Still waiting on confirmation from Daniel Bryan. If he does not post by the confirmation deadline, I'll find a replacement.
Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 9:55 am
by mykonian
Yes, usually we lynch you as scum, mollie. That's rather the point. I'm not sure what you think you are arguing here, but kindly go on
@Feirei. Okay... I'd love to test that but not in this game. Beyond the fact that you rarely all caps, rarely go "you always vote me", and rarely say people can't read you, you certainly wouldn't do that on page 3.
WISDOM, YOU BETTER NOT BE SCUM IN THIS GAME. I have a light scumread on Myko for wanting to lynch a hydra, but L-2 in 2 pages makes me think the other way.
it doesn't work like that really. Putting it out there like this gives three options. You start something new (and most people don't, that's why I do it), you are in favor, or you oppose. In general such a case is based on a minimum of posts, so compared to lategame cases it looks weak, hence it's easier to oppose then to step out and follow. Three votes early isn't that special
This is partly what I meant with telling feirei that I expected his move, regardless of allignment he was going to oppose this. The rest of his play make him 80-90% sure town in my eyes and please don't ask why because it's meta and what I expect from him. It's annoying, it's not terribly helpful, but he's town regardless and I hope saying all this doesn't make him too stubborn.
Wisdom and Gif are thinking early on, and I like that as well. I think they are town.
I cannot understand how mollie goes full blown omgus at the slightest push. The hydra thing, if you didn't get it, was my way to get passed the rvs. Push against something and see how it responds. Mollie absolutely blew up. If you didn't get it from what I typed so far: I play with myself more often and I have a history of getting the game going quickly. You are surprised by 4 pages now, I'm not so much. No one ever reacted like mollie, I can't remember anyone actually leading a push straight from it. She's arguing on the basis of skype games where I've voted her often, if you didn't get that which one could see as a human reaction of annoyance, but townies rarely lead wagons on such a basis. Hence, she's the scum so far.
So all in all, I'm sitting on 3 (with the possibility that wisdom is outsmarting me) townreads and one scumread. I think getting wagonned early is worth that info.
Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 10:10 am
by helium-3
In post 101, mykonian wrote:Yes, usually we lynch you as scum, mollie. That's rather the point. I'm not sure what you think you are arguing here, but kindly go on
@Feirei. Okay... I'd love to test that but not in this game. Beyond the fact that you rarely all caps, rarely go "you always vote me", and rarely say people can't read you, you certainly wouldn't do that on page 3.
your original vote was a pl 1 which you shifted to a scumread (rather awkwardly I might add) and you are claiming meta on me that "you lynch me all of the time" which you have now backpedaled into a "we lynch you as scum mollie" when confronted with I am not "lynched all of the time".
^^^ if people do not see what is wrong with this picture then I don't know what to say!
do you know what a screaming rvs scumtell looks like? when they try to get sticky with that read for superfluous reasons that under scrutiny do not add up.
WISDOM, YOU BETTER NOT BE SCUM IN THIS GAME. I have a light scumread on Myko for wanting to lynch a hydra, but L-2 in 2 pages makes me think the other way.
it doesn't work like that really. Putting it out there like this gives three options. You start something new (and most people don't, that's why I do it), you are in favor, or you oppose. In general such a case is based on a minimum of posts, so compared to lategame cases it looks weak, hence it's easier to oppose then to step out and follow. Three votes early isn't that special
This is partly what I meant with telling feirei that I expected his move, regardless of allignment he was going to oppose this. The rest of his play make him 80-90% sure town in my eyes and please don't ask why because it's meta and what I expect from him. It's annoying, it's not terribly helpful, but he's town regardless and I hope saying all this doesn't make him too stubborn.
Wisdom and Gif are thinking early on, and I like that as well. I think they are town.
I cannot understand how mollie goes full blown omgus at the slightest push.
The hydra thing, if you didn't get it, was my way to get passed the rvs
. Push against something and see how it responds. Mollie absolutely blew up. If you didn't get it from what I typed so far: I play with myself more often and I have a history of getting the game going quickly. You are surprised by 4 pages now, I'm not so much. No one ever reacted like mollie, I can't remember anyone actually leading a push straight from it. She's arguing on the basis of skype games where I've voted her often, if you didn't get that which one could see as a human reaction of annoyance, but townies rarely lead wagons on such a basis. Hence, she's the scum so far.
