Yes because obviously Benmage is the easiest person to attack here, well known for getting frivolously quicklynched on the first day. His posts are throwaway comments on mod flavoring and rp complaining. If you were to actually read him you would realize he only has two questions, which he concludes with 'I don't know'. He's still on his McStab first bvote. I think it's really passive, especially for someone who I've always seen pride himself for throwing himself into the game, taking charge and outright having to tell people he wasn't going to be super active in a game.
In conclusion you're wrong and if you'd like to keep arguing about it I'm really good at quotewallwars when I'm not scum.
I think you're useless. We've both made statements with no context now!
Actually, you're wrong.
You probably mean reasoning or justification or content, and you'd still be wrong.
To clarify somewhat.
Several of Vifam's posts appear to be fishing expeditions, but when someone tries some stunt fishing that might actually work to find scum, Vifam blows it big time.
Several of Vifam's posts are noise. The
content
is lacking. It is still early days yet though.
Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 7:34 pm
by Shadoweh
As long as you understood what I meant and went out of your way to correct it. You're saying that it was scummy for him to ruin the gambit?
I've kind of gotten used to Vifam posting pages of noise so it doesn't phase me anymore.
Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 12:09 am
by Nostredeus
Agrees with #99.
Thoughts on a Mass Name-Claim? Apart from being fun I actually think it has pro-town utility; there are certain town aligned characters that will be in the game, whilst scum will no doubt have been given fakeclaims it's almost a certainty that they'll be more minor characters (at least comparatively).
Just throwing it out there, also:
#77 / #78 are just wut? Frankly when people think a game is moving at a glacial pace the right post is one that generates chat, anything else rubs me the wrong way.
VOTE: Shadoweh
Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 12:20 am
by Shadoweh
Mass Name Claim is probably a bad idea just because Faraday likes flavor and people can guess possible roles if they know the flavor enough. Bbesides, the minute anyone starts throwing around claiming of any sort the candy trail towards actual claiming looks more tempting to people.
PS: 'the right post is one that generates chat' *vote the person talking the most* tumut
Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 12:22 am
by Nostredeus
*shrugs* Probably right on the roles being linked to names thing.
My point about #77/#78 is still true.
Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 1:12 am
by ChannelDelibird
Two objections:
1) Outguessing what roles are likely fakeclaims doesn't end well.
2) Mass name claim isn't fun.
Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 1:18 am
by Nostredeus
Yeah, yeah, yeah it's not a good idea I can see that, shadoweh has covered why; I only suggested it for the sake of names like "avon" or "stringer" who are fairly likely to be in the game and town aligned.
Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 1:19 am
by Plessiezarus
↑Nostredeus wrote:whilst scum will no doubt have been given fakeclaims it's almost a certainty that they'll be more minor characters (at least comparatively).
Er. Have you played in a Farday-modded Theme game before? Because this is almost certainly
not
true. Faraday likes to give the scum nice major-character fakeclaims.
↑Nostredeus wrote:whilst scum will no doubt have been given fakeclaims it's almost a certainty that they'll be more minor characters (at least comparatively).
Er. Have you played in a Farday-modded Theme game before? Because this is almost certainly
not
true. Faraday likes to give the scum nice major-character fakeclaims.
I think you're useless. We've both made statements with no context now!
Actually, you're wrong.
You probably mean reasoning or justification or content, and you'd still be wrong.
To clarify somewhat.
Several of Vifam's posts appear to be fishing expeditions, but when someone tries some stunt fishing that might actually work to find scum, Vifam blows it big time.
Several of Vifam's posts are noise. The
content
is lacking. It is still early days yet though.
That's just how I roll I guess
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Nost
Don't like the vote on Shadoweh, seems like he's just throwing it out there to join the wagon
Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 1:59 am
by Vifam
Also nameclaiming is a bad idea and you should feel bad
1) Read Shadoweh's #79 and #86
2) Realize that they are both full of shallow, fake scumhunting complete with a shitty attack on Benmage and a question to Arthur that reads like she's more interested in swaying his vote than actually interested in his thoughts.
3) Vote Shadoweh for mafia 2013
4) Townread Empire (optional, but recommended)
79 isn't scummy. 86 is a little I guess, but meh. Thoughts on our vote?
Mass claiming
anything
is not happening on day one.
~Sotty
Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 2:39 am
by SafetyDance
Vote:Ser Arthur Dayne
I agree with Benmage. The RP is not helping and is annoying.
Bubbles is a scum CI anyway.
Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 2:57 am
by Cerulean
Only have time for a short, quick post at the moment since I have class all day today.
↑Shadoweh wrote:Yes because obviously Benmage is the easiest person to attack here, well known for getting frivolously quicklynched on the first day. His posts are throwaway comments on mod flavoring and rp complaining. If you were to actually read him you would realize he only has two questions, which he concludes with 'I don't know'. He's still on his McStab first bvote. I think it's really passive, especially for someone who I've always seen pride himself for throwing himself into the game, taking charge and outright having to tell people he wasn't going to be super active in a game.
Ok when you lay out all of those reasons, I can see where you're coming from on that vote. My issue now is this: why didn't you mention all of that when you put down the vote and just voted him on the RP complaining? The way it came across to me at the time was like you were cherry picking just one aspect of his play and attacking him on that. Also, my impression of Benmage's meta is very different but I'd rather talk about this later.
It's a fine vote in the sense that it's understandable. Thing is, for us, Tammy and I just got out of a game with both heads of that hydra and, at least as far as I'm concerned, just recently starting to get a hang of their respective meta. Konowa (who has been making most of the posts in that hydra so far) has a tendency to be pretty passive and lurky as both alignments but the degree to which he engages in the game is different when he's town vs. when he's scum. I don't have much of a read on them right now but I feel like they'll become easier to read with time so ask me again in a few pages?
