204 Fight Club Mafia -- Mod Abandoned

[warpdragon]

Crola has been replaced by Thesp

[Thesp]

Hello all!

I'd like to take this moment to confirm my predecessor's vote on Olio. As I was reading through the thread, I was ready to vote him for his scummy-seeming justification for his votes and some unusual posts he's made, but Crola already had his vote on him. I now endorse it more strongly than he did.

Carry on.

[Drummer]

Hey Thesp! Welcome to the game.

Sadly, I'm not sure what to talk about since the main discussion seems to be on the movie, which as you know, I only saw half of. And from how I'm interpreting the discussion, I didn't get much out of it.

[Mr. Flay]

Unvote: Sineish, Vote: olio

partly because he's been lurking around and not doing much. Yes, I saw the note about his graphics card...I'm talking about before that.

But mostly, it's because he's the person I was referring to when I said I thought I'd spotted a partner for Sineish. Since olio has someone else's vote and Sineish doesn't, I'm willing to test my theory the other way around. I believe that makes two votes...

[Commodore Amazing]

I'd say it's likely that we're not seeing some of the major characters because they're deeply involved in Project Mayhem. Chessler dying Night One and being pro-town seems to say that we're on the side of Law and Order and Society As It Stands. So if anything, that may be why we're not seeing the major characters. And despite all the "role" claims we've had, we've really only got three names so far that are still alive, right?

I agree with this entirely. Also, I wouldn't be surprised if there were recruiting abilities by the Fight Club members; it's possible somebody like Robert Paulson is out there but not scum now, but can be recruited, etc.
Crola/Thesp's character claim is the closest thing we have to a member of Fight Club right now, so I'll go ahead and

fos: Thesp

.

unvote: Mr. Flay, vote: d_rouge

[Thesp]

I will beat up anyone who doesn't post in the next two days with my paper fists.

[Thesp]

Pardon me. I realize my previous statement could be misinterpreted by my vague use of prepositional phrases. No one is allowed to post with my paper fists, except for me. I will use said paper fists to lay the smackdown on anyone who fails to post within the next two days.

Now post.

[Sineish]

I'm willing to test my theory the other way around.

Copy that.

vote:olio

No one is allowed to post with my paper fists, except for me

You might find it easier to use your paper fingers?

S.

[Commodore Amazing]

Why are we voting for olio? At least he gave reasons for why he thought Crola/Thesp might have claimed. Yes, he bandwagoned on spork76, but so did quite a few of us.

d_rouge has been just as lurky. If we go after d_rouge, he should be able to answer us. We can't blame olio for being absent when he has said he will be gone this long. It seems someone might be scum with d_rouge and is looking to divert attention away from him...

fos: Mr. Flay, Sineish, and olio

[warpdragon]

3 olio (Thesp, Mr. Flay, Sineish)
2 Spork76 (olio, Aelyn)
2 d_rouge (KingEnigma, Commodore Amazing)
1 Thesp (Bamboomancer)
1 KingEnigma (d_rouge)

Not Voting: Spork Drummer

[d_rouge]

I'm sorry if it looks like I'm lurking, but since I got back, I haven't found anything so scummy to warrant a vote from me.

The bandwagon on Olio looks quite random so I'm not willing to jump on it, especially because he said he would have computer problems, so he is sort of "justified" for lurking.

Last thing, I think we should be careful with the "bandwagoning into a claim" thing, since we have one power role already exposed and we shouldn't risk putting someone else in danger. That means that we shouldn't exclude the possibility of going after somebody who has already claimed.

[Thesp]

The bandwagon on Olio looks quite random so I'm not willing to jump on it, especially because he said he would have computer problems, so he is sort of "justified" for lurking.

Who said anything about voting him for lurking? Besides the person who was concerned with his lurking prior to the video card bit?

[olio]

Unvote: Sineish, Vote: olio partly because he's been lurking around and not doing much. Yes, I saw the note about his graphics card...I'm talking about before that.

But mostly, it's because he's the person I was referring to when I said I thought I'd spotted a partner for Sineish. Since olio has someone else's vote and Sineish doesn't, I'm willing to test my theory the other way around. I believe that makes two votes...

Can you please explain that theory of yours. I don't quite follow, I'm afraid. When it comes to my lurking, my graphic card stopped functioning on Wednesday.

Thesp, what in my justifications you viewed scummy? The fact it's day one and we don't have information? Or the fact I agreed with Commodore Amazing? Why don't you think Commodore Amazing is scummy?

unvote: spork76

[Mr. Flay]

Unvote: Sineish, Vote: olio partly because he's been lurking around and not doing much. Yes, I saw the note about his graphics card...I'm talking about before that.

