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Also, if RMarie flips scum then I am more inclined to believe that arcangel is scum.

In post 76, RachMarie wrote:Arc why are you more suspicious of Singer? And of Guyett? Why would it not be odd that you did not cast an RVS? Why do you consider it scummy pushing a mislynch instead of town paranoia on the part of one or both of them?

This reads so very very much like someone who is scum trying to direct their scumbuddy away from running down a really bad argument path.

I haven't seen a more blatant "hey pal are you sure you want to go down that path? I mean... do you really wannna do it? You sure? Cuz you know things probably ain't gonna work out, just look at those gigantic sentry guns. You'll get eaten alive" style post in a while.

If you want the more technical jargon, this is commonly called coaching. Wherein a mafioso "coaches" their buddy toward or away from certain things.

Oh and guyett wanted meta of me as scum.

Here - I would just like to say, singer, that I am salty about this game. I didn't get nominated for a scummy I got boned by scorched earth win conditions. This was my one shot for the gold. My one shot!
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Last posts are making me feel much better about Ray

I also really like the Rach wagon.
Don't like the soft self meta clear at all.

VOTE: Rach

OK, I'll admit Ray's back to his usual self and has some good points about Rach. I'd still say that up 'til my last post there was a significant difference between this game and the ones I've seen him as town, but I'm more willing now to put that down to everyone's inactivity and apathy given the thoroughness of his posting since.



*yay activity, something for me to reply to*

I'm not set enough on the Rach argument to put her at L - 1 (if I'm counting right) though. Does anyone have any examples off the top of their head of an old game where one scum coached another? I'm not sure I'd see the difference between that and just asking people about the logic behind their votes.

And speaking of empty posts, IV's only post with even the slightest bit of substance is #61, at the end of which he promises the still-non-existent 'Moar later'. I'm probably not the best judge of this kind of thing but it seems to me even #61 was fairly useless. Though IV at least hasn't complained about how much everyone else is posting.

scum rach often coaches her buddies.
I'll see if I can find games

I think this game contains coaching scum Rach
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=30346

bleh

I am at what now? L-1?

That last post was more the Ray I know

Since I seem to have not made it clear enough

I am not sure who my town reads are or my scum reads because I do not have enough data to peg ya all yet.

Ray one thing though.... She IS being volatile here. She still gives reasons when she is town and makes cases, but she gives attitude while she does it. When she is scum, she tends not to show the attitude as much, and tries to blend in more with the crowd. Maybe that is a better way of saying it.

I would be happy to provide links to games for Arc or for myself.

I have not played with singer in a game before I need to do some meta research on her. I did replace her in the all girls game that Red Coyote did. She was town in that one cause I was.

Guyette is one to watch do not let his join date fool you, I have seen him pull off scum quite well before. I can find the link iffen you want it.

I had a purpose to all those questions... I am trying to get at the motivations behind what the players are posting. And trying to drive up activity which has seriously stalled in this game. Amazingly the people most protesting are not the ones who I asked the questions of (save for Singer).

Ray what you gonna do when I flip town eh? Who will you look at then? Also my alignment and Arcs are not joined at the hip, she could actually be scum, but based on my experience with her in games I think she is likely to be town. It is not set in stone though since like with everyone else here there is not much to work on.

Meanwhile of those on my wagon the one I am thinking is most likely to be scum is actually not Ray, but Guyett.

Look how he gets on the wagon...


VOTE: Guyett

Wow yeah ray's posts were town motivated in it.

I should have more tomorrow.

The deadline is slowly lurking; we need to figure how who's the best lynch and why.

I like Rach's 106 tbh

First of all she thinks she's at L-1, probably something scum would be very concerned about so she didnt even count the votes correctly

But her L-1 attitude seems like a good attempt to try and figure out scum/meta and stuff without being too defensive

Not feeling Rach this game, giving me similar vibes as she did in 1376

Then again I've never played with scumRach before..

Rach I suck as scum... havn't won a game as mafia and only won as werewolf as part of a large team

Guyett, what were you hoping to get out of that post about how you're bad at a specific alignment

Regals, what are you even talking about?

Villager, scum and town both don't necessarily count votes properly / bother to count at all. The stuff about needing to meta people to read them reads poorly to me. Mafia is not just a game of "research people and then try to make connections from all this previous behavior to judge this game as objectively as possible." It's a subjective game.

This whole using meta to distance yourself from the reasoning for finding someone scummy thing really is a peeve of mine.

Her response to me reads very disingenuous. She then only chooses to look for people to vote rather than looking at the entire game. A very self-oriented perspective that runs down the vein of attack the drivers of the cart to make it lose momentum. Her reasoning? Non-existent, only thing about guyett is how guyett is able to play well as scum basically. Woopdedoo. So am I. So is singer. So is everyone else in this game, probably.

The stuff about her alignment not being joined at the hip with arc is completely valueless. .

RMarie, your attempt to tell me that you aren't "joined at the hip" with arc is not only insulting to my understanding of the game but also irritating in the sense that I specifically stated that I could see your post as coaching and that, in the event you flip scum, I would be more inclined to vote arcangel due to connective reasoning and you somehow blew this up to me going "RMarie scum = arc scum, RMarie town = arc town" which is absolutely not what I was saying.

