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was hoping there was another mhork vote... will be interesting to see if scum come in 3rd, 4th, 5th... even as a hammer! due to the jeep's bandwagonning theory

No no, during the awarding of the house cup. Though that scene is why he got the 10 points.

I'm seriously hoping DV isn't scum again.

P-edit: Professor Quirrel.

Hmm, good question. I'm getting good town vibes from you and Mhork.
DV i'm not too sure about. I'm iffy there.

AA9 could be scum.

bah FB was hoping you posted on page 4 at the bottom... im going to play league... will check back in a bit

OH NICE TIMING BRO

obviously.... i know my HP, dude....
I don't think DV is scum. DV is my strongest townread for that bolded. I feel the exact same way DV does. You can see the timing of my posts vs. me reading the game... I had the same reasoning, but I didn't want to throw out weak sentiment on the vote... I was holding that in... I'm more of a descartes man, myself, than Ghostlin's English style. ahem. Sorry to go off on a tangent... I tend to do that when writing.. let me get back to this post.

Ah Quirrel... been so long since I read that... years... and I should probably kick the DVD in as a refresher.. I have 2 copies floating around
How are you getting townvibes from Mhork? He, to me, feels like he is reaching, lying about his reasoning, and being offensive to the point I would policy him if King!(maker hehe)
Our reads are completely backwards.... weird... maybe you should cast protego on my mind hahahahaha

I'm town this time Fuzzy.

In post 102, Saint wrote:bah FB was hoping you posted on page 4 at the bottom... im going to play league... will check back in a bit

OH NICE TIMING BRO

obviously.... i know my HP, dude....
I don't think DV is scum. DV is my strongest townread for that bolded. I feel the exact same way DV does. You can see the timing of my posts vs. me reading the game... I had the same reasoning, but I didn't want to throw out weak sentiment on the vote... I was holding that in... I'm more of a descartes man, myself, than Ghostlin's English style. ahem. Sorry to go off on a tangent... I tend to do that when writing.. let me get back to this post.

Ah Quirrel... been so long since I read that... years... and I should probably kick the DVD in as a refresher.. I have 2 copies floating around
How are you getting townvibes from Mhork? He, to me, feels like he is reaching, lying about his reasoning, and being offensive to the point I would policy him if King!(maker hehe)
Our reads are completely backwards.... weird... maybe you should cast protego on my mind hahahahaha

It's an..eh..associative tell I suppose. He's not playing like he was in Nuzlocke. If he's scum, we'll find out eventually.

DV- I'll believe you for now. You haven't said anything to make me change my mind.

In post 84, DeasVail wrote:Mhork, going on the offense is fine. I just find it hard to believe that you find so many things about Saint's post scummy.

TMT, what do you think of Saint?

IDK, can someone detail the flailing he's doing?

In post 95, fuzzybutternut wrote:

In post 91, Saint wrote:

In post 74, fuzzybutternut wrote:10 Points to mister Neville Longbottom!

this is a very weird post. are you referring to Ghostlin?

Saint..this is a quote from the movie. Neville gets the 10 points that wins gryffindor the House Cup.

I read this book as a grade school student and instantly hated Dumbledore for this move. What a pathetic, manipulative and childish act for someone so wise. But then again, the students are just pawns in his greater game of nurturing Harry, isn't it? And if Gryffindor didn't win the House Cup every year, that wouldn't work, WOULDN'T IT?

fuzzybutternut wrote:Oh god..Nuzlocke. That game. Mhork, why you freak out so bad?

TMTQRLZUQUOEPDH: Why is Bro your strongest town read?

Assuming this is me, mainly because of vibes and strong early game. Bro isn't that strong anymore.

Also, I really think Saint is town

I agree on the Saint read.
Not too sure about the Bro thing. I'm having a hard time reading him.

In post 105, TMTOLBTWNTOF wrote:Also, I really think Saint is town

Did you decide this before or after 82?

In post 107, DeasVail wrote:

In post 105, TMTOLBTWNTOF wrote:Also, I really think Saint is town

Did you decide this before or after 82?