But mostly, it's because he's the person I was referring to when I said I thought I'd spotted a partner for Sineish. Since olio has someone else's vote and Sineish doesn't, I'm willing to test my theory the other way around. I believe that makes two votes...

Can you please explain that theory of yours. I don't quite follow, I'm afraid.

Your posts have seemed very follow-the-leader so far, which always screams scum to me. In addition, when a player does things like ask questions of someone else in thread to which the answers should be fairly obvious, like your initial post to Sineish, it flips warning bells on me. You voted for Sineish but then the moment someone else posed a theory, even one as weak as CA's, you jumped ship. That looks like trying to establish a voting pattern, in my eyes.

And conversely, I'm not sure what to make of Sineish's rapid vote on you, based on what I wrote. Either he's trying to establish a voting pattern from his direction.... or he's scum and you're not, and he'd *much* rather test my theory this way around.

[Thesp]

Sure, be happy to explain. Besides the hostile and defensve reaction now, here's a post by post analysis:

Sineish, you say you had reason for your vote and it wasn't random. Didn't you notice names were in alphabetical order? And if you noticed, why didn't you check from the queue thread for the real order of signups?

This post strikes me as odd.

So far I'm not convinced by Sineish's explanation. I still think his vote is random vote trying to be non-random. At the moment it's the scummiest we got in my opinion.
vote: Sineish

We are still missing spork and KingEnigma. mod, maybe give them a playful nudge?

Really? Sineish is really looking scummy to you for his "non-random random" post? It looks like the line of reasoning you're using (based on your previous post) is because of semantic differences over the word "random".

Few reasons from top of my mind why Crola claimed now:
Unkillable/-lynchable role
Wins game when lynched (wasn't there something like that in the bookshop-mafia
Scum
Poor play

Everyone of those reasons is bit far-fetched in my opinion, but right now I couldn't think anything else.

This post also strikes me as odd. It looks like you're trying to appear as though you're contributing without putting anything useful out there. Notice there's no stance taken here as to which one he thinks is correct. This also could be baiting.

Bamboomancer, do you mean scum could try to kill Crola or scum could try to make such a roleclaim?

Useful question.

I agree with Commodore Amazing.
unvote: Sineish
vote: spork76

This looks like a post pull.

Can you please explain that theory of yours. I don't quite follow, I'm afraid. When it comes to my lurking, my graphic card stopped functioning on Wednesday.

Thesp, what in my justifications you viewed scummy? The fact it's day one and we don't have information? Or the fact I agreed with Commodore Amazing? Why don't you think Commodore Amazing is scummy?

unvote: spork76

I don't think Commodore Amazing is scummy for that post because he put forth substance. You used his post as justification for yours rather than appropriating it. In fact, it would lead later to the idea of "if I'm wrong, look at the guy who put forth the idea", almost what you've done here. Also, do you think I should think Commodore Amazing is scummy?

Here's the thing: you haven't constructively moved the game along. You don't seem interested in doing so. My guess is beause you're scum. Happy with my vote.

[Drummer]

Okay, I know that even if I'm a little lost in the storyline, it's important for me to say something. My best guess at the moment is Olio.

Vote:Olio

. I think the claims up to this point seem acceptable. There is d_rouge to consider, but I don't get the scum vibes from him. I'm unsure of Sineish.

[olio]

So far I'm not convinced by Sineish's explanation. I still think his vote is random vote trying to be non-random. At the moment it's the scummiest we got in my opinion.
vote: Sineish

Really? Sineish is really looking scummy to you for his "non-random random" post? It looks like the line of reasoning you're using (based on your previous post) is because of semantic differences over the word "random".

You did smoothly leave out the "at the moment" part I have there. Also you're putting words like

really

in my mouth. Thanks for that.

It's day one. What kind of evidence you base your first vote? Did you notice the page where my vote was given?

Few reasons from top of my mind why Crola claimed now:
Unkillable/-lynchable role
Wins game when lynched (wasn't there something like that in the bookshop-mafia
Scum
Poor play

This post also strikes me as odd. It looks like you're trying to appear as though you're contributing without putting anything useful out there. Notice there's no stance taken here as to which one he thinks is correct. This also could be baiting.

So you'd rather we stay silent and not give our opinion about things happening in the thread? Looks like we have bit different style of playing and that's a crap reason for a vote.

I agree with Commodore Amazing.
unvote: Sineish
vote: spork76

This looks like a post pull.

What does "post pull" mean? I agree with Commode Amazing's reasoning and vote the person I find scummiest at the moment. You'd rather I vote without giving explanation, eh?

I don't think Commodore Amazing is scummy for that post because he put forth substance. You used his post as justification for yours rather than appropriating it. In fact, it would lead later to the idea of "if I'm wrong, look at the guy who put forth the idea", almost what you've done here. Also, do you think I should think Commodore Amazing is scummy?

