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Reading comprehension is hard, let's play mafia >.>

Ok.

MC Ride gets lynched the day before LyLO and not before.

I find AS town for their claim.

I find Kdub town for his last post.

I don't have quite the warm fuzzy you do about AS.

My original plan was to play good enough to get nightkilled, which obviously failed. Claiming outright is cheap and not optimal.

I feel like bork is throwing around too many town reads with not enough scumreads (ie. none)

VOTE: bork

In post 96, fferyllt wrote:I've never seen the role before. Pretty wicked.

MC, what was your rationale for not claiming right away?

I was recently in a 9p game that had two millers. Two anti-town roles in a game this size isn't out of the question.

I apologize profusely if I'm doing something incredibly stupid, but I am a Town Ascetic, which the wiki has said to be a burden for town.
So a Miller, Hated Townie, and Town Ascetic?

In post 92, goodmorning wrote:

In post 87, MC RIDE wrote:Also, for the record I'm at L-1 now as I'm a Hated Townie.

I don't know that I necessarily believe this claim, seeing as it's not a very common role. ALSO this is a Micro UPick, I don't see 2/7 townies having negative utility roles.
So one of {you, hydra} is likely lying, in my books.

Scum claiming miller?

In post 1, RachMarie wrote:Specific to this game rules.

1. This is a upick role madness game there are no VTs.

2. This game may or may not be balanced.

3. Characters may or may not fit with the way they were in the books, in other words a good guy or gal in the books might just be mafia here and vice versa.

4. To simplify things for the mod lol. There are no 3rd party players.

Something to keep in mind.

In post 103, MC RIDE wrote:My original plan was to play good enough to get nightkilled, which obviously failed. Claiming outright is cheap and not optimal.

I feel like bork is throwing around too many town reads with not enough scumreads (ie. none)

VOTE: bork

That is sometimes the way things go down. If you disagree with the reasoning I gave, I want to hear about it.

TWTKEFEWFKEWFKEWF wrote:I apologize profusely if I'm doing something incredibly stupid, but I am a Town Ascetic, which the wiki has said to be a burden for town.
So a Miller, Hated Townie, and Town Ascetic?

This changes things, and I think the hated is the definite legit one out of the three.

still. pretty wild.

putting together a vote count brb.

fferyllt - 1 (, BRO, )
ArcAngel9 - 0 (, )
Amethyst Snowflake - 0 ()
goodmorning - 1 (, bork)
BROseidon - 1 (AS)
MC RIDE - 1 (, TMT, GM)
borkjerfkin - 1 (MC)

In post 101, borkjerfkin wrote:Ok.

MC Ride gets lynched the day before LyLO and not before.

I find AS town for their claim.

I find Kdub town for his last post.

Not the day before MYLO?

I don't understand the distinction right now considering we have an odd number alive, but sure.

AS has been bugging me. I think part of it is trouble sorting which posts are GiF's but I think I have that straightened out for now.

VOTE: GM

for a host of niggles.

In post 106, borkjerfkin wrote:

TWTKEFEWFKEWFKEWF wrote:I apologize profusely if I'm doing something incredibly stupid, but I am a Town Ascetic, which the wiki has said to be a burden for town.
So a Miller, Hated Townie, and Town Ascetic?

This changes things, and I think the hated is the definite legit one out of the three.

I have to agree. UNVOTE:

In post 104, TMTOLBTWNTOF wrote:

In post 92, goodmorning wrote:

In post 87, MC RIDE wrote:Also, for the record I'm at L-1 now as I'm a Hated Townie.

I don't know that I necessarily believe this claim, seeing as it's not a very common role. ALSO this is a Micro UPick, I don't see 2/7 townies having negative utility roles.
So one of {you, hydra} is likely lying, in my books.

Scum claiming miller?

Does scum ever claim miller? Is it feasible that this is scum?

In post 113, TMTOLBTWNTOF wrote:

In post 104, TMTOLBTWNTOF wrote:

In post 92, goodmorning wrote:

In post 87, MC RIDE wrote:Also, for the record I'm at L-1 now as I'm a Hated Townie.

