Skirts around too many core issues of the game. (namely JAMFTW and Zodiark)

I'm pretty sure Darox is town here, or at least all the reasons provided so far for why he might be scum, are wholly unconvincing.

@MoI: look for scum elsewhere Godzilla, this time I'm thankfully town. Here's a question for you. I think entanglement's vote is bussing, what do you think?
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Post Post #108 (ISO) » Thu Aug 11, 2011 5:04 am

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tclawren wrote:
@MoI: look for scum elsewhere Godzilla, this time I'm thankfully town.

I have a new favorite mafia term. "cool inscrutability"
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"
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Post Post #109 (ISO) » Thu Aug 11, 2011 6:12 am

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STILL nothing from ZodScum and RBTScum? Looks to me that I have caught the scum yet again and they have thusly given up. Feel free to approopriately vote for ZodScum now.
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Post Post #110 (ISO) » Thu Aug 11, 2011 6:45 am

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Zodiark has like 4 posts. If someone could point out how that put the nail into his scum-coffin, I'll switch my vote. Otherwise, not seeing it.

JAM has 5 posts. None of them read particularly scummy to me.

@Darox- claiming your much more powerful in the past is still a claim. Why do it when there is no need to?

@MoI- no buddying up at this time. I don't have firm enough reads one way or another, so I maintain my current level of mild suspicion on everyone for now. Also, JT was the bad guy in Broken Arrow, and could be a traitor-like role from Face-Off (where town/scum switch would be obvious).

@tclaw- see sentence 1 and 2 above.

Any word on springlullaby?

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Post Post #111 (ISO) » Thu Aug 11, 2011 6:48 am

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Springlullaby has been prodded
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Post Post #112 (ISO) » Thu Aug 11, 2011 6:55 am

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You cant possibly be serious Peregrine. Are you just being obtuse on purpose? Have you not been reading the game?

The case on VodScum has been made by Darox, Charter and Myself. On top of that, dont you find his and RBT's sudden absence suspicious? Like say, scum that have given up?

On top of that, youre falling into their trap like a damn fool. If they dont post, then we will have suckers like you claiming that we cant vote for them because they dont have any posts. Ie: youre going to let them lurk to win while you chastise all the active scumhunters that are trying to rid this town of those scumbags?

You make me sick, Peregrine. Your actions are simply disgusting and actively pro-scum.
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Post Post #113 (ISO) » Thu Aug 11, 2011 7:09 am

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sorry been busy. posting after a night sleep.
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Post Post #114 (ISO) » Thu Aug 11, 2011 7:34 am

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Darox Case

Darox wrote:Yeah, they're both retarded.
The Jamftw train makes me uneasy though, and Zodiark's unprovoked response is worse than Jam's outrage.

Vote: Zodiark


Charter Case

charter wrote:
Vote Zodiark

Let's get the ball rollin'.

charter wrote:Guys, Zodiark is scum. RBT may or may not be scum, but there's no question about Zodiark.

charter wrote:There is no way I am switching my vote off of Zodiak. Literally every post of his makes me ten times more suspicious of him. He is beyond obvscum.


Internet Stranger Case

Internet Stranger wrote:I see Zod a hell of a lot scummier than RBT. Reading page 2 again, it feel like Zod was all about defending RBT and causaing a distraction. Jam feels more like he stepped on a land mine along the way. I would suspect that had I just kept quiet and not mention this now, Zod would be voting for Jam as well.

Furthermore, the way RBT glops on that second vote in that trio reeks os scum. As scum, she can smell blood, like a shark in the water and jumps all over the wagon, riding on Charter's superman coattails. I don't buy it RBT, I'm seeing a clear connection between RBT and Zod with Jam being a bystander caught inbetween. It also makes sense why Zod has been poking at me with a stick as if I was some caged Gorilla, trying to set me lose on some poor fool.

I'm ok with either an RBT or Zodiark lynch and will happily bandwagon hop for either of them. I seen enough and its time for the scum to hang.

Unvote: RBT
Vote Zodiark


Yes, I can read. And you might have a case actually presented, but charter and Darox do not.
And RBT is about as suspicious as anyone else right now.

And I don't know it's a trap since we are
3 real days
into the game. Yes, the more they stay disappeared the worst they look, but right now is real day 3.
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Post Post #115 (ISO) » Thu Aug 11, 2011 7:36 am

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I'll be out of town and posting/reading will be null/minimal during this time.
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Post Post #116 (ISO) » Thu Aug 11, 2011 7:41 am

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Internet Stranger wrote:
MagnaofIllusion wrote:
IS
– I see what you are saying more clearly. Still … do you think Zod-scum would come out firing so early with a rather ludicrous ‘Policy Lynch’ stance on you? I mean that’s pure stupidity, at least form my independent POV.

Then again I’ve never seen Zodiark when he wasn’t Town (and an easy mislynch for scum or Fate).


Just because you may hold me at a higher standard it doesnt mean that others dont, and your view is hardly independent since you seen me in scumhunting action.

Look at Zod's four posts. He plants the seed in his first line.
Then in his second post, he goes for the attack.
Third post, he realizes that coming after me with bullshit was a bad idea, so he cowers away and tries going after the herpaderp vote instead.
Completely ignores me by the fourth post.

