Micro 142: Pokemon! [TEAM ROCKET VICTORY]

[Ravenpaw]

and no I didn't, I just questioned the usefulness of what he was asking, which wasn't very.

Second Conf. town or conf. scum lynch isn't very useful?

no, it is but I didn't see that when I had questioned it. I'm stating what I saw then

no I have not come across a lie detector, why?

and no I didn't, I just questioned the usefulness of what he was asking, which wasn't very.

Because I remember you saying that you were fairly experienced on another board so it felt a bit odd to me you hadn't come across a lie detector before.

And yeah, asking about the usefulness of something Jason was doing

is

questioning his motives.

I am yeah, around 10 months but a lie detector isn't a common role ,from what I understand, and it can easily be over-powered.

and no, just because you have town motives for something, doesn't always mean the outcome will always be useful.

That's not what I was getting at, I was pointing out the fact that you explicitly said that Jason's motives were not questionable, but anyone doing an iso can see that you did question his motives and therefore it is hypocrisy on your part.

[JasonWazza]

What does Oped mean?

OverPowered

Basically means that a role is too strong to be used (Lie Detector is basically a cop in claimed situations.)

[Ravenpaw]

There are way too many abbreviations used on this site lol.

[shos]

99.
first quote:
"this is scummy!"
"why?"
"not tellinggggggg"
...hun, are you 9 years old? :/

second quote:
"you never said you made a mistake"

Raven was saying i was over-eager for posting "i am town" twice in the same post...

*sigh*

I get it now .__.
took me a while to get that. mescuzzy.

QED

third quote:
fair enough. I'll try to get that for you later. should be noted tho, that Jason himself said he did not fear to play scummy a few posts agi >_>

forth:
see second.
also, actively ignoring someone is definitely not inherently anti town. in this case, for example, we can go and grind again and again about the same subject about that hypocrisy thing, and it will just distract that town from scum, despite the fact that it has already been completely resolved.

fifth:

My case on you Shos is this: you jumped quickly onto my wagon by grabbing onto Hyper’s invalid reason. You did not look at the actual posts that created this conflict because if you had you would’ve realised that it was invalid. Also you have continually misrepped people and you are overly defensive. Your reaction to the roles in the game in post 51 is also very telling to me.

look. Hype voted you. one page TWO. barely RVS some may say. I voted you too, SECOND VOTE. what wagon are you talking about; yours did not even rise enough.
you say that I continually misrepped people, when it's been repeatedly repeated that it was precisely one mistake (which, now, it is your turn to miss). overly defensive? I don't think so. not in this game at least >__> here I'm just responding to you. you attack me, I defend, really not overly defensive.
about post 51: that's a realy long post, I have no idea what you are talking about, and what it is telling you.

sixth: so you're saying you basically guessed his role correctly, based only on the fact he asked us to post we're town? O_o;;
if that is the case you must be superman or something. I've seen people ask people to say they're town dozens of times and never seen a lie detector yet.

last quote:
so if you never played with one, I didn't, MS didn't, and who knows about the others, how did you guess he's a LD?
OPed=OverPowered.

about SK - site server is currently down so I can't look at his ISO now(also this message I'll probably send later :\ ) but if memory serves right, it all started with SK suggesting we claim our pokemon which is antitown.

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@post 100: you are the one who decided that not cooperating = questioning motives.. >_>

[shos]

wrote this like an hour ago XD

[Hyperion]

I'm back
I'll start reading.

[JasonWazza]

we can go and grind again and again

@Mod: Am i allowed to post this in the no context quotes thread?

Post-game. Thou shalt not break site rules for humor.

so if you never played with one, I didn't, MS didn't, and who knows about the others, how did you guess he's a LD?

I was kinda hoping for this ignorance so i could kinda just glide it in without much being said about it.

[Ravenpaw]

99.
first quote:
"this is scummy!"
"why?"
"not tellinggggggg"
...hun, are you 9 years old? :/

We’ve already addressed this. The core of the matter is that everyone who has a townie PM will know exactly what I am getting at, so there is no point in me explaining it. Those who do not get it most likely did not get a townie role. Also SK has already hinted at what I am addressing if you really really want to know.

second quote:
"you never said you made a mistake"

Raven was saying i was over-eager for posting "i am town" twice in the same post...

*sigh*

I get it now .__.
took me a while to get that. mescuzzy.