DV has a point; the dialog in 82 seemed to indicate that TMT didn't like something about Saint and then went into how Town he was.

I guess I'll wait for saint's response to that one.

I've seen Mhork get upset as town, I've seen him get upset as scum. I've seen him not get upset as town too. Rather null.

In post 104, fuzzybutternut wrote:

In post 102, Saint wrote:bah FB was hoping you posted on page 4 at the bottom... im going to play league... will check back in a bit

OH NICE TIMING BRO

obviously.... i know my HP, dude....
I don't think DV is scum. DV is my strongest townread for that bolded. I feel the exact same way DV does. You can see the timing of my posts vs. me reading the game... I had the same reasoning, but I didn't want to throw out weak sentiment on the vote... I was holding that in... I'm more of a descartes man, myself, than Ghostlin's English style. ahem. Sorry to go off on a tangent... I tend to do that when writing.. let me get back to this post.

Ah Quirrel... been so long since I read that... years... and I should probably kick the DVD in as a refresher.. I have 2 copies floating around
How are you getting townvibes from Mhork? He, to me, feels like he is reaching, lying about his reasoning, and being offensive to the point I would policy him if King!(maker hehe)
Our reads are completely backwards.... weird... maybe you should cast protego on my mind hahahahaha

It's an..eh..associative tell I suppose. He's not playing like he was in Nuzlocke. If he's scum, we'll find out eventually.

DV- I'll believe you for now. You haven't said anything to make me change my mind.

mhork is bandwagonning with no reasoning other than his own meta hyperimposed onto me

#185, how can you hate dumbledore? :/

Woohoo catchup post time:

Well this got answered later.

In post 83, penguin_alien wrote:How do you plan to do that? Voting me is all well and good, but it's not really engaging with my vote on Saint. You say you don't like him flailing--do you think he's endangered scum flailing or frustrated town flailing?

Well I was hoping that a wagon would start on you so I could see you under pressure, but nobody else seemed to have the same idea (other than DV). So yes, let's talk about Saint.

His flailing seemed like scumflail at the start, but now I'd classify it more as nullflail. He at least seems to be doing some degree of scumhunting while trying to build a townblock of his strongest townreads. What I still don't like is that he's tunneling and not engaging with everyone. It means that if we lynch him, we only have his interactions/reads on a handful of players, so if he's scum he's limited our ability to get associative reads with everyone. Some good, some bad, so null.

What do you think of Mhork and DV, especially with respect to their interactions with each other and Saint?

In post 86, fuzzybutternut wrote:TMTQRLZUQUOEPDH: Why is Bro your strongest town read?

Oh look FBN thought the same thing as me. Let's be friends.

Also, for everyone in the game, his name stands for They May Take Our Lives But They Will Never Take Our Freedom. Now you don't have a reason to fuck it up. Or you can call him letters.

In post 105, TMTOLBTWNTOF wrote:Assuming this is me, mainly because of vibes and strong early game. Bro isn't that strong anymore.

Um, I literally did not post in the duration that your rid shifted. What?

In post 105, TMTOLBTWNTOF wrote:Also, I really think Saint is town

Why?

Sup

“To the well-organized mind, death is but the next great adventure.” - Albus Dumbledore

In post 84, DeasVail wrote:Mhork, going on the offense is fine. I just find it hard to believe that you find so many things about Saint's post scummy.

TMT, what do you think of Saint?

It's not that they are in themselves blatantly, hammer over the head scummy. It's that I find him scummy, thus these things could definitely suggest further scumminess. 66 was, however, full of a bunch of very sketch bullshit. What on my list has suspect reasoning?

In post 86, fuzzybutternut wrote:Oh god..Nuzlocke. That game. Mhork, why you freak out so bad?

TMTQRLZUQUOEPDH: Why is Bro your strongest town read?

'Cause my lynch was bullshit. Speedlynching is stupid and I was fairly protown.