Its opportunistic garbage. Zodscum also pressed harder when I started mentioning RBT. Now that all the attention is back on him and RBT, he is trying to scamper away like a roach after I turned on the light. Zod is trying to employ an early mislynch and its rather plain to see.

ZodScum needs to hang. So whats it going to be RBT. Are you going for the defense of Zod or getting on the bus?



Oh Peregrine, but there is more, so much more out there on Zod. Dont go all minimalist on me now!
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Post Post #117 (ISO) » Thu Aug 11, 2011 7:48 am

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I actually saw that and figured it's the best case presented so far, but couldn't find it when I was looking last time.

Fine, until he responds.

Unvote.
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Post Post #118 (ISO) » Thu Aug 11, 2011 7:50 am

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-_____________________-

Really Peregrine? Really?

Time to read some of your scum games...
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Post Post #119 (ISO) » Thu Aug 11, 2011 8:09 am

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tclawren wrote:-_____________________-

Really Peregrine? Really?

Time to read some of your scum games...


It won't help much since I'm town this time, but I replaced into Battelstar Galactica Mini and Dr. Who Mini into mafia roles. All the rest I've been town.
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Post Post #120 (ISO) » Thu Aug 11, 2011 11:42 am

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MagnaofIllusion wrote:
Charter wrote:Right now, everyone voting Zodiak is town. Scum still think they can save him and
having
haven't
gone into bus mode. Probably too late at this point.


So you are saying that scum have gone into bus mode (where they traditionally press a member and vote them for Town cred) to save him from being lynched?

That makes no sense. At this juncture I think Charter is pulling a “disguised policy lynch” attempt on Zodiark.

I mistyped, it's corrected.

Charter wrote:So, you think that people can switch alignment if we go to future, but you don't think scum can switch to town. That seems to me like it leaves town defecting to scum. So why would you be voting for that to happen? Can you elaborate on the Darox breadcrumbs? Unless they're good, I have a mind to lynch you, because you know what the first thing I do when I'm a traitor is? I tell the scumteam I'm a traitor, which is what you just did.


1. Actually, the bolded is what Pops is saying Darox did in 87.
2. You aren’t lynching Pops on this weak-ass logic. Sorry, I’ve come to see Pops as someone whose reads are DAMN good from an intuition standpoint. As long as I have a Town read from Pops I will give those reads more weight than any other player on MS and will not let rhetorical crap lead to a lynch on Pops.[/quote][/quote]
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Post Post #121 (ISO) » Thu Aug 11, 2011 12:39 pm

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Too much annoying noise to really go in depth right now, but the essentia is, Zod doesn't look really scummy, yes, JAM is useless, MoI. Pretty much everyone in the early part of the game seemed to be putting some sort of effort in the game. Jam's reaction to charter was nothing but (an awful) defense, and since then JAM has produced absolutely nothing. A better description would be that JAM is active lurking.

While Darox has decided the most pro town thing he can do is produce useless noise and absolutely nothing of worth, and your vote for him isn't disliked, I think you have a really shitty reason to be getting off JAM, MoI. I'd really rather we took care of JAM first, if for nothing other than eliminating such ludicrously obnoxious scumplaining.
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Post Post #122 (ISO) » Thu Aug 11, 2011 1:08 pm

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Ninja'd!:

There are only two, maybe three, characters from Pulp Fiction that I can see in any kind of "traitor" light:

Frank Whaley's "Brett" - He tried stealing Marsellus Wallace's magical McGuffin. I'm not too familiar with many Frank Whaley movies where he was a character of any significance. Feel free to enlighten me.

Phil LaMarr's "Marvin" - It's intimated that Marvin is some type of informant for Marsellus Wallace and that's he's the reason Jules Winnfield (Saumel L. Jackson) and Vincent Vega (John Travolta) know where to find the aforementioned Brett. Here again, I'm not too familiar with Phil LaMarr in any type of major role in a movie, though he is a prolific voice actor.

and last we have the character I think is the most plausible in this "traitor" case:

Bruce Willis' "Butch Coolidge" - Butch is paid by Marsellus Wallace to take a dive in a boxing match. Butch instead wins the match, accidentally killing his opponent in the process.

Bruce Willis is the most likely to me, as his library of movies is quite large and well-known. Then again, Butch is betraying a mafioso type in Pulp Fiction, so take that for what it's worth.

I'm not sure if everyone has a Pulp Fiction character as part of this game, but it's believable to me, at least.

On an aside: I now, and ALWAYS, hate Day One. I'm a slow starter, usually.

As of right now, I have a town read from Charter. I've played mafia elsewhere, but I'm still getting used to the "fishing" type of posts, which is what Charter was most likely doing (assuming a town role).

While there is some justification for extra votes on me after the fishing, it's interesting to me how many people jumped onto my wagon, and so quickly at that. Even moreso, given Entanglement's reaction to my brief questioning of him.
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Post Post #123 (ISO) » Thu Aug 11, 2011 1:10 pm

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The above post was written over the course of ten minutes or so, during which time, I was informed by the MW site, that Entanglement had posted, hence my Ninja'd comment at the top.
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Post Post #124 (ISO) » Thu Aug 11, 2011 1:11 pm

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Sorry for the triple post. Looking at Entanglement's time stamp, make that twenty minutes. I need to try and stop multitasking so much >.<
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