Ok sorry, I did not realise that was you addressing me.

fifth:

My case on you Shos is this: you jumped quickly onto my wagon by grabbing onto Hyper’s invalid reason. You did not look at the actual posts that created this conflict because if you had you would’ve realised that it was invalid. Also you have continually misrepped people and you are overly defensive. Your reaction to the roles in the game in post 51 is also very telling to me.

look. Hype voted you. one page TWO. barely RVS some may say. I voted you too, SECOND VOTE. what wagon are you talking about; yours did not even rise enough.

It was a wagon because there were 3 votes.

about post 51: that's a realy long post, I have no idea what you are talking about, and what it is telling you.

Your first paragraph.

sixth: so you're saying you basically guessed his role correctly, based only on the fact he asked us to post we're town? O_o;;
if that is the case you must be superman or something. I've seen people ask people to say they're town dozens of times and never seen a lie detector yet.

last quote:
so if you never played with one, I didn't, MS didn't, and who knows about the others, how did you guess he's a LD?

Yeah I did guess it, but nah not Superman, can I be Catwoman instead?
And how did I guess it? Well I already explained this, but okay let’s go a bit more in-depth. When Jason asked us to all post a statement saying ‘I am town’ so he could use it for later, my brain started to think. I recalled another game that I had read where there had been a lie detector role and that this person could choose any statement from someone and submit it to the mod who would tell them if it was a lie or not. So key for this player was to get everyone to say something like I am town or I am not scum. Add in the fact that Jason is an IC my brain concluded that he did not have a malicious intent and that he was probably given a lie detecting ability.

@post 100: you are the one who decided that not cooperating = questioning motives.. >_>

[/quote]
Misrep! I did not say this. What I said in regards to Ms M was that she had said that Jason's motives were not questionable, YET she had previously questioned him over his motives in wanting people to post that statement.

Also a question you missed answering Shos:

What exactly about my reaction do you feel justifies a FOS?

[Hyperion]

ok then...
@JW - just so i understand...you have to wait until someone is at L-1 and then you can say "intent to hammer" and that will allow you to perform a lie detect on them?

If this is the case, then i suggest we don't wait until close to deadline to get the first wagon going, just in case they do come back as town, we might need some time to find a good counterlynch...
also for the first wagon, i suggest that the player need not role-claim at L-1, seeing as you can verify them...this might keep a town PR from outting himself to scum.

I definately agree with this, kinda surprised it really hasnt been brought up again. I think the deadline is on the 25th, so should we try to shoot for at the least having someone at l1 by the 23rd or so, that way if they come up town we still have time to decide on a different lynch?

Vote: Sword

For repeating the ‘I am Town’ statement, seems like you’re a little too keen to push that idea through.

Also

Vote: Ravenpaw

For reminding me of harry potter for some reason

It’s weird you saying this because my avatar is Emma Watson lol.

Also for Jason: I am town.

So you voted Sword for the "I am town" statement ad then do the exact same thing?

VOTE: Ravenpaw
Also, for now I am against nameclaims

No, Swords posted the “I am town” twice in his post (I bolded it below so you see it!):

Lol...JW..
Bad enough you claim IC....
don't try and paint a giant ass bullseye on yourself or nothing. ..


But sure. .. for easy viewing pleasure:

I am town

Also

Vote: Ravenpaw

For reminding me of harry potter for some reason

I am town

Did you not properly read his post or something?

may I ask how 'later' you are planning to use that I am town thingie.?

also Hype got a point

VOTE: Ravenpaw

You’re attack is not very effective shos, after seeing what I just wrote above do you still feel Hyper has a point?

Alright, I see what your saying, by "repeating the I am town statement" I thought you meant that he was scummy for blindly following Jason when you actually meant that he was scummy for saying it twice in one sentence. My bad.

I don't see why we don't claim our Pokemon. Jason first and then popcorn? Or just go down the playerlist in order (that means me first)?

I'm town btw

No. It'll be bad. Scum can guess what role

I'm fairly sure nobody is a VT...
Anyway yeah didn't think about how protective would be obvious.

Unless magikarp

And this is your only contribution, you come back and post this and one more post voting for Shos (or maybe it was SK I don't remember which), did you have any thoughts on anything else?

when something looks odd, I ask about it and question it, even if it comes from a conftown. it's not in order to imply you're scum, it's in order to understand.

if it was something like, "everyone post in bold, daykill: thenewearth", on the basis of 'trust me', would you do that?? nope. you'd ask about it. even if it was a conftown talking

.

