Open 386 - Lovers Mafia - Game Over

[drmyshotgun]

Are you serious?? I'm in NZ!

[Jackal711]

@Mod: I will be on vacation in New Zealand form the 31st to the 11th, if you don't want to wait for me to come back then feel free to replace me.

After seeing your post in Newbie 1222 stating you will be almost completely without internet for that time period, my decision is that I will be looking for a replacement.

[Heilograph]

UNVOTE:

Heilograph is leaning scum for me. He seemed to be in RVS until his last two posts. His unvote and then revote worries me. He also doesn't seem to have much of a reason at all to be voting Kassadin.

@Heilo:

Why did you say you didn't want Kassadin lynched today, and then vote him right after? What changed between those two posts?

I voted him in RVS because i didn't like his name. I kept his vote until he was L-1 later on. Then i re-voted to apply pressure.

So are you still sticking with the PL on Kass, or are there other reasons for Kassscum?

Nawh, not really. Way i view it that Dr. seems to be the scum choice for me. He is running this game completely. While being a contributing town-member, is perfectly alright. Im starting to get the feeling that he is a little more "evil-doing" than first thought.

[Kamikrazy]

Nawh, not really. Way i view it that Dr. seems to be the scum choice for me. He is running this game completely. While being a contributing town-member, is perfectly alright. Im starting to get the feeling that he is a little more "evil-doing" than first thought.

We aren't going to lynch someone based off of that. There are a few reasons to lynch Shotgun, none of which have to do with him being a contributing town-member. Is it possible that Shotgun is scum? Absolutely, and I think him and Kondi are smart enough to pull off their play style and abuse the lack of knowledge from the other players. However, that's just my gut saying that their over the top support of each other and general play style is "smart" scummy and we sure as hell are not going to lynch someone for that right now.

If Dr. is the seem choice for you, why don't you vote him?

[Heilograph]

Nawh, not really. Way i view it that Dr. seems to be the scum choice for me. He is running this game completely. While being a contributing town-member, is perfectly alright. Im starting to get the feeling that he is a little more "evil-doing" than first thought.

We aren't going to lynch someone based off of that. There are a few reasons to lynch Shotgun, none of which have to do with him being a contributing town-member. Is it possible that Shotgun is scum? Absolutely, and I think him and Kondi are smart enough to pull off their play style and abuse the lack of knowledge from the other players. However, that's just my gut saying that their over the top support of each other and general play style is "smart" scummy and we sure as hell are not going to lynch someone for that right now.

If Dr. is the seem choice for you, why don't you vote him?

I said that to some he appears as a contributing town member. As for my vote, I really dont like either atm. So , I feel as one or the other.
Maybe shotgun should be lynched first , but I think kass is better .

[drmyshotgun]

Seems to me Helio has run out of juice. He's waving his hand in the middle of thin air trying to grasp just about anything.
Kondi, I suggest you hammer.

[drmyshotgun]

I voted him in RVS because i didn't like his name. I kept his vote until he was L-1 later on. Then i re-voted to apply pressure.

Don't you think enough pressure was already applied? What the hell did we, or you at least, learnt from that?

Nawh, not really. Way i view it that Dr. seems to be the scum choice for me. He is running this game completely. While being a contributing town-member, is perfectly alright. Im starting to get the feeling that he is a little more "evil-doing" than first thought.

So are scums supposed to be running the entire game and Town just following them?
I thought it was completely opposite. Scum tend to get shady behind others and follow the flow.

Vincent is obviously Helio's partner. Kondi, just hammer.

[Heilograph]

What's wrong doctor, just wanna win this game faster ?
Okay , so if Kass is going to flip town. That would leave you shotgun as the clostest thing to scum. Get it parter to hammer?
UNVOTE: Kass
VOTE: Shotgun

[drmyshotgun]

^This, doesn't even count as OMGUS. Doesn't make sense at all.
Kass ain't fliipping Town (cuz he ain't getting lynched anytime soon), and with him not yet flipped, how does that "leave" me to be Scum?

Just lynch this guy already.
I like it when games are short and snappy.

Oh and btw, Of course I want to win this game faster. Getting you would mean the other lover would kill himself. Yep.
If I get you lynched and you flip Town, that would make the game MUCH MORE longer don't you think?

Kondi

Hammer

[kondi2424]

Actually, I'm going to use this opportunity to find something out.

Kami, should I hammer? I will on your call.

[Kamikrazy]

I'm naturally a patient person so I almost always prefer to go the cautious route. Normally I would prefer to wait a day or two just to see if we can squeeze any more information out of him, just because there is no harm in waiting.

Add on to the fact that with Vincent being replaced I think we should see what the replacement's thoughts are on the game. He's been one of the most passive players so far, and I think we can gain a lot more knowledge from that slot.

It sucks that this game has been going slowly, but I don't think that means we should rush things. I would rather take our time trying to ensure a win rather than rushing the game along for no reason.

@Helio - If you think Shotgun is scum, who do you think is his scum-buddy?

Potential information gained from not rushing a lynch:
1) Find out what Kassadin's thoughts are on the scummiest players.
2) Find out who Helio thinks is the most likely Shotgun scum-buddy
3) Find out Vincent's replacement thoughts on the game

That's to much information to pass up just because Shotgun is an impatient player.

[kondi2424]

Wow, you actually found a wrong answer to that question.

Since this is nightless, the only useful one of those is 2), and he's already told us he thinks it's shotgun-kondi.

