Mini 1489 - VisCon: Murder at Wingate Mansion [Game Over]

[Generic]

Assumption. I've played over 60 games across three different sites.

13 man game, 2 would mean scum need a minimum of 5 mislynches to win, if it was 4 mafia then they only need 3.

And I've been mafia in 3 out of the 4 completed games on MS, I think I got a grasp on how you guys split these things.

[TheGarantula]

Okie Dokie.

[Desperado]

Nacho and Tammy: This doesn't look like scumGeneric from Red Wedding, agree/disagree?

[Generic]

If you insist on trying to meta me desp, shitty jokes mafia in little Italy and duck duck goose mafia in Central Park I was also mafia.

Only completed town game I have is bad idea micro, but it's awful for gaining information from cos I forgot about it got two day phases, returned to shoot a town player immediately before forcing the lady scum to commit in game suicide...

Best bet for deciding if im town or scum is to see firstly whether the cases I have made make sense, and then are they loaded with misrepresentations/steering questions.

[Generic]

* Only completed town game I have is bad idea micro, but it's awful for gaining information from cos I forgot about it for two day phases, returned to shoot a town player immediately before forcing the last scum to commit in game suicide...

[Desperado]

I didn't play in those games and I'm not "insisting" on trying to meta you. My initial impression of your play here is town, and Nacho and Tammy both saw Genericscum in RW so their answer to that question will help inform my read on you.

Also, scum can make cases that make sense and aren't loaded with misreps.

[Shadoweh]

Scum are more likely to care about cases not loaded with 'misreps' imo, townies don't care as much. I honestly don't know what you're ranting about me wanting to answer. Your case is based on you being arrogant about your own play and how you must 'know' the person you taught. I can't think of a person besides Empire who's posted a case like that whose been right. I think you need to calm down and wait for someone actually scummy instead of an extremely easy target to post.

TheGarantula: You're obviously new. First time scum do not usually want reference material on them. Also, you would have been more likely to get a warning in the scum QT already saying not to talk about ongoing games. I guess it's possible you didn't talk to your partners at all but not likely.

[Generic]

No, my case against mara is based on her focusing entirely on her own meta and her own appearance. It's also based on her voting for me without a reason which she was reluctant to give and when she did it was based on things that were posted after the vote. So either she is psychic or making it up subsequently.
It's mara attempting to make this about previous knowledge, she keeps coming back to it. And the reason is she is trying to AtE and box in my accusations.

But all of this was explained at the time, you are either skimming or deliberately misrepresenting me. One is sloppy, the other is scummy, neither are particularly helpful.

[FakeGod]

PeaceBringer replaces 1baldeagle1.

[The Purple Shoe]

Prod dodge will get to this game tomorrow

[PeaceBringer]

FOS on complaining about people voting for no reason on day one. It is day one. No one has a real reason for voting.

[PeaceBringer]

vote generic

seems hinky/scummie/wonkie to me

[PeaceBringer]

If you insist on trying to meta me desp, shitty jokes mafia in little Italy and duck duck goose mafia in Central Park I was also mafia.

Only completed town game I have is bad idea micro, but it's awful for gaining information from cos I forgot about it got two day phases, returned to shoot a town player immediately before forcing the lady scum to commit in game suicide...

Best bet for deciding if im town or scum is to see firstly whether the cases I have made make sense, and then are they loaded with misrepresentations/steering questions.

this is a post that rang alarm bells in my head upon reading

[PeaceBringer]

Assumption. I've played over 60 games across three different sites.

13 man game, 2 would mean scum need a minimum of 5 mislynches to win, if it was 4 mafia then they only need 3.

And I've been mafia in 3 out of the 4 completed games on MS, I think I got a grasp on how you guys split these things.

also a bit scummy. # of games played is irrevlevant. FYI I have been playing this game in one for or another far longer and far more games. Whoopie do dah day. Start trumping your history over nothing to try and give self cred...

[PeaceBringer]

also super defensive over a post that is fishing... yup, comfortable wtih the generic vote.

[Ms Marangal]

Generic isn't town Desp and I havn't been wrong on a scum-gen Read in the 10+ games I have had with him.

No, My suspicion came right when I voted for you otherwise I wouldn't have done so, but you trying to paint that naked vote as scummy before I explained it made that suspicion stronger. as did you pre-planning every little attack you would have on a person

and yes, you are playing your cocky game. You also played that game in my open.

My argument isn't my Meta, it's what you should expect out of me based on what you know and what you've based your attacks on me so far and how they don't jive. also, instead of answering it, you just throw out more questions.

You're attacking me "Pocket scum-tells" that town very easily commit and aren't even scum-tells to begin with (Naked voting, OMGUS?, resistance to giving reads) without even looking at the mindset of a player.

You're playing the victim while doing your share of calling people "anti-town or scum" when they even dare to question you. You've shot down the validity of any case anyone may have had against you by doing this


Shadow, you think Garan is scum? why?

[Generic]

Assumption. I've played over 60 games across three different sites.

13 man game, 2 would mean scum need a minimum of 5 mislynches to win, if it was 4 mafia then they only need 3.

And I've been mafia in 3 out of the 4 completed games on MS, I think I got a grasp on how you guys split these things.

also a bit scummy. # of games played is irrevlevant. FYI I have been playing this game in one for or another far longer and far more games. Whoopie do dah day. Start trumping your history over nothing to try and give self cred...

Are you aware of what I was answering there?

It was relevant to the question asked, especially given the person who asked it was satisfied with the answer.