That is a completely different beast. the "I am town" thing really does scream "hey I'm a lie detector" whereas haveing people post "daykill: XXXX" is obvious rolefishing.

Also: Post 51 is a very useless "wall" (using that lightly as real walls actually contain important content) containing mostly setup speculation.

UNVOTE: for now. Will figure out other stuff later

[sword_of_omens]

@Shos - Ravenpaw is town…

Unvote: Ms Mar

I did read the links…and she really doesn’t like to vote…
you should remedy that, Ms Mar…voting allows town to get a better feel for you…voting shows commitment and gives us all a better understanding of where you are coming from…that way later down the line we can look at everything from a bigger picture to try and understand your motives for what you did. It helps town make better decisions…

Meanwhile…
I too think Sleepy might be the right lynch today…

I don’t want to put him at L-1 though, yet…
just in case he’s town and there is a scum double-voter or something..
which could stop the lie detect from going through...

But consider this me putting him there…

[shos]

@107:
I don't get your insistence on not telling me what you want.
I just checked and indeed swords was voting you as well, so forfeiting that point
bout 51: you mean this:?
"Also, not only protective roles would be obvious. I mean duh Chansey is prob doc but ya know if I knew someone was Entei I'd have a guess about whether they're powerful >__> and if I have one charmander and one charizard against me as scum, I would obviously know which one to shoot. you've been acting bad. " what's this telling you?

look, if you really believe I am scum, you're going to have to

say

why, and not let me guess. this is the fourth time already~ I don't have to beg you to make a case on me, lol. if you're town, scumhunt, don't do halfway and stop, it looks fake.

about you being catwoman, if I get the time somewhen (probably sunday I can do that) I can link you to like 5 games that I played myself in which people asked people the same and it was for later use. that's bullshit. and you're bullshitting. if that game you're talking about's LD did the same, then by all means I withdraw and link me. if not, then I call bullshit. you said it was 'fairly obvious' to you. no way in hell. VOTE: Ravenpaw

also don't frekin tell me misrep, I'll get it for you.

no I have not come across a lie detector, why?

and no I didn't, I just questioned the usefulness of what he was asking, which wasn't very.

Because I remember you saying that you were fairly experienced on another board so it felt a bit odd to me you hadn't come across a lie detector before.

And yeah, asking about the usefulness of something Jason was doing

is

questioning his motives.

QEDed again

and about that last question of yours, we've been through this a gazillion times, right? wanna repeat it again? I'll help you get it in another post.

ninja'd, we'll get that soon

[shos]

may I ask how 'later' you are planning to use that I am town thingie.?

also Hype got a point

VOTE: Ravenpaw

No, Swords posted the “I am town” twice in his post

hype and me voted YOU. not SWORDS. have YOU been reading properly.?

however

it should be noted that I'm keeping an FoS on Raven, the reaction to my pressure justified it very well.

[shos]

alright calmeddown and now read hyperion's post, gotta lol at this, maybe after repeating it a thousand times raven will understand when it comes from hype -_-;

@hype: thenewearth came, voted SK to L-2, and disappeared. that's votable on my list; worse than SK coming to think about it.
about the daykill - of course it is different, but you get the point. maybe daykill wasn't the right choice on my end for an example, but it gets the idea through. If it was, "everybody please post, in bold, 'nightkill: shos' please" then it's precisely the same.
about 51: why useless? O_o

which brings up the question again: while at L-1, do we want the lynchee to claim before the LD or not?

@swords - you can vote now, I've unvoted~

[JasonWazza]

shos, what about "knowing" i was a lie detector makes Ravenpaw scum?

Seriously answer me that.

[Zhero]

SK's wagon is pretty bad, unless there's more to it than suggesting a nameclaim. The nameclaim would've been anti-town, but I've seen townies suggest that sort of thing way too often to consider it a scumtell.

I've never played in a game with a Lie Detector before, but I've heard of them. Think I saw one in a game I read or something. It's not unreasonable to have not heard of them, though, not sure why there's so much discussion over that. (PEDIT: ^yeah, that)

Gut says VOTE: shos

[shos]

@Jason: generally a Lynch All Liars attitude (excusing gambits and stuff alike of course). When you see someone start making excuses for those little things, it rings a bell.