I'm bit lost: what's the difference between justification and that appropriating thing? Should I repeat somebody's words when I agree with him? How much you think there's information on day one, really? Why do you give Sineish free pass now when he has jast agreed with Mr. Flay and voted me based on that agreement?

Here's the thing: you haven't constructively moved the game along. You don't seem interested in doing so. My guess is beause you're scum. Happy with my vote.

Here's the thing. Your reasons behind my vote are crap and points from a) to c) go for Mr. Flay too.

a) You are voting me because my first vote in the game doesn't have word random attached to it and it's based on very little information.
b) You are voting me because I agree with somebody else's logic and vote for person I find more evidence against than that little information I based my first vote on.
c) You're expecting me to have solid reasons behind my day one votes after few pages of posts.
d) You start game from page 5, I start game from page 1. Which one has more information to start with?
e) You don't seem to have any problems with Sineish's vote.

OMGUSvote: Thesp

At the moment Sineish is next in my list with Mr. Flay and Drummer.

[Thesp]

You did smoothly leave out the "at the moment" part I have there. Also you're putting words like

really

in my mouth. Thanks for that.

It's day one. What kind of evidence you base your first vote? Did you notice the page where my vote was given?

I'm confused. I quoted your entire post and didn't add anything to it. Where am I putting words into your mouth?

I also thought I'd detailed the evidence for my first vote. You quoted large parts of it, if I'm not mistaken. It's not concrete, but it's something to go on.

Also, I don't buy the "It's day one" stuff. We can still work from hunches and guesses. That's what I've got here. I did notice what page it was, so I thought the particular accusation in the tone of your posts that early (as it came across to me) was odd.

So you'd rather we stay silent and not give our opinion about things happening in the thread? Looks like we have bit different style of playing and that's a crap reason for a vote.

No...far from it. I think we should definitely give our opinion on things. My point on this post is that I thought you

hadn't

given an opinion.

What does "post pull" mean? I agree with Commode Amazing's reasoning and vote the person I find scummiest at the moment. You'd rather I vote without giving explanation, eh?

It means you pulled someone else's post as your own. It allows you to deflect any criticism, should the vote turn out to be on an innocent (as this one appears to have been) upon the initial poster. Given your lack of significant contribution to the thread at the time, it struck me as odd.

I'm bit lost: what's the difference between justification and that appropriating thing? Should I repeat somebody's words when I agree with him? How much you think there's information on day one, really? Why do you give Sineish free pass now when he has jast agreed with Mr. Flay and voted me based on that agreement?

Sorry for my use of terminology. I'm a philosophy major, so sometimes I get absurdly precise/erudite in my terminology. When you appropriate something, you make it your own. I wasn't convinced you had really believed in the scumminess of spork76. You may have, it just didn't appear that way to me. I've also stated what I think about any arguments re: the futility of Day One. We're also beginning to build a nice track record.

Also, re: Sineish, who says I'm giving him a free pass?

Here's the thing. Your reasons behind my vote are crap and points from a) to c) go for Mr. Flay too.

a) You are voting me because my first vote in the game doesn't have word random attached to it and it's based on very little information.
b) You are voting me because I agree with somebody else's logic and vote for person I find more evidence against than that little information I based my first vote on.
c) You're expecting me to have solid reasons behind my day one votes after few pages of posts.
d) You start game from page 5, I start game from page 1. Which one has more information to start with?
e) You don't seem to have any problems with Sineish's vote.

OMGUSvote: Thesp

At the moment Sineish is next in my list with Mr. Flay and Drummer.

a) It didn't come across as random. I'm fine with hunches on very little information, this one seemed out of place, though.
b) I'm not sure I understand what you're saying here. If you're finding evidence against anyone, though, I'd love to hear it.
c) I think this is a mischaracterization. I don't think you need rock-solid proof, but working from something would be nice. It'd be nice to see where you're coming from, and I haven't really seen that.
d) This is not only a terribly unhelpful way to think, but it's also conceivable that being a replacement helps me think things more clearly. Having no attachment to the thread until page 5 gives me a unique, outsider's perspective not swayed by the throes of daily reading. I may be incorrect, but I think it's silly to be dismissive over this. If you have secret information I don't have from being here for pages 1-4 (which I can and have read), I'd love to hear it so you can get me up to speed.
e) Not sure I do yet. I'm still pondering that one, but right now I think you look scummier.

[Drummer]

Care to explain your suspicions of

me

, Olio? Looks like another OMGUS argument. I'm thinking my vote is in the right place.

[Aelyn]

*BUMP* over closed threads.