[Generic]

If you insist on trying to meta me desp, shitty jokes mafia in little Italy and duck duck goose mafia in Central Park I was also mafia.

Only completed town game I have is bad idea micro, but it's awful for gaining information from cos I forgot about it got two day phases, returned to shoot a town player immediately before forcing the lady scum to commit in game suicide...

Best bet for deciding if im town or scum is to see firstly whether the cases I have made make sense, and then are they loaded with misrepresentations/steering questions.

this is a post that rang alarm bells in my head upon reading

If you break down why we can discuss it, otherwise this is just a sweeping statement.

[Generic]

Generic isn't town Desp and I havn't been wrong on a scum-gen Read in the 10+ games I have had with him.

No, My suspicion came right when I voted for you otherwise I wouldn't have done so, but you trying to paint that naked vote as scummy before I explained it made that suspicion stronger. as did you pre-planning every little attack you would have on a person

and yes, you are playing your cocky game. You also played that game in my open.

My argument isn't my Meta, it's what you should expect out of me based on what you know and what you've based your attacks on me so far and how they don't jive. also, instead of answering it, you just throw out more questions.

You're attacking me "Pocket scum-tells" that town very easily commit and aren't even scum-tells to begin with (Naked voting, OMGUS?, resistance to giving reads) without even looking at the mindset of a player.

You're playing the victim while doing your share of calling people "anti-town or scum" when they even dare to question you. You've shot down the validity of any case anyone may have had against you by doing this


Shadow, you think Garan is scum? why?

Once again I return to shadoweh claiming I was making a case based on knowledge of mara... Again you will find its mara attempting this.
The push you are making mara is that you always spot me as scum. Beyond being bushit it's also playing to desps question about previous games but bases it offsite where people need to sign up to colo to clarify.

What were the games mara?

[TheGarantula]

Assumption. I've played over 60 games across three different sites.

13 man game, 2 would mean scum need a minimum of 5 mislynches to win, if it was 4 mafia then they only need 3.

And I've been mafia in 3 out of the 4 completed games on MS, I think I got a grasp on how you guys split these things.

also a bit scummy. # of games played is irrevlevant. FYI I have been playing this game in one for or another far longer and far more games. Whoopie do dah day. Start trumping your history over nothing to try and give self cred...

This is silly. He was answering why he thought there were 3 scum.

Shadow, you think Garan is scum? why?

He does? And what do you think of the last two votes on you?

[Ms Marangal]

It's what I inferred from his posts, based on how he's phrased his words

as for the two consecutive votes on me, Nacho is wrong, but town and he'll eventually come to his senses and, he will eventually see that I am making sense and that I am town

and your vote on me is misguided, but you are also probably town who's attacking the wrong person


and once again, Generic, you are avoiding stuff.

You do know who I am, you do know how I play right?

I am not claiming I

always

spot you as scum, but I am claiming that I've never read you as scum, when you are town. That doesn't mean I havn't read you as town when you were scum, because I have like, Nishi's game.

Ren's Newbie and Iso's kingmaker are the first two games where you were scum that come to mind. I'm fairly sure there were more

I can back these claims up if people are willing to sign-up for colo to take a look at them. I have no problem in linking the games and, Prior to me trying to use meta against you, you really didn't either.

Reading mara on ms will be different to how you will need to read her with me. I'm not ms residency yet having only completed 4 games here so mara and me are likely to take this down a colo path.

not to mention your RVS vote on me.

why is referencing Colo complete bull-shit now?

[Generic]

Generic isn't town Desp and I havn't been wrong on a scum-gen Read in the 10+ games I have had with him.

Getting bored of getting caught in the lies yet mara?

And you made me laugh listing RENs newbie. I was the jester role. Strange how you read me as scum in a game where my win con was to get lynched.

I speculated colo might come into our game. Who wouldn't given our old dynamic. But your case brought to me (eventually) is you telling people this is my scum game, you referencing offsite games and lying about them and the only occasion you mention a game relevant thing I apparently did you were wrong there too (claimed I jumped on shadoweh when he over reacted to me without me needing to name him).
I thought I would need to refer to mara from the purple days, haven't needed to given you are scum slipping under pressure.


It's bedtime for me now. Goodnight all.

[Ms Marangal]

I never claimed you jumped on Shadoweh without you needing to name him

I claimed I didn't like your attacks on him, and Empire

[Shadoweh]

Every time you say 'him' I cry a little inside.
I don't think TheGarantula is scum. Thinking about it what I said isn't that solid a town-tell, but I don't suspect them right now.
Generic, perhaps it's because I'm biased, but I'm ignoring your arguments because I'm pretty sure they're wrong, and I'm fairly sure you're approaching this from a not-scum perspective. The problem is you're treating anyone arguing against you as scum by proxy. I don't mean to be insulting to Mara, but I don't think Mara is capable of lying as well as you're assuming she is.

[PeaceBringer]

If you insist on trying to meta me desp, shitty jokes mafia in little Italy and duck duck goose mafia in Central Park I was also mafia.

Only completed town game I have is bad idea micro, but it's awful for gaining information from cos I forgot about it got two day phases, returned to shoot a town player immediately before forcing the lady scum to commit in game suicide...

Best bet for deciding if im town or scum is to see firstly whether the cases I have made make sense, and then are they loaded with misrepresentations/steering questions.

this is a post that rang alarm bells in my head upon reading

If you break down why we can discuss it, otherwise this is just a sweeping statement.

highly reactive, overly defensives, scummy town... so on...