@Zhero: the discussion is not about 'having heard of'. it is about the fact that Raven has claimed in two different places two different things. One was that it was "fairly obvious" to him that Jason was a lie detector, and the other in this page (107) :

I recalled another game that I had read where there had been a lie detector role and that this person could choose any statement from someone and submit it to the mod who would tell them if it was a lie or not. So key for this player was to get everyone to say something like I am town or I am not scum. Add in the fact that Jason is an IC my brain concluded that he did not have a malicious intent and that he was probably given a lie detecting ability.

.
maybe it's a language barrier, but the way I understand it, it is completely different. considering the fact that the 'explanation' came AFTERwards, it rings a bell named "LIES".

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So now I have two people voting me, one who doesn't wanna say why, and the other is gut. perf. remind me next time to play with names I recognize >_>;

[shos]

I have to say I am annoyed. this game seems to revolve around too few people, and it with time they all vote within themselves, while others are barely heard and could be scum lurking to win.

[Ravenpaw]

@Shos in your post 111 you still do not explain what it was about my particular reaction that you feel was suspicious. Just quoting conversation is not explaining.

And if you gonna try and make cases about me being a liar at least quote all the so called “evidence” not just snippets that are convenient for you. So here is apparently my lie:

But I did think about it, my brain told me it was fairly obvious that he had some sort of lie detector ability.
Also, being that Jason is an IC, why should I have shown him any doubt in his motives?

And how did I guess it? Well I already explained this, but okay let’s go a bit more in-depth. When Jason asked us to all post a statement saying ‘I am town’ so he could use it for later, my brain started to think. I recalled another game that I had read where there had been a lie detector role and that this person could choose any statement from someone and submit it to the mod who would tell them if it was a lie or not. So key for this player was to get everyone to say something like I am town or I am not scum. Add in the fact that Jason is an IC my brain concluded that he did not have a malicious intent and that he was probably given a lie detecting ability.

So yeah, no lie there. Ms M asked me to explain how I was not suspect of Jason’s question and I explained, and then you repeatedly asked me questions about how my brain came to that thought so I explained with a lot more depth. It is hard to figure out one’s own brain processes and how thoughts happen the way they do, so for you to use this against me is pretty weak.

Finally, I'm a her, not him.

[Ravenpaw]

I too think Sleepy might be the right lynch today…

Why?

[JasonWazza]

@Jason: generally a Lynch All Liars attitude (excusing gambits and stuff alike of course). When you see someone start making excuses for those little things, it rings a bell.

Wait what?

That makes no sense as an answer to my question.

How do you go from, Ravenpaw assuming lie detector, to, Ravenpaw is a liar.

[Ms Marangal]

Reading Ravens responses, it seems fairly decent and it makes sense however I'm not ready to fully let go of her. I'm liking Sho's alot less now though, and I'm not following his logic anywhere. I defintely don't agree with LaL (Raven knows ) and Raven definitely isn't one to lie so accusing her as such is a pretty big misrep.

Sho's point against Sleepy is OMGUS. I'm not understanding his wagon at all. yeah, he asked for flavor claims, but that could have easily come from Noob town. is there anything else that makes him suspicious?

[JasonWazza]

we can go and grind again and again

@Mod: Am i allowed to post this in the no context quotes thread?

Post-game. Thou shalt not break site rules for humor.

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Reading Ravens responses, it seems fairly decent and it makes sense however I'm not ready to fully let go of her. I'm liking Sho's alot less now though, and I'm not following his logic anywhere. I defintely don't agree with LaL (Raven knows ) and Raven definitely isn't one to lie so accusing her as such is a pretty big misrep.

Sho's point against Sleepy is OMGUS. I'm not understanding his wagon at all. yeah, he asked for flavor claims, but that could have easily come from Noob town. is there anything else that makes him suspicious?

Ms M are you voting Sho's already?

If not would you consider doing so?

If you would consider doing so could you please

I'd vote him but honestly i want to hammer (assuming his lie detect comes up as scum >.>)

[Ms Marangal]

no I am not. I will vote when I vote.

[thenewearth]

@hype: thenewearth came, voted SK to L-2, and disappeared. that's votable on my list; worse than SK coming to think about it.
about the daykill - of course it is different, but you get the point. maybe daykill wasn't the right choice on my end for an example, but it gets the idea through. If it was, "everybody please post, in bold, 'nightkill: shos' please" then it's precisely the same.

That vote was because of the "mass pokemon claim" that he wanted. Which was very much anti-town.

And It's pretty much just L-2. There's still no harm in it

[thenewearth]

But anyways...

[unvote[/unvote]

Still catching up.

From what Zhero said, SK may be just a VT. Still catching up with everything though