In post 87, Saint wrote:fuzzybutternut is town... had this at the end, but i like to vote at the end of my post, so i'm moving this to the top... I seriously am upset right now, but it's not the end of the world if you all don't lynch me... I will be your hero, baby.
WOW I JUST HIT A BUTTON AND LOST LIKE A 20 LINE POST ... I WAS ALREADY to 2) on mhorks... at the bottom... i DO have scumreads... are you not reading? you're reaching, you have no reasoning, and if you're town you've got your head so twisted with inane theories that I want you gone on a policy lynch anyways

unvote;
vote: MHORK

Nice vote. Defend it with reasoning now. OMGUSing is a scumtell 'round these parts.

In post 88, Saint wrote:

In post 76, DeasVail wrote:Don't worry Fuzzy, it's great.

I may get back to Penguin later, but she's not who I want to focus on right now.

Unvote

Vote: Lord Mhork

(I'm sorry )

First, if you could link me to the game where you behaved similar to Saint, that would be great.

The vote is pretty much because the way he goes all out on Saint in 69, suddenly finding EVERYTHING scummy makes it seem more like scum deciding they want to attack a player (Saint) and then attacking whatever they can, rather than town trying to read the player.

I also find Ghostlin suspicious because of how he only considers there to be two possible suspects (more like scum focusing on who they want to attack than town trying to read every player. PoE is very unlikely at this stage of the game). Also, there's just a lack of town-ness to his posts that makes me really want him to vote him even though there's not all that much I have on him.

OH ANOTHER MHORK VOTE
NICE
THAT FITS INTO MY TOWNREAD ON AA

AA + BUTTERNUT, VOTING BLOC? PLZ? Seriously, I think you're both town with me, and we can get something done. Tentatively adding Deasvail to that list, because I like how offtopic she was reacting to Dr.P in glancing because where Dr.P bolded it I saw it already... it COULD be read as parroting, but I actually get townie vibes from that clubbing comment... just so out of place for a harry potter game, that I don't see it as scum

DeasVail. Not ArcAngel....

In post 89, Saint wrote:4) mixed with his comment about "this thing" which is rude as fuck and warrants/demands even more of a policy consideration... yeah... I'm happy with my vote, and it is not OMGUS whatsoever like my vote on safety dance/SD.

Ok, here's why you should vote Mhork

1) no reasoning

I have given reasoning

2) hypocrisy

Where?

3) bandwagonning without admitting to it; trying to justify a weak rvs vote; not acting like a fellow gentleman

...I was the first one on your wagon, then said after RVS that you were sketch and I was happy with my vote. And I'm the perfect gentleman, thank you. Fuck off.

Also so much Saint fluff... >.<
I didn't know that Om Nom had an alt...

TMTOLBTWNTOF: Why is Saint town to you? What about that AtE?

In post 110, SafetyDance wrote:I've seen Mhork get upset as town, I've seen him get upset as scum. I've seen him not get upset as town too. Rather null.

Yup.
Don't try to guess what's happening in this head. Just don't.

In post 111, Saint wrote:

In post 104, fuzzybutternut wrote:

In post 102, Saint wrote:bah FB was hoping you posted on page 4 at the bottom... im going to play league... will check back in a bit

OH NICE TIMING BRO

obviously.... i know my HP, dude....
I don't think DV is scum. DV is my strongest townread for that bolded. I feel the exact same way DV does. You can see the timing of my posts vs. me reading the game... I had the same reasoning, but I didn't want to throw out weak sentiment on the vote... I was holding that in... I'm more of a descartes man, myself, than Ghostlin's English style. ahem. Sorry to go off on a tangent... I tend to do that when writing.. let me get back to this post.

Ah Quirrel... been so long since I read that... years... and I should probably kick the DVD in as a refresher.. I have 2 copies floating around
How are you getting townvibes from Mhork? He, to me, feels like he is reaching, lying about his reasoning, and being offensive to the point I would policy him if King!(maker hehe)
Our reads are completely backwards.... weird... maybe you should cast protego on my mind hahahahaha

It's an..eh..associative tell I suppose. He's not playing like he was in Nuzlocke. If he's scum, we'll find out eventually.

