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Post Post #100 (ISO) » Sun Aug 13, 2006 7:55 pm

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thedocsalive wrote:
chaotic_diablo wrote:
Bogre wrote:Well it was kind of early to rush a bandwagon Sarcastro, but its not like I've ever seen that stuff before. You get a bitsy FOS.
This doesn't make sense to me. You disagree with what he did, but can understand why he did it, so you're suspicious of him?
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Yeah dude, there is a lot of stuff that I don't personally like that people on this site like to do a lot, and that is generally accepted. Town-leading, and hardcore bandwagonning and all sorts of stuff.

There's a lot of things that look suspicious, but you can accept because you can't tell either way. It looked like it could be a scum move, and it looked like it could be a move to put on pressure...either way, there hasn't been enough discussion to tell. I'm really hesistant to vote, but I don't post for two days and I'm jumped on for lurking.

And still, like I've been saying all along, no one's reading strong enough for me. However, Y is climbing on those lists. CTD may be jumping all over the place, but he's not quite vote-hopping, as he does have reasons for flying his bold text around.
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Post Post #101 (ISO) » Mon Aug 14, 2006 2:33 am

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Voting a lot is not necessarily scummy, especially when you're not even bandwagonning
,
but
are
in fact putting the first vote on someone.
Sarcastro, I'm not trying to make an enemy out of you, unless you're scum, but since I'm such a perfectionist, I've corrected the said sentence that confused me, in bold. In truth, there's only two cases of wrongness, but those could be vital to sentence structure.

And, thank you for answering the second point.

And just for reference, here's how I interpreted your sentence, originally.

" Voting alot isn't necessarily scummy ( especially when you aren't even bandwagonning ) but putting the first vote on someone, is. "

Now I know my assumption was wrong, of course. *shrugs* Just please let me say that I don't want this to turn into a big conflict between us.
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Post Post #102 (ISO) » Mon Aug 14, 2006 5:07 am

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Sorry, meta-game issue for a moment. Can anyone tell me a good place to find avatars and how I get it next to my messages?
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Post Post #103 (ISO) » Mon Aug 14, 2006 5:29 am

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Sarcastro wrote:Sorry, I just don't see it. Maybe one of us is misunderstanding the other. I believe that what I did was not scummy. All I did was vote for someone I thought was scummy. The only reason people are suspicious (as far as I can tell) is that they think I was trying to rush a bandwagon, which I was not. So I don't see how my defense of CTD justifies the bandwagon on me.
To put it simply, you find CTD's actions justifiable. At the same time, you criticize Y for doing the same thing. Since both Y's and CTD's reasoning are the same, you support your own bandwagon when you support CTD since that ultimately means your support Y.

I don't know but there seems to be alot of 'misunderstanding' occurs when it comes to interacting with you.
Lowell wrote:Sorry, meta-game issue for a moment. Can anyone tell me a good place to find avatars and how I get it next to my messages?
I don't know where you can get a good avatar. I usually just make them myself. To get the avatar next to your messages, you click on "profile." At the very bottom is a choice that lets you upload your avatar.
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Post Post #104 (ISO) » Mon Aug 14, 2006 6:46 am

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Thanks CD. I'll take my chances with this pic.

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Post Post #105 (ISO) » Mon Aug 14, 2006 10:42 am

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Lowell wrote:Thanks CD. I'll take my chances with this pic.

Take my CHANCES! Get it?
Another (lame) pun from you will give us a reason to lynch/sue you with extreme discrimination and prejudice. :x
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Post Post #106 (ISO) » Mon Aug 14, 2006 2:07 pm

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Atticus wrote:
Voting a lot is not necessarily scummy, especially when you're not even bandwagonning
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but
are
in fact putting the first vote on someone.
Sarcastro, I'm not trying to make an enemy out of you unless you're scum, but since I'm such a perfectionist, I've corrected the said sentence that confused me, in bold. In truth, there's only two cases of wrongness, but those could be vital to sentence structure.
Sorry Atticus, but neither the comma nor the extra "are" is necessary. The comma is merely stylistic, and the sentence has the same meaning in either case. The "are" is also unnecessary, because I already used an "are" in the sentence (though it was hidden in the contraction "you're) and it applies to that clause as well. So no, the changes don't actually alter the meaning of the sentence.