We can find everything else out tomorrow if the game is still going. VOTE: Heilo

[Kamikrazy]

/sigh...You're assuming that the responses to #1 and #3 would have no way of impacting who we would have ended up lynching today...

[Jackal711]

VOTE COUNT 1.7

AKA The "Hammer Time" Votecount

Heilograph (4) - Kassadin, Kamikrazy, drmyshotgun, kondi2424

HAMMER

Kassadin (1) -
Kamikrazy (1) -
drmyshotgun (0) - Heilograph
Vincent2128 (0) -
kondi2424 (0) -

Not Voting: Vincent2128

Heilograph has been lynched. He was a

Vanilla Townie

[Jackal711]

Day 2 may now begin.

VOTE COUNT 2.0

AKA The "It's LyLo time" Votecount

Kassadin (0) -
Kamikrazy (0) -
drmyshotgun (0) -
Vincent2128 (0) -
kondi2424 (0) -

Not Voting: Vincent2128, Kassadin, Kamikrazy, drmyshotgun, kondi2424

With 5 alive, it's 3 to lynch.

Day 2 deadline is Thursday, April 19, 2012 at 07:45pm PDT or in (expired on 2012-04-19 19:45:00)

[Jackal711]

saulres

replaces Vincent2128

[saulres]

Hi guys!

When I saw "5 pages" I was intrigued, when I saw "LyLo" I was sold.

I'll be reading the thread shortly (lots of work this morning) but should be able to post my impressions within a couple of hours.

[saulres]

Finished the first read through, took some notes, but my strongest reads right now are:
Town: Kami
Scum: shotgun

Since it's LyLo, unless I find a for-sure scumslip when I read again I won't be rushing to a vote. But I will be putting up a case against shotgun.

I'll also be looking at vote patterns, because the way this game works it would be highly risky for scum to bus.

Plus there are only six possible scumteams so reading such a short game six times shouldn't be a problem. (I'd be reading with "This time, let's say A and B are the scum. Do the post motivations match?" "Okay, this time, A and C are the scum." Wash, rinse, repeat.

Does anyone want me to answer the RQS? I will if you do, but I don't want to waste my time if there's no need.

[saulres]

Heilo puts in a random vote on Kass
Kami puts in a random vote on DK/vincent/me
Kondi wagons Kami, almost saying it's a legit vote.
Kass puts in a random vote on heilo
shotgun wagons kass

Analysis: Possible Kondi-shotgun scumteam putting two people at L-2 to see if a townie jumps on one of the wagons allowing for a hammer

Right after Vincent joins the game, kondi moves his vote to Kass, putting him at L-1 without announcing it. Hoping to lure Vince into hammering?

Kami does not hammer (feels town-motivated, but that's wifom)

helio unvotes kass, then revotes, so still at L-1

No one hammers kass at L-1, despite many clean opportunities to do so. So kass scum or both scum on wagon. Clears kami and vince/me.

kami votes shotgun

kondi moves to kami. Kami has no other votes at this time. Possible scum move realizing his other failed wagon won't work?

kami votes heilo. shotgun put heilo at L-1 (Kassadin, Kamikrazy, drmyshotgun), and doesn't announce it

again

, conveniently remembering it after the mod makes it clear.

kondi gives lip service to not hammering, but eventually does after saying he'd decide to if kami said to. BUT KAMI SAID NOT TO.

Vote analysis shows likely shotgun/kondi team.

The rereads of the six will take some time, work is very busy today. Plus, y'know, I'm not the only person to have opinions on what happened, and I'd love to hear yours.

[kondi2424]

Two out of the three of those that were directed to me just say "possible scum-motivation here!!!"

And, despite your attempt to clear yourself/Kami, it's WIFOM. It does give both of you a bit of town points, but is nulled by the fact that you pointed it out.

[saulres]

Of course there's WIFOM. It's a mafia game.

Yes, I said possible scum motivation to some posts. That doesn't mean it's guaranteed, it's just something to look at in the aggregate after I go through all the pairings.

Which will probably take all weekend at this point. Busy day

I do feel shotgun is more likely scum than you, BTW. And since we only have to hit one this game to get both, we only have to find one. That's a good thing.

[kondi2424]

Then it seems that we're in a similar situation. Our highest scumreads/townreads are switched.

What's your read on Kassadin?

[saulres]

In my initial readthrough, Kassadin made no impression on me whatsoever. I had to keep checking that he was in the game.

A quick ISO shows no content whatsoever. But a quick meta shows that's the playstyle, and not necessarily indicative of an alignment. I agree with you that he would have been a better D1 lynch, because if he's town, he reminds me of a player in a newbie game I played with (lost to the crash) who posted once a day, very little content, no real questions, and then one day before deadline, made the wrong choice. If that's going to happen again I'd almost rather he placed the wrong vote now and let the scum quickhammer the game so I don't have to go through that again. It was painful.

[drmyshotgun]

Okay, so Vincent has been replaced. The new guy looks definite scum. Kass, I know you are on Town side.
Kondi, I believe you are on our side too.
We should have gone with Kami lynch. Fuck.

[drmyshotgun]

If I was scum and partners with Kondi, do you honestly think I would have blatantly pushed the wagon on Helio?
Do you think I would have urged Kondi to Hammer so that everyone can see?
I think you are scum Saulres.
Kass, you really need to be here more often now.

Apologies Helio, but We will win this game. The Town WILL prevail.