I don't know that I necessarily believe this claim, seeing as it's not a very common role. ALSO this is a Micro UPick, I don't see 2/7 townies having negative utility roles.
So one of {you, hydra} is likely lying, in my books.

Scum claiming miller?

Does scum ever claim miller? Is it feasible that this is scum?

Yes. Somebody posted some example games in the 9p game with two millers that I referenced earlier. I'll have a look and post them when I get caught up on other stuff.

In post 114, fferyllt wrote:

In post 113, TMTOLBTWNTOF wrote:

In post 104, TMTOLBTWNTOF wrote:

In post 92, goodmorning wrote:

In post 87, MC RIDE wrote:Also, for the record I'm at L-1 now as I'm a Hated Townie.

I don't know that I necessarily believe this claim, seeing as it's not a very common role. ALSO this is a Micro UPick, I don't see 2/7 townies having negative utility roles.
So one of {you, hydra} is likely lying, in my books.

Scum claiming miller?

Does scum ever claim miller? Is it feasible that this is scum?

Yes. Somebody posted some example games in the 9p game with two millers that I referenced earlier. I'll have a look and post them when I get caught up on other stuff.

I was wrong. He didn't post links. he mentioned seeing scum claim miller in 5 previous games.

In post 103, MC RIDE wrote:My original plan was to play good enough to get nightkilled, which obviously failed. Claiming outright is cheap and not optimal.

WTF R U TALKIN ABOUT
People don't usually get placed at L-1 so early on the first day of play. And explain your reasoning as per the second sentence.

I feel like bork is throwing around too many town reads with not enough scumreads (ie. none)

What motivations would he have to do so as Scum? As Town?

In post 104, TMTOLBTWNTOF wrote:I apologize profusely if I'm doing something incredibly stupid, but I am a Town Ascetic, which the wiki has said to be a burden for town.

OK OK 2 MAYBE, BUT ????? These cannot possibly all be real.

In post 104, TMTOLBTWNTOF wrote:

In post 92, goodmorning wrote:

In post 87, MC RIDE wrote:Also, for the record I'm at L-1 now as I'm a Hated Townie.

I don't know that I necessarily believe this claim, seeing as it's not a very common role. ALSO this is a Micro UPick, I don't see 2/7 townies having negative utility roles.
So one of {you, hydra} is likely lying, in my books.

Scum claiming miller?

It's not out of the realms of possibility.

In post 106, borkjerfkin wrote:

TWTKEFEWFKEWFKEWF wrote:I apologize profusely if I'm doing something incredibly stupid, but I am a Town Ascetic, which the wiki has said to be a burden for town.
So a Miller, Hated Townie, and Town Ascetic?

This changes things, and I think the hated is the definite legit one out of the three.

Why?

In post 111, fferyllt wrote:AS has been bugging me. I think part of it is trouble sorting which posts are GiF's but I think I have that straightened out for now.

VOTE: GM

for a host of niggles.

:[ fffff stahp doin this suspecting me thing you always do


UGH


While I puzzle out which of the claims is/are fake.

We are PL'ing a Hated role, but not a miller role? why?

also, I don't think asectic is that much of an anti-town role.

I think both of these abilities are legit, though being asectic and being hated can also be scum roles. I'm leaning MC is more likely be scum over TMT.

I am still unsure about Bro, though I do think GM is likely town, I like her reactions to what has happened so far

and, if anything, Borkie can be town for not leading the PL against the miller, but then again he knows that we are harder to fight over TMT (I believe) so PL'ing him over us would be alot easier so there's that...

Hated scum is truly bastard

In post 116, goodmorning wrote:

In post 103, MC RIDE wrote:My original plan was to play good enough to get nightkilled, which obviously failed. Claiming outright is cheap and not optimal.

WTF R U TALKIN ABOUT
People don't usually get placed at L-1 so early on the first day of play. And explain your reasoning as per the second sentence.