Tammy's been busy with work lately but she might be able to sneak in some posts while I'm gone so you'll hear from her soon.
Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 3:12 am
by TheGreatestAmericanHero
unvote;
Vote: Nostredeus
103 and 105 are the weasliest ways to -not- Vifam.
Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 3:18 am
by TheGreatestAmericanHero
Nost, why do you agree with 99 but make zero analysis of Shadoweh's 100 which addresses Cerulean's 99?
↑jasonT1981 wrote:Sottyrulez eh? I take it Zach/Sotty hydra as opposed to just Sotty which is listed?
Go read the playerlist in the OP again.
He did:
If you read even only to page 2 in his direct response to us, you'll see that my response was not incorrect. Is there a purpose to bringing this up again? If there is I can't see one.
Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 3:46 am
by The Baltimore Sun
Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 3:49 am
by Benmage
↑Shadoweh wrote:outright having to tell people he wasn't going to be super active in a game.
Lost me on this one...What's it mean?
↑Shadoweh wrote:Yes because obviously Benmage is the easiest person to attack here, well known for getting frivolously quicklynched on the first day.
Anyways, whether attacking me is easy or not, your gripe with me disliking RP is shit.
It was what page 4, what awesomeness am I suppose to have done by now?
-Don't like the BoP attack already, seen scum tunnel on good players (because no scum would do that) Shit I've tunneled on the best available player as scum before with quite success.
Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 4:03 am
by Benmage
I'll echo the useless-ness in mass-name-claiming.
Moreover I wouldn't be surprised at all if either Avon or Stringer were scum safeclaims. Example would be Cersei as a previous safeclaim in one of his Song of Fire n Ice games.
↑jasonT1981 wrote:Yea but there is not one white person in the Barksdale crew from memory. So anyone claiming a white guy would be not town.
Massclaim? Names only?
not a chance on day 1... theme game mass claims lead to trying to link roles to characters etc and give scum too much info in regards to who may be potentail power roles. No Mass claim, especially not on D1.
↑TheGreatestAmericanHero wrote:Jason, why is 22 more likely to come from scum? Thoughts on peta's 37 then?
We won't be signing posts, as we feel that our posting styles are easily distinguishable. rofl doesn't capatilize anything.
Soft defending if nothing else, useless post to get information from without a flip anyway.
↑jasonT1981 wrote:And all you heard was me rambling lol.. you will get used to it. But in short it only caught my eye the 2nd time around.
You take extra caution to make your jokes, or you hiding some wires?
your OMGUS is lol. I was asked a question, I responded... maybe you should look at the question that was asked to me that prompted this response. looksies, I will be nice and quote it for you.
See the bigger picture now? I was not taking extra caution to make jokes, I was responding directly to a question.. Thanks for playing, however no prize you for.
↑Benmage wrote:@SAD, RP'rs are annoying. Please stop.
↑Benmage wrote:@CBD I think I get what you're suggesting, or trying to explain...from my experience scum can tend to overthink how to "properly" interject themselves into a game. I often find over-the-top 'cutesy' attitudes to come from scum. Is this the case here.... I don't know.
Yeah, this is my point, and what I'm not saying is "this is proof that absta is scum". I'm saying "this reason why absta could be scum is a better reason to vote him than it is to leave a random vote on somebody else".
Yea, scum over compensate to try and fit into the game to make themselves look town. I have a feeling this is what SAD is doing.
↑Benmage wrote:@SAD, RP'rs are annoying. Please stop.
What? Yo you talk like that around here you end up with a bullet between your eyes. People be thinking you some type of undercover cop or some shit. Yo you got a problem with me b you can say so, otherwise I'm just trying to catch 'em people who be coming around and poking their noses in shit they ain't suppose to. You focusing on small things like this is raising alarms for me. I ain't implying anything yet, but I'm just bein' real with you.
Yea, cut it out now please and actually focus on the game as oppossed to trying to hard to make you look like town with cutsie baltimore street lingo..
↑Benmage wrote:My point against the RP, is I don't want to have to attempt to decipher what someone is saying. Moreover I don't want scum hiding behind some rp nonsense and backtracks or makes up meaning of intent.
Tell me somethin' you ain't clear on and I'll enlighten ya. Though you throwing bullshit my want won't hold up in court, y'hear? Don't be throwing around nonsense 'less you wanna get shot down here.
Any chance you can cut this out and you know, play the game?.... Also, the shot bit??? don't scum in mafia games mostly do the shooting?
↑Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:Also, it's quite amusing to see someone attack me right on my first post, real Mr-Look-I'm-Town-Here, y'know?
does not matter if it is your first post or 100th post... if its scummy you are going to get called on it
I agree with Benmage. The RP is not helping and is annoying.
Bubbles is a scum CI anyway.
Are you voting him because you think he is scum or beause his RPing is annoying you?
Not going to quote but Safety, what is the point of 117 ?
edit by way of reading further - I see Sotty/Zach already asked would love an answer too.
Right now I see 3 possible scum in SAD which you already know as to why. SafetyDance due to his wagon jump on SAD (possible bussing maybe) with a weak as hell reason and Vifam who seems to be posting a lot. but 99% are one liners fluff with little to 0 input on current events in game.
I agree with Benmage. The RP is not helping and is annoying.
Aight, yo listen, y'hear? Shit don't make no difference! I ain't speaking another language, ya acting like I'm speaking some fucking Chinese or some shit. Yo this messed up man. Ya sittin' there with your little rich-man persona callin' out people on shit that make no difference! Ya'll acting like you so high and mighty yet you is focusing on little shit, instead of actually, y'know, looking for 'em men we suppose to be huntin'?