Oh, and you have a lot of guts "correcting" my perfectly correct sentence and then posting grammatically incorrect sentences of your own. "There's only two cases"? :lol:
chaotic_diablo wrote: To put it simply, you find CTD's actions justifiable. At the same time, you criticize Y for doing the same thing. Since both Y's and CTD's reasoning are the same, you support your own bandwagon when you support CTD since that ultimately means your support Y.
See, that's false, because you're assuming so much. I never criticised Y for vote-hopping, I've only criticised his reason for voting CTD. Second, I do not agree that Y and CTD have the same reasoning. Third, even if I did support Y in one thing, I don't see why that means I agree with everything he says.
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Post Post #107 (ISO) » Mon Aug 14, 2006 3:54 pm

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I swore I went over that post at least 5 times. And you're right, they are rather unnecessary, but if looked at from a certain view, a bit of the sentence meaning can go either way and make it an esily defendable sentence. But whatever! I am apparently trumped in the grammar battle! Which is rare, honestly. So I'll shut up, sit down, and uh... look over my post.
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Post Post #108 (ISO) » Mon Aug 14, 2006 5:42 pm

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Bogre, I also dislike players who use quote tags incorrectly. :wink:

Seriously though, I was just pointing out what I saw from your behavior earlier in the day. I've seen that style, or something similar, used by scum in the past, so it caught my attention. I understand what you're saying about it being difficult to get reads this early in the game, as I feel that myself sometimes.

Unvote: Bogre
, and I'll re-read within the next day or two to see if there's anything I'll see differently.
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Post Post #109 (ISO) » Tue Aug 15, 2006 2:44 am

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chaotic_diablo wrote:
Lowell wrote:Thanks CD. I'll take my chances with this pic.

Take my CHANCES! Get it?
Another (lame) pun from you will give us a reason to lynch/sue you with extreme discrimination and prejudice. :x
Wow, tough crowd. But seriously, folks, take my life... please!

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UNVOTE, Vote MAVERICK
because he STILL hasn't posted, and that annoys me. At least some of us are out here taking our shot, bitterly cold though it may be.

Yes, in case you're wondering, the strategy is: Maverick reads my vote, becomes enraged, attacks me on the thread, and in so doing unwittingly reveals himself to be a mafioso. You see? Brilliant.
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Post Post #110 (ISO) » Tue Aug 15, 2006 2:58 am

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Can't we all just request that Maverick be replaced? And in so doing, get him replaced? And with that, get some fresh ears in her'?
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Post Post #111 (ISO) » Tue Aug 15, 2006 2:58 am

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Upon further review, it seems I was already voting for Maverick (it's too hot today). I get all these games confused. *shuffles back into corner*
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Post Post #112 (ISO) » Tue Aug 15, 2006 9:55 am

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I'm currently doped up on pain meds from getting my wisdom teeth out. While a more fun way to read the game, I am currently unable to make heads or tails out of anything. So, perhaps a post tomorrow? I'm simply stating the fact that I'm around.
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Post Post #113 (ISO) » Tue Aug 15, 2006 3:50 pm

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@Sarcastro, I probably read something wrong. Could you explain post 80? I interpreted it as you claiming Y voted you while CTD was using the same reasoning as Y to vote Bogre. I have a nagging feeling that isn't the case.

For some reason, both CTD and Y have gone quiet. Bogre has posted yet CTD hasn't said anything. In addition, Y hasn't replied to CTD's reasons for placing his votes.

@CTD, could you explain your vote on Y? I know it might have something to do with misinterpretation and etc, but Sarcastro has had his posts misinterpreted plenty of times yet he hasn't retaliated in a similiar fashion.
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Post Post #114 (ISO) » Tue Aug 15, 2006 4:04 pm

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chaotic_diablo wrote:@Sarcastro, I probably read something wrong. Could you explain post 80? I interpreted it as you claiming Y voted you while CTD was using the same reasoning as Y to vote Bogre. I have a nagging feeling that isn't the case.
Oh, alright, I think I see where the confusion is.
Sarcastro wrote:I don't buy it, Y. I think CTD's actions are perfectly justifiable. Are you really worried that his telling people to vote for Bogre is going to lead to some kind of out-of-control bandwagon? What exactly is the problem? You jumped on me for the same reason, and I really think you're overreacting to everything. Why is voting scummy all of a sudden?
In retrospect, I realise my language here wasn't very clear. I'll try to rephrase my post:

I think CTD's voting habits are justifiable. Y appears to be overreacting and imagining that CTD's posts will cause more damage than they actually will (e.g. by starting unjustified bandwagons). When Y attacked my vote on Lowell, he appeared to be doing so for the same reason he is currently attacking CTD's votes: he thinks that the votes are more dangerous than they actually are. I think that Y overreacted with both his vote on me and his vote on CTD.