DV- I'll believe you for now. You haven't said anything to make me change my mind.

mhork is bandwagonning with no reasoning other than his own meta hyperimposed onto me

...way to ignore the rest of my things I've said about you. My meta inspired me to take a closer look at you, which lead me to realize that you're sketch as fuck. You flail. You mope. You AtE. You OMGUS. You aren't doing anything to suggest your towniness and are bitching and moaning that I'm pushing a weak case on you. And I'm not bandwagoning. I was here first >.<

Hiya, Jake. We're on the same team this time, right? 'Cause Monopoly was just bad...

Idk what team are you on mhork.

I'll read up tonight.

Received prod*
this game is going slow...

Mhork, why do you consider AtE and OMGUS to be scumtells?

Tbh, i've seen town and scum do them, so it's a null tell for me.

In post 113, BROseidon wrote:Well I was hoping that a wagon would start on you so I could see you under pressure, but nobody else seemed to have the same idea (other than DV). So yes, let's talk about Saint.

His flailing seemed like scumflail at the start, but now I'd classify it more as nullflail. He at least seems to be doing some degree of scumhunting while trying to build a townblock of his strongest townreads. What I still don't like is that he's tunneling and not engaging with everyone. It means that if we lynch him, we only have his interactions/reads on a handful of players, so if he's scum he's limited our ability to get associative reads with everyone. Some good, some bad, so null.

What do you think of Mhork and DV, especially with respect to their interactions with each other and Saint?

I'd say lynching scum Day One would trump not having a complete set of interactions to work from. I do agree that he's more flailing in general now, but I still dislike his comment that he'd be more comfortable voting for me because he thinks others would be on the wagon, and he's ignored my follow-up on that. And I'd agree about his gathering town reads on people, except one of them is on AA9. And frankly I don't think she's been posting enough for anyone to classify her as town so definitively. She does have some tells that make her more likely to be town, but prod dodging isn't one of them.

As far as Lord Mhork and DeasVail go, I've been snowed by DeasVail scum before (/in-vitational 12) but he's not playing the same way. Then too he's not playing how he was when we were scum together, so it's kind of a wash. And I haven't played with him when he was town. As far as DeasVail's actual content here, he seems pro-town. If he and Lord Mhork are scum together, they're doing a pretty kick-ass job. Lord Mhork seems to be tunneling pretty narrowly so far, although I don't think I agree with the idea that him pointing out all the scumminess from Saint is scummy in turn--it's not his job to point out the towny things someone does if he thinks he's caught scum. And if he was, it would make me think he was getting ready to undermine his own case, indicating he didn't believe in it.

They're scum tells in this instance because Saint is using them in lieu of an actual defense. He's just trying to win town support against me.

By the way. Did anyone have issues with Saint just making up a fake town read on ArcAngel using a DeasVail quote? Or is it just me?

DeasVail wrote:

In post 105, TMTOLBTWNTOF wrote:Also, I really think Saint is town

Did you decide this before or after 82?

After, upon isolation.

Saint wrote:#185, how can you hate dumbledore? :/

:/

BROseidon wrote:

In post 105, TMTOLBTWNTOF wrote:Assuming this is me, mainly because of vibes and strong early game. Bro isn't that strong anymore.

Um, I literally did not post in the duration that your rid shifted. What?

1. Reconsideration
2. Town should keep making town posts or non-scum posts, at least.

In post 117, Lord Mhork wrote:

In post 84, DeasVail wrote:Mhork, going on the offense is fine. I just find it hard to believe that you find so many things about Saint's post scummy.

TMT, what do you think of Saint?

It's not that they are in themselves blatantly, hammer over the head scummy. It's that I find him scummy, thus these things could definitely suggest further scumminess. 66 was, however, full of a bunch of very sketch bullshit. What on my list has suspect reasoning?

I sense a hint of backtracking

In post 117, Lord Mhork wrote: Also so much Saint fluff... >.<

This is true.

In post 117, Lord Mhork wrote:
TMTOLBTWNTOF: Why is Saint town to you? What about that AtE?

Alright, I think you've sufficiently summarized and explained to me why Saint is scum, so I'll retract my townread on Saint.