Terri Schiavo Mafia 338 - Game over, Terri Dead


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Post Post #100 (ISO) » Sat Aug 12, 2006 4:51 pm

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My very first Fritzler vote ever, I feel special.
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Post Post #101 (ISO) » Sun Aug 13, 2006 5:01 pm

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what - are we going to need a seven-way prod on this game now?

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Post Post #102 (ISO) » Sun Aug 13, 2006 5:28 pm

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Armlx has outed himself, and I'd like to hear his opinion on what went down yesterday, or something.

I encourage anyone who wants to hear something to talk and don't be afraid of Fritzler voting you. He's friendly. I think.
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Post Post #103 (ISO) » Sun Aug 13, 2006 7:09 pm

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Indeed, I think we need to hear from armlx today about yesterday's lynch and result from last night, if it was a guilty.
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Post Post #104 (ISO) » Mon Aug 14, 2006 1:22 am

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I have a not guilty on Fritz. The only issue is whether I am sane or insane.
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Post Post #105 (ISO) » Mon Aug 14, 2006 5:48 am

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Ok, I reread this game. I think I get it.

I think armlx and TDA are both probably town. But I think armlx has lied about his role somehow, as I don't see getting guilty/not guilty results from medical records. I believe TDA should consider giving us some info about armlx' actual role. Just what he thinks might help us.

It seems to me that both deaths last night were modkills. I would guess that scum went after armlx or TDA but failed for some reason.

The night scene flavor suggests that mangaguy targeted/visited Masterchief last night. I think this is a red herring. mangaguy hasn't posted in a month and a half, and why would he target someone who had never posted? And why would anyone (even a vig) try to nightkill a player who had never posted?

I would vote Fritzler from armlx' investigation. Barring that, I would vote bethelmark. I think he is some kind of scum from this post:
bethelmark wrote:If he claimed to simply be vanilla town, then I have no problem with it. Also, Baird ruled against the Schiavo parents in his cases, so if the town is those keeping Terri alive, then nonny could be scum.

Vote: nonny
Translation: "I mistakenly think I am pro-town, which should make Baird scum. In any case, I can't go wrong lynching a claimed vanilla."

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Post Post #106 (ISO) » Mon Aug 14, 2006 2:08 pm

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Kelly Chen wrote:
bethelmark wrote:If he claimed to simply be vanilla town, then I have no problem with it. Also, Baird ruled against the Schiavo parents in his cases, so if the town is those keeping Terri alive, then nonny could be scum.

Vote: nonny
Translation: "I mistakenly think I am pro-town, which should make Baird scum. In any case, I can't go wrong lynching a claimed vanilla."

vote: bethelmark
I voted nonny because her claimed role went against my win condition, which is that of the town's.
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Post Post #107 (ISO) » Mon Aug 14, 2006 2:49 pm

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armlx wrote:I have a not guilty on Fritz. The only issue is whether I am sane or insane.
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Post Post #108 (ISO) » Mon Aug 14, 2006 2:59 pm

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Well at least we know armlx isn't paranoid or naive. That just leaves sane, insane and lying scum. Nonetheless, I think this avenue on bethelmark is worth pursuing.
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Post Post #109 (ISO) » Mon Aug 14, 2006 3:30 pm

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Does anyone really think nonny was scum? Because if she was, it looks to me that we have three dead scum and no dead town!
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Post Post #110 (ISO) » Mon Aug 14, 2006 3:35 pm

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Kelly Chen wrote: The night scene flavor suggests that mangaguy targeted/visited Masterchief last night. I think this is a red herring. mangaguy hasn't posted in a month and a half, and why would he target someone who had never posted? And why would anyone (even a vig) try to nightkill a player who had never posted
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Post Post #111 (ISO) » Mon Aug 14, 2006 3:37 pm

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I don't think she was. She made it very easy for us to not believe her though.

armlx said "nonny is scum" and now says "I have a not guilty on Fritzler" - those are different terms. Furthermore, armlx said he got a N0 investigation despite it being clear that we started with day. The person that pointed out the lack of an official N0 is Fritzler. This decision to investigate Fritzler is A) good if armlx is acting in the interests of the town but B) very easy to fake if armlx really isn't a cop

I'm more likely to believe that armlx is insane or just plain lying - and right now I'd be more inclined to believe Fritzler than armlx based on actions during D1.
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Post Post #112 (ISO) » Mon Aug 14, 2006 5:28 pm

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Kelly Chen wrote:I believe TDA should consider giving us some info about armlx' actual role. Just what he thinks might help us.
I don't know that much about armlx. I know he's pro-town, and some flavor in my PM made me think he was lying about his role name in his initial post. However, my role, which I guess is like an automatic bodyguard, makes sense for armlx being a power role.

