Open 417: Chosen Mafia - Heaven and Hell - Game Over!

[Near]

Scum team found: Arugula kcdaspot

Vote Arugula

[Near]

Arugula is scum. Either kdaspot or gitah is his partner.

[TeChNoWC]

@Techno - actually, I'd like you to take a crack at the Veto question too.

You. I nearly replaced into a game you were in at one point (won't comment, could be ongoing) and reading through it found you to be a very forward, aggressive player who was confident in his reads. If I was scum I would find you a formidable foe to try and lynch. I would probably choose you.

Although a close runner up would be Arugula; in mini 1337 he was completely unlynchable the whole game.

[Near]

Psyche requested replacement already?

Also
UNVOTE: Near
VOTE: Thor

For being on both of the L-2 wagons. Trying to quicklynch confirmed townies?

Seriously? This reason MUST be forced. L-2 only requires 4 votes, first of all. It is NOT that uncommon for random votes to reach 4. Especially Thor's first L-2 vote was obviously random - he brought up "speed lynching" on page 1. Also, how many times do you see a random bandwagon L-2 based on RVS stuff ever translates to lynch?

Second, as it has been already brought up, scums would lynch whoever they can - chosen or not. As an aside, your

incorrect

analysis that scums cannot win unless killing either of the chosen is not necessarily a scum tell. But your forced argument and actually taking that argument seriously IS.

Also, trying to make people think that you are very likely to be chosen ones is like trying to avoid getting lynched. Obviously, all towns should do this but not when your argument is based on something as unreliable as what I quoted above.

[Near]

Thor, I fail to see the point of your questions.

BTW, Technow is town clearly. He didn't know that scums get to find out who the chosen ones are. Incidentally, I didn't know that either. But I guess it's too late for me to use that as my town tell.

[Near]

Finally, I take back what I said about kcdaspot or gitah being Argula's partner. While kcdaspot is still scummy - like Arugula - for trying to make us believe that he's a chosen one, I mixed up kcdasopt with Gitah, who showcased his "genuinely conscious town" for threatening to lynch whoever quick hammers. Which obviously doesn't make sense, because kcdaspot was the one who was close to lynch at the time.

[Thor665]

Arugula is scum. Either kdaspot or gitah is his partner.

Then vote Kcdaspot.

Thor, I fail to see the point of your questions.

Then be quiet until people answer them before asking me derp questions.

BTW, Technow is town clearly. He didn't know that scums get to find out who the chosen ones are. Incidentally, I didn't know that either. But I guess it's too late for me to use that as my town tell.

Then Near gaks with me and combines a pretty solid town tell with the above derp and scummy defense question.
Meh.

I'm calling it derp town who doesn't realize how dumb that question was to ask, and in minor defense it wasn't a directed question more of an open musing.
Near can be town.

[Thor665]

Finally, I take back what I said about kcdaspot or gitah being Argula's partner. While kcdaspot is still scummy - like Arugula - for trying to make us believe that he's a chosen one, I mixed up kcdasopt with Gitah, who showcased his "genuinely conscious town" for threatening to lynch whoever quick hammers. Which obviously doesn't make sense, because kcdaspot was the one who was close to lynch at the time.

Gitah is probably town though so using him as the barometer to decide a scum pair seems not brilliant to me.
I'll agree Gitah is not scum with Kcadspot though...but, I kinda already thought that.

[Near]

Thor665 Arugula scum team

[Near]

Arugula is scum. Either kdaspot or gitah is his partner.

Then vote Kcdaspot.

Thor, I fail to see the point of your questions.

Then be quiet until people answer them before asking me derp questions.

BTW, Technow is town clearly. He didn't know that scums get to find out who the chosen ones are. Incidentally, I didn't know that either. But I guess it's too late for me to use that as my town tell.

Then Near gaks with me and combines a pretty solid town tell with the above derp and scummy defense question.
Meh.

I'm calling it derp town who doesn't realize how dumb that question was to ask, and in minor defense it wasn't a directed question more of an open musing.
Near can be town.

Defending your scum buddy much? Using noncommittal language like "can be town" much? Buddying me much?

[Thor665]

You think 'Near can be town' is noncommittal *and* buddying?

Derp much?

And, yes, you caught me, I'm defending my buddy because I want to lynch my top suspect who you indicated belief in as a top suspect as well. How clever of you, town never does that.

[Near]

Then vote Arugula

[Thor665]

Except (again - derp) you just got done explaining understanding it was random vote, so...?

[Thor665]

Also, I defended Gitah - we're a 3 man team with Arugula. You never saw it coming.
Seriously, dude, I can see your join date. Extract head from buttocks (or, if this is reaction testing do...y'know, one that is remotely any good?).

[Near]

OK. You don't think Arugula's accusing you for being on both L-2 wagon is forced?

[Kcdaspot]

i'd veto thor

cuz papa smurf be scary.

[Arugula]

I would veto Tech.

An Near, my vote isn't locked on Thor. It is the best reasoning I have at this point. Stop trying to make it seem like I am scum for putting down a vote with ACTUAL reasoning.

I don't really remember the other questions an I don't feel like looking back, but
I'm still not positive that me or kcdaspot is chosen, and I'm still not confident that Thor is scum. However, it is the best reasoning I have so far, and it does make sense.

P-edit: How was my accusation against Thor forced? It's true, isn't it?

[Thor665]

It's true - no need to force it and I admit I did exactly the votes he said I did.

I'll happily agree that the case is about three shades of silly if you want me to say that out loud. But...last I checked all the scum PMs didn't go to people who make silly cases (otherwise it's you/Arugula, natch). I was honestly more intrigued to see what momentum it did or didn't get and also see his response to my questions about the logic of the case before I chose to apply alignment opinion. The conclusions matter less than the motivations in my experience.

[Near]

@Arugula The premises were true, obviously. The conclusion is forced.

[Kcdaspot]

thor tunneling is meh.

thor hypothetical back at ya, I flip town off of lynch, who are your next suspects? and if i flip chosen would they still be your suspects

[Thor665]

@Argulua - trololol on same opinion of the validity of the true parts of your case...but.

The question you dodged was this: If I had voted someone who HADN'T almost been a lynch (and hadn't voted for Kcdaspot) would that person be the Chosen, or would Kcdaspot still be the Chosen?

@Kcdaspot - who lynched you and for what stated reasons and who stayed off the wagon and for what stated reasons? I can't answer question that complicated in a void without having the answer being incredibly pointless.

[Kcdaspot]

wha?

okay so you DONT have another scummy person or persons? just me?

[Kcdaspot]

srsly you dont your eye on anyone else?

[Kcdaspot]

dont have*

[Thor665]

I think my response was pretty clear - you asked me to offer an opinion on wagon analysis without having the wagon to analyze, that's a question I could only answer in the most useless way unless you give me the theoretical wagon info.

Currently you are my only scum read. What of it?