This is a micro game and L-1 is when people actually start to back off from a wagon. That's a risk I didn't want to take. For the second sentence, my claim is going to force the town into a mislynch. I have a little something extra that prevents me from getting quicklynched at lylo by scum with no repercussions so I figured I'd be mostly safe even if I didn't claim.

In post 116, goodmorning wrote:

I feel like bork is throwing around too many town reads with not enough scumreads (ie. none)

What motivations would he have to do so as Scum? As Town?

Scum knows who the town is, so when they don't have any fabricated reads to throw around, it is really easy for them to say someone is town because they know they're going to be correct. Town's job is to find out who is scum, so townreads are of little help unless there's a really small pool of players left (which is not the case here)

In post 116, goodmorning wrote:[ fffff stahp doin this suspecting me thing you always do

Was I wrong about you likely being able to spot my scum game here? Your post 31 troubles me.

In post 120, MC RIDE wrote:

In post 116, goodmorning wrote:WTF R U TALKIN ABOUT
People don't usually get placed at L-1 so early on the first day of play. And explain your reasoning as per the second sentence.

This is a micro game and L-1 is when people actually start to back off from a wagon. That's a risk I didn't want to take. For the second sentence, my claim is going to force the town into a mislynch. I have a little something extra that prevents me from getting quicklynched at lylo by scum with no repercussions so I figured I'd be mostly safe even if I didn't claim.

I see. I think I know what you're talking about but I'm not going to spread it around, info like that would be best kept out of the hands of the Scum though they might be able to guess.

In post 116, goodmorning wrote:What motivations would he have to do so as Scum? As Town?

Scum knows who the town is, so when they don't have any fabricated reads to throw around, it is really easy for them to say someone is town because they know they're going to be correct. Town's job is to find out who is scum, so townreads are of little help unless there's a really small pool of players left (which is not the case here)

So not a townhunting-type then.

In post 121, fferyllt wrote:Was I wrong about you likely being able to spot my scum game here? Your post 31 troubles me.

Even if I could spot your scumgame, which I don't know whether I can, I'm really shit at convincing others to vote with me. The playerlist as a whole would not be likely to lynch you if you were Scum, IMO.

In post 122, goodmorning wrote:

In post 120, MC RIDE wrote:

In post 116, goodmorning wrote:WTF R U TALKIN ABOUT
People don't usually get placed at L-1 so early on the first day of play. And explain your reasoning as per the second sentence.

This is a micro game and L-1 is when people actually start to back off from a wagon. That's a risk I didn't want to take. For the second sentence, my claim is going to force the town into a mislynch. I have a little something extra that prevents me from getting quicklynched at lylo by scum with no repercussions so I figured I'd be mostly safe even if I didn't claim.

I see. I think I know what you're talking about but I'm not going to spread it around, info like that would be best kept out of the hands of the Scum though they might be able to guess.

In post 116, goodmorning wrote:What motivations would he have to do so as Scum? As Town?

Scum knows who the town is, so when they don't have any fabricated reads to throw around, it is really easy for them to say someone is town because they know they're going to be correct. Town's job is to find out who is scum, so townreads are of little help unless there's a really small pool of players left (which is not the case here)

So not a townhunting-type then.

In post 121, fferyllt wrote:Was I wrong about you likely being able to spot my scum game here? Your post 31 troubles me.

Even if I could spot your scumgame, which I don't know whether I can, I'm really shit at convincing others to vote with me. The playerlist as a whole would not be likely to lynch you if you were Scum, IMO.

I replaced into a scummy-looking slot in the referenced game. You seemed happy enough to dismiss that on the basis of my 4-5 initial posts at the start of day 2.

Hated townie claim aside, post 120 does not give me a pro-town feeling at all. MC is not today's lynch, but I might have some questions for him tomorrow depending on how this all plays out.

Town miller+hated townie+ascetic is still plausible in a role-madness type game, especially if those players could have other aspects to their role. I'm not going to say that one of them be scum just because of that. I find the manner of TMT's claim to be a town-tell because I don't see why scum would volunteer that information when he did.

VOTE: goodmorning

Going back with my original feeling, and I don't particularly like 116.