I'm kinda tired now, so I'm going to bed, but I will re-read tomorrow and weigh in with my thoughts.

[Thesp]

*beats up Bamboomancer, KingEnigma, and spork76 with his paper fists*

Actually, I'd love to hear more thoughts from d_rouge. Soon, actually.

[olio]

I'm confused. I quoted your entire post and didn't add anything to it. Where am I putting words into your mouth?

How about this:

Sineish is really looking scummy to you for his "non-random random" post?

Where did I say Sineish

really

looking scummy to me?

I also thought I'd detailed the evidence for my first vote. You quoted large parts of it, if I'm not mistaken. It's not concrete, but it's something to go on.

Also, I don't buy the "It's day one" stuff. We can still work from hunches and guesses. That's what I've got here. I did notice what page it was, so I thought the particular accusation in the tone of your posts that early (as it came across to me) was odd.

These statements seem contradictory to me or then I've misunderstood something. You're saying you don't have concrete evidence and at the same time you don't believe in "day one" stuff. In my opinion "day one" stuff is same thing as not having concrete evidence, at least not for your first few votes on the first few pages.

What does "post pull" mean? I agree with Commode Amazing's reasoning and vote the person I find scummiest at the moment. You'd rather I vote without giving explanation, eh?

It means you pulled someone else's post as your own. It allows you to deflect any criticism, should the vote turn out to be on an innocent (as this one appears to have been) upon the initial poster. Given your lack of significant contribution to the thread at the time, it struck me as odd.

That's crap. How do I deflect criticism by agreeing with Commodore Amazing? With my agreement I signed his conclusions. You'd rather I repeat the words of others and try to present them as my own thoughts? That's scummy to me.

Once more: what kind of significant contribution you're waiting on day one? Am I really the only one in your opinion who hadn't contributed to the thread at that point you maded your post? And why do you believe spork is innocent?

When you appropriate something, you make it your own. I wasn't convinced you had really believed in the scumminess of spork76. You may have, it just didn't appear that way to me. I've also stated what I think about any arguments re: the futility of Day One. We're also beginning to build a nice track record.

So you think I'm scummy because I didn't try to pass Commodore's thoughts as my own reasoning for my vote (appropriating) but instead said I agreed with his thoughts? To me that sounds like a flawed logic, no offense. What does that track record mean?

Also, re: Sineish, who says I'm giving him a free pass?

I am. He agreed with Mr. Flay's reasons for voting me and you didn't find that worth FOS, though my agreement with Commodore's reasoning seem to be one of your main reasons for voting me.

b) You are voting me because I agree with somebody else's logic and vote for person I find more evidence against than that little information I based my first vote on.

b) I'm not sure I understand what you're saying here. If you're finding evidence against anyone, though, I'd love to hear it.

My first vote against Sineish had very little reason behind it. I agreed with Commodore's thoughts and switched my vote to person I felt was more scummier ie. I had more reason behind my second vote than my first.

c) I think this is a mischaracterization. I don't think you need rock-solid proof, but working from something would be nice. It'd be nice to see where you're coming from, and I haven't really seen that.
d) This is not only a terribly unhelpful way to think, but it's also conceivable that being a replacement helps me think things more clearly. Having no attachment to the thread until page 5 gives me a unique, outsider's perspective not swayed by the throes of daily reading. I may be incorrect, but I think it's silly to be dismissive over this. If you have secret information I don't have from being here for pages 1-4 (which I can and have read), I'd love to hear it so you can get me up to speed.

I think you're missing the point. When I made my first vote, there was almost nothing to base it on. My second vote had more substance as I saw Commodore's reasoning a valid one. That doesn't mean there was rock-solid base on that vote, but there was more foundation that on my first vote.

Now, when you made your first vote you had 5 pages information, which I didn't have when I made my votes. So you could go through multiple posts from one person and base your vote on them, when I didn't have that luxury when giving those two votes. Yet you're accusing me for not having some solid evidence for my first and second vote, if I'm not mistaken.

Drummer, care to tell me why you vote me?

[Crola]

Argh, I died, kind of, even though it says I'm still fighting. Good luck all.

[Mr. Flay]

Crola, I thought you'd been replaced?

I'm still pretty happy with my vote as it stands. More later...

[Sineish]

I'm confused. I quoted your entire post and didn't add anything to it. Where am I putting words into your mouth?

How about this:

Sineish is really looking scummy to you for his "non-random random" post?

Where did I say Sineish really looking scummy to me?

I think you're quibbling over semantics here. Thesp wasn't saying that you said that I looked 'really scummy', he was asking if you 'really' thought I was 'looking scummy'.

I think you're being just a little bit too defensive here and although you have made some good points, I'm still happy to keep my vote where it is.

S.