That's basically what I was trying to say, and I can see where you might have gotten confused by my original post. My point is that I personally see nothing wrong with CTD's voting habits. He's simply using his vote as a tool for pointing out those he finds suspicious, the same way I did with Lowell. Y seems to think that CTD would be ready to lynch any of the people he voted for, which I am sure is not the case.
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Post Post #115 (ISO) » Tue Aug 15, 2006 4:36 pm

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I'm sorry for not posting much, but I have lots of work lately.

I don't think you or CTD are making dangerous votes as you say it, I think the behavior itself is scummy.

I'm off to work, I'll try to post a better one later today.
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Post Post #116 (ISO) » Tue Aug 15, 2006 4:55 pm

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But can you explain
why
it's scummy behaviour?
Y wrote:So, lets see what we have:
You voted 5 of the 12 players so far, 11 if we take you out. Almost a half.
You used 5 of your 12 posts to vote people. Almost a half.
All your first four posts were votes.
Less than half of those votes had any logic into them.
Two of the votes were OMGUS, one clearly stated and one is your vote against me.

Yep, I'm pretty sure you're just jumping from one player into another with no apparent reason.
From the look of this post, it seems like you're just scared of votes or something. I see no reason to suspect CTD based on his voting record. None of the individual votes set off any alarms, so why should all of them together? If you honestly think what CTD is doing is scummy, fine, but you're going to have to explain it to me.
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Post Post #117 (ISO) » Wed Aug 16, 2006 4:05 am

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None of the individual votes set off any alarms, so why should all of them together?
None of the individual cells of your body set off any alarms, so why should cancer?

So many votes on so many people in so little posts gives the filling of some one who wants a lynch to be done as fast as possible.

I don't feel like every one of his votes will become a lynch, but rather that he will be pleased with almost every lynch we make.
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Post Post #118 (ISO) » Wed Aug 16, 2006 6:47 am

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That analogy doesn't really make sense. Individual cancer cells
do
set off alarms.

If that's your interpretation of CTD's actions, fine, but personally I can not understand your thinking at all. He's voted for several different people, so he'd want any of them to be lynched? I don't know CTD's intentions, but I would certainly hesitate to assume that he'd be happy lynching anyone. As far as I can tell, all he's doing is trying to find scum. I don't think it's a good idea to assume that activity is a scumtell.
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Post Post #119 (ISO) » Wed Aug 16, 2006 2:40 pm

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In his defence, he didn't say cancer cells, he said body cells. Not that it...
makes any more sense that way.


I do think both Y and CTD's behaviors are questionable but neither necessarily scummy. I think they may both be just a bit overeager.
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Post Post #120 (ISO) » Wed Aug 16, 2006 3:05 pm

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Here's a better and commonly used analogy. When you solve a jigsaw puzzle, each individual piece is worthless. However, when you put them all together, you get the bigger picture. So even if each individual action isn't scummy, they can add up to something that does.

After a bit of thinking, I have to agree with Atticus. Both Y and CTD are overeager.

unvote
since I don't really find Sarcastro as scummy as before.
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Post Post #121 (ISO) » Wed Aug 16, 2006 3:19 pm

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I disagree. I may be overeager, but Y is definitely scummy. I've had good reasons for each and every one of my votes (even though they may have been based on small things in some cases), but Y is trying to incriminate me for doing absolutely nothing wrong. He was so sure that he could frame me that he didn't even try to make a case against me at first. And now that he realises his mistake, he's using crap anologies in an attempt to justify his scummy vote.
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Post Post #122 (ISO) » Wed Aug 16, 2006 4:30 pm

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I actually wanted to use the analogy c_d used, but I didn't find the way to translate it right (Sorry, I'm thinking in Hebrew), so I went with the first thing that came into mind.

@ CTD: I don't know about you, but I can't find good reasons for all of your votes. Actually, the only one with a reasoning behind it is your vote on me.

Anyway, we're not making any progress here...
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Post Post #123 (ISO) » Wed Aug 16, 2006 4:47 pm

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Backpedalling much? Earlier you claimed my vote on you was purely OMGUS and now it's suddenly the only one with reasoning?

I think we're making great progress. You're looking scummier and scummier with every new post.
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Post Post #124 (ISO) » Wed Aug 16, 2006 6:36 pm

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CrashTextDummie wrote:Backpedalling much? Earlier you claimed my vote on you was purely OMGUS and now it's suddenly the only one with reasoning?
I think this is a good point.
Y wrote:Two of the votes were OMGUS, one clearly stated and one is your vote against me.
Y wrote:@ CTD: I don't know about you, but I can't find good reasons for all of your votes. Actually, the only one with a reasoning behind it is your vote on me.
Vote: Y
. I also think that Y's arguments aren't as strong as CTD's. CTD's non-random votes WERE justified, and seem geniunely in the interest of putting pressure on other players and getting the game moving.
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