As for nonny, her play wasn't good, IMO. She didn't initially claim fully because she said armlx didn't, when in fact he had. She didn't do much to convince us that she was pro-town. Although, if she was in fact a pro-town player, Fritzler is scum.
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Post Post #113 (ISO) » Mon Aug 14, 2006 7:05 pm

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Post Post #114 (ISO) » Tue Aug 15, 2006 5:50 am

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pablito wrote:armlx said "nonny is scum" and now says "I have a not guilty on Fritzler" - those are different terms.
So, according to you, saying "Thats cool" is different from "I think thats really neat"? IF you want to pick appart my posts on nothing, feel free, but bad arguements are bad arguements.
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Post Post #115 (ISO) » Tue Aug 15, 2006 6:00 am

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So, according to you, saying "Thats cool" is different from "I think thats really neat"?
Yes, easily. That's cool only implies your opinion. I could say "That's cool" and say it only because someone else defined it as cool even though I really don't think it is. However, saying "I think thats really neat" explicitly associates the speaker's opinion to the speaker. I don't think that was a good analogy on your part.

What I was getting at was, you never told us if you had a not guilty or a guilty on nonny and I hope you tell us now. Although you're probably going to tell us "guilty" no matter what now. Fact is, you never bothered to tell us what you got on D1. You assumed that whatever result you got on D1 implied that nonny is scum. You took the step of connecting your night result to "nonny is scum" without consulting us to find out if you were truly insane, sane or paranoid.

So now, armlx, why did you choose to investigate Fritzler?
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Post Post #116 (ISO) » Tue Aug 15, 2006 9:32 am

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Fritz was the logical choice as he is impossible to get a read on in game.
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Post Post #117 (ISO) » Tue Aug 15, 2006 9:33 am

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That's all you have to say, armlx??

How likely does it seem to you that you're sane?
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Post Post #118 (ISO) » Tue Aug 15, 2006 9:56 am

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KC: I dunno. I'm not sure if the Judge was scum...

Pablito: whenever a cop says "Investigated X. They are is scum" I assume they have a guilty unless they state otherwise. I have no clue why this is an issue....
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Post Post #119 (ISO) » Tue Aug 15, 2006 12:59 pm

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Are you saying it isn't clear from your win condition whether you're on the same side as nonny?
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Post Post #120 (ISO) » Wed Aug 16, 2006 5:21 am

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I'm trying to get at the sane/insane issue. You made the leap of saying "nonny is scum" in your first post without wondering your sanity. Whenever I'm cop and I get a result on the first day, I always wonder about my sanity. I thought you messed up as pro-town by revealing that early. If you got "nonny is guilty" you said "nonny is scum". I don't think she was. Therefore you added your own assumption. That's why I'm being so particular on that wording.
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Post Post #121 (ISO) » Wed Aug 16, 2006 6:49 pm

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As for the wording, I think when armlx said "nonny is scum" he implied a guilty result on her. Yes, that assumed sanity. I don't think there's anything to misunderstand here. Why is it so surprising that armlx assumed his sanity? Yes, maybe there were better options than coming out so early, but when he said "nonny is scum" I immediately read it as "cop with a guilty."
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Post Post #122 (ISO) » Thu Aug 17, 2006 5:38 am

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Post Post #123 (ISO) » Thu Aug 17, 2006 3:42 pm

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There are a lot of players who could usefully be sharing their opinions right now...
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Post Post #124 (ISO) » Thu Aug 17, 2006 11:26 pm

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I don't know about everyone else, but I was under the impression that we'd get role information upon death. If this is true, then armlx coming out day one if he really is scum doesn't make much sense. However, this game makes it a little more difficult, obviously.

As for the guilty, I think I would assume a guilty result would mean scum. I would assume a "sane" sanity. Most cops are sane. I'm not sure a mistake was made.

As for bethelmark, or anything else for that matter, I'm getting so tired, I can barely read the letters, so I'll have to catch up later. Sorry.
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