So yes. I do find the reply to be rather underwhelming, as she has not actually given us anything to work with. Vague comments and offers of meta and a vote with no reasoning and a "but what if!" do not make for anything that is of much interest to me.

To answer the question on what happens in the event of a RMarie-town flip: I will reassess my reads during the night phase and come up with a new set of ideas and a case in the next game day.

Cats, can you give us a solid statement on who you actually find to be scummy / townie and why

Same for Regals. You say we should get together, but you haven't yet. I expect content from you.

I will expect from you both. If you do not provide, I will rain down all of my snow-born, lightly sun-baked, top-hatted, slushy fury upon the both of you. In equal measure.

@Ray this is what I was trying to say

In post 106, RachMarie wrote:
Guyett

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is one to watch do not let his join date fool you,

I have seen him pull off scum quite well before

. I can find the link iffen you want it.

In post 110, Guyett wrote:Rach I suck as scum... havn't won a game as mafia and only won as werewolf as part of a large team

please link good scum play by me Rach

Okay, while you're here I would like your opinions about everyone you have an opinion about.

This means everyone in the game, in case you weren't aware.

In post 111, RayFrost wrote:Guyett, what were you hoping to get out of that post about how you're bad at a specific alignment

Regals, what are you even talking about?

Villager, scum and town both don't necessarily count votes properly / bother to count at all. The stuff about needing to meta people to read them reads poorly to me. Mafia is not just a game of "research people and then try to make connections from all this previous behavior to judge this game as objectively as possible." It's a subjective game.

This whole using meta to distance yourself from the reasoning for finding someone scummy thing really is a peeve of mine.

Meta is a tool but it is not the main tool you should use. If you are using it as your main scumhunting method, you are using a crutch.

Her response to me reads very disingenuous. She then only chooses to look

at her wagon

for people to vote rather than looking at the entire game. A very self-oriented perspective that runs down the vein of attack the drivers of the cart to make it lose momentum. Her reasoning? Non-existent, only thing about guyett is how guyett is able to play well as scum basically. Woopdedoo. So am I. So is singer. So is everyone else in this game, probably.

The stuff about her alignment not being joined at the hip with arc is completely valueless.

Of course not

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RMarie, your attempt to tell me that you aren't "joined at the hip" with arc is not only insulting to my understanding of the game but also irritating in the sense that I specifically stated that I could see your post as coaching and that, in the event you flip scum, I would be more inclined to vote arcangel due to connective reasoning and you somehow blew this up to me going "RMarie scum = arc scum, RMarie town = arc town" which is absolutely not what I was saying.

So yes. I do find the reply to be rather underwhelming, as she

still

has not actually given us anything to work with. Vague comments and offers of meta and a vote with no reasoning and a "but what if!" do not make for anything that is of much interest to me.

To answer the question on what happens in the event of a RMarie-town flip: I will reassess my reads during the night phase and come up with a new set of ideas and a case in the next game day.

I never said I thought meta is the best method for scumhunting, but I do see what you're saying. I guess I'm trying to get at the fact that people don't naturally use meta analysis as scum especially at L-1, since scum already knows everyone's role and it's harder to metaframe.

Idk, maybe that's just me.

In post 114, RayFrost wrote:Okay, while you're here I would like your opinions about everyone you have an opinion about.

This means everyone in the game, in case you weren't aware.

I'm in work but I'm finished in ~30 mins.
will get to work on them then

take out the your fifthly votes from Rach wagon, She is so town. That's her town meta!!!!

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=30346 Bonus is it includes Scum Rach.

He made it almost to the end on this one was the last one lynched, and almost won us the game.

Arc ignores everything in the thread to say RMarie is following her town meta, even being so "impassioned" as to call our votes... fifthly?

.................................

They're both scum. They're scumbuddies. Kill them. They must die.

I mean really.

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Villager, you are assuming the meta analysis we are being given is genuine analysis and not just words.

I'm leaning toward them being words.

Lots of words with no real meaning.

Ray is town. This was exactly how he responded in N 1206. He was so SURE I and Meta were scum buddies together. (he was wrong about me and right about Meta). I did not realize that Meta's super white knighting meant he was scum. Also I was not familiar til later with "Follow the Cop" which meant I should have just kept doc protecting Uberninja. We would have won the game and far earlier so would have avoided the big crash.



So in my town pile I have Arc and Ray.


Scum pile Guyett.

Working on the rest of you.

I am telling you that feistyness is town Arc hang on will find a couple links of it. Plus she and I were a scum team in a game not too long ago. I was lynched right away pretty much mainly because of Grey Ice and his 110% sure I was scum because (added personal attacks against me AND NS who was not even in the game?)

She kept her cool and went on to win the game for us.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=28756 Harry Potter and the Philospher's Stone

Here she gets feisty and even fake claims a SuperSaint?


http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=27171 Mini 1444 the scum game we were together in.


Just giving the ISO here because this game was so incredibly spammy posting... (Mainly before Sven replaced out that is).

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go Micro 158 Bork's game.

Again Arc loses her cool and fake claims. She tells players (including Jiffy) to shut up.

In the scum game, the only time she really lost her cool was when this one dude replaced in who had an axe to grind with her. She then turned it around and got him lynched instead. The setup on that one was weird. We only had 2 scum no SK, and all 11 other players were Town. They had only one PR but it was a doozy it was Commuter in the hands of Slaandar.