MoI, her plan was "take an unflipped tile if you're not close to spelling a word." Which means scum would know who did and did not have powers, which is a terrible, terrible idea, and all of the other ideas are just as terrible for this same reason.
Flip: B2
Arugula, your plan is the same as IceGuy's, which isn't inherently scummy, but passing it off as your own plan is sketch, and you're way too worried about what people think and have no conviction.
Vote: Arugula
P-edit x10000: oops, got bust at work and didn't post this... Gonna be so many ninjas
One Arugula vote, good, and then roman numerals with a really stupid plan, and then ... Okay gonna give up
Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 9:36 am
by Robocopter87
↑Voidedmafia wrote:Robo: No. I already (basically) said the fact that she couldn't have known that letter in particular could come up doesn't make her scummy.
Also, while that's true, it's not as dangerous as getting an "n" is. IMO, Ninja is a far better role for scum than PGO is, and scum have no need for Cops or CPR, so I suppose the most you've done as scum is give us one less chance to get a Cop.
To the first part:
Better, I wasn't calling you scum, I was simply asking. You had given an answer that kinda went both ways. I wanted to know if you believed LLD to be scum.
To the second:
Iceguy beat me to it.
Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 10:19 am
by Voidedmafia
1. Gotcha.
2. All right, that makes sense. However, even with that in mind, my reasoning with you is the same as with LLD: Since you didn't know you would get that letter at all, I can't call you scummy for it.
(I can call you you dumb, but that doesn't solve anything, does it?)
Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 12:40 pm
by Robocopter87
↑Voidedmafia wrote:(I can call you you dumb, but that doesn't solve anything, does it?)
The letter I got was on the list of important ones, do you think that I deserved the letter? Do you think that the letter I received is in good or bad hands?
Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 1:02 pm
by Voidedmafia
Whether or not you deserved the letter is irrelevant. I don't know the latter.
Why did you quote the parenthesis and what's your point?
Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 1:33 pm
by Quilford
Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 1:36 pm
by Arugula
↑Amrun wrote:
Arugula, your plan is the same as IceGuy's, which isn't inherently scummy,
It's not exactly the same, although it is similar.
↑Amrun wrote:but passing it off as your own plan is sketch,
Why? It doesn't help me if the plan is mine or not. Scum can present a good or bad plan.
↑Amrun wrote:and you're way too worried about what people think
People have been pretty harsh in this game, and if I really cared that much about what others thought of me, I would not have put it out there.[/quote]
↑Voidedmafia wrote:Robo: And I should assume you have gained some form of read from that, yes?
Yup, I think you are town.
And you got that how?
Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 2:59 pm
by Amrun
Yes, it's scummy, Arugula. Voided, what I mean by "no conviction" is that he's not proposing a plan he believes in, like LLD did (which she is townish for, btw). He is proposing a plan in an attempt to appear pro-town and apologizing for the plan right as he posts it.
Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 3:06 pm
by Voidedmafia
The "I'm prepared to be ripped apart" part?
hmm...Well, I originally didn't think about it when I first saw the post, as I originally didn't think that he wasn't showing conviction and that it was just his way of saying "I don't care if you tear into me, I'm still going to write it.". However, looking at it again makes that feel vastly diminish, and it doesn't feel at all like that. Feels more like "Well, here's this plan, if you like it, you like it; if not, well, okay."
Vote: Arugula
Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 3:08 pm
by DCLXVI
@arugula
why did you respond to amrun's case against you but ignored mine?
↑Voidedmafia wrote:Robo: And I should assume you have gained some form of read from that, yes?
Yup, I think you are town.
And you got that how?
Do you disagree?
Also, because your reasoning behind your actions are soundly reasoned and well motivated. Throw gut in there too. But there is quite a few people so I'm narrowing my list.
Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 4:07 pm
by Voidedmafia
Is that supposed to be my invitation to say "Nope, I'm scum"?
Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 4:12 pm
by Robocopter87
If you actually are scum that would be nice, yes.
This is getting to be rather irrelevant conversation.
Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 4:16 pm
by Arugula
@Amrun
That's all you have to say? Yes it's scummy?
@DCL
Basically, my response to you would have been "I wasn't trying to cover my ass and I didn't realize how similar my plan was to IceGuy's" and you would've said "Bullshit." There isn't anything I can really refute and prove.
@Voided
Whoa, post 112 is scummy as hell. Your original assumption of the meaning of my last sentence was correct. But then after Amrun says something different, you change your vote to me based on semantics? Even if my intention was what Amrun thinks, why does that incriminate me?
UNVOTE: DCL VOTE: Voidedmafia
Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 4:30 pm
by Voidedmafia
First, I misread the tone.
Secondly, Amrun prompted me to reread it, I didn't look at her post and go "oh, yeah, she's totally correct!".
Thirdly, because it also opens a way for you to easily back down by saying, "hey, guys, I was just putting that out there, don't worry about it" or somesuch. Basically, it allows an easy out for you.
Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 4:34 pm
by Amrun
Arugula, that's clearly not all I said. Nice misrep.
Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 4:38 pm
by DCLXVI
↑Arugula wrote:
@DCL
Basically, my response to you would have been "I wasn't trying to cover my ass and I didn't realize how similar my plan was to IceGuy's" and you would've said "Bullshit." There isn't anything I can really refute and prove.
amruns points were very similar to mine and you managed to respond to them.
Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 4:43 pm
by Arugula
@Voided
Fair enough, but that wasn't my intention and that does not mean I am scum, just underconfident town.
@Amrun
That is not a misrep. The only thing you said directed to me in that post was "yes, it's scummy".
P-edit: DCL, what do you want me to do about it now? I felt your case was more cut and dry, where you would have just said no to my explanation while Amrun's had more that I could explain.
Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 4:46 pm
by Voidedmafia
That's a web of technicality...owait, I'm possibly deluding myself.
Arugula, she did only say "yes it's scummy" to you, but if you didn't notice she elaborated on that point to me in that same post.
Not like she has to address you specifically for that.
Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 4:49 pm
by Arugula
But it wasn't answering some of the questions I posed in my post.