So all in all, I'm sitting on 3 (with the possibility that wisdom is outsmarting me) townreads and one scumread. I think getting wagonned early is worth that info.
pushing a pl cos you do not like hydras is not how you "get past rvs". pl cos you do not like hydras is the very definition of "random voting stage".
Scum likes to push for PLs since it gives them a free pass for that day. That's why I don't like you pushing for this wagon on heluim.
Helium is probably flustered town, I have reacted that way before. (In my Newbie game.)
Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 10:22 am
by mykonian
In post 103, helium-3 wrote:your original vote was a pl 1 which you shifted to a scumread (rather awkwardly I might add)
Correct, I shifted out of silly reasons (the hydra thing), to you overreacting. If that's awkward to you, that's fine with me. It still makes you scum.
In post 105, helium-3 wrote:pushing a pl cos you do not like hydras is not how you "get past rvs". pl cos you do not like hydras is the very definition of "random voting stage".
Pretty sure I did just do that. We had 3? random votes in total. After that it was all response and discussion. And they didn't respond to saki's vote on wisdom, I was the only one to do that.
Want to argue more silly non-allignment concerning stuff with me or will you start scumhunting by now?
explain what this means. i think you're town because of your reaction to myko.
Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 10:26 am
by mykonian
In post 108, 1baldeagle1 wrote:Scum likes to push for PLs since it gives them a free pass for that day. That's why I don't like you pushing for this wagon on heluim.
Helium is probably flustered town, I have reacted that way before. (In my Newbie game.)
Answer is in the previous post. I'm voting her for her reaction to calling for a policy lynch right at the start of the game. The only policy here is that I'm lynching someone who's reactions seem fake to me. And of the 4 people I think I can read at this point, she's the one that looks scum, not the rest.
Also, flustered goes in a completely different way. She's aggressive at the same time. Those two do not mix. It's "fight or flight", not "fight and flight".
Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 10:41 am
by helium-3
In post 109, mykonian wrote:Correct, I shifted out of silly reasons (the hydra thing), to you overreacting. If that's awkward to you, that's fine with me. It still makes you scum.
it was awkward with the way you did it. it seems to me that you were trying to elicit a reaction only to paint it as scummy, not to discern alignment. <------ scum motivation right there.
Pretty sure I did just do that. We had 3? random votes in total. After that it was all response and discussion. And they didn't respond to saki's vote on wisdom, I was the only one to do that.
Want to argue more silly non-allignment concerning stuff with me or will you start scumhunting by now?
well if I am scum then I already know who the scum are right? so if I am scum I would not engage in silly "non-alignment" arguments yeah but instead push really crappy cases like what you are doing, yeah?
and how is it
Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 10:43 am
by Daniel Bryan
/confirm
YES! YES! YES!
Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 10:48 am
by 1baldeagle1
Welcome, care to contribute?
Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 10:49 am
by Daniel Bryan
I think the helium-3 vs mykonian action is town v town..
Well, if one was scum, they wouldnt try to get the other lynched in such a way that gains a shitload of attention, right? Thats how I feel.
I dont particularly feel that saying lynch all hydras is something that is scummy, but the response by helium to it by using it as a case against myko is something I dont think scum would do, because its not a good case.
So I think this is the right way to go
VOTE: Sakura Hana
Idk, theres something iffy with her stances this game, she hasnt even commented on the mykonian/helium-3 thing.
explain what this means. i think you're town because of your reaction to myko.
cos you are freaking me out
anyways
I have played this set-up before and we did pretty well when we set up who everyone was going to target. I think N and om came up with going down a list and targeting the person above them that way the next day town knew by poe what kind of doctors some people were. it cleared some players so it might be worth a shot. it also gave scum less room to hide.
Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 10:51 am
by Sakura Hana
Did you read the thread?
In post 87, Sakura Hana wrote:I'm not liking myko's sudden attitude but I don't think it's inherently scummy.
Its a useless statement that isnt value adding to begin with, and it gives the impression of actually doing something. A quick ISO of his posts indicate that he himself hasnt contributed as well.
Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 10:52 am
by Daniel Bryan
Yes I did. And yet Sakura, I felt like you posted just for the sake of looking active
Its a useless statement that isnt value adding to begin with, and it gives the impression of actually doing something. A quick ISO of his posts indicate that he himself hasnt contributed as well.
if I am scum