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In post 92, Luca Blight wrote:NS, as you are someone who is prepared to make quick judgement calls on players, who would you say is of town/scum lean at this early stage? Do you still think Not_Mafia is definitely Town?

As for Burn, his defence of himself is weak to say the least, and his voting of Not_Mafia as GM pointed out was also a bit suspect. GM is generally coming across as Town at the moment with much logical, pro-town posting, same with NS. Obviously these are the two more experienced players but they are my two biggest town reads at the moment.

Interesting that you say that considering I haven't given a defense for anything at all. I mean I just read through my posts after i read that post trying to see what you are referring to....couldn't do it. Which makes me think that this post is a fabricated reason to leave his vote on me especially we keep getting to L-1 on me. As for my vote bein suspect how about you explain why it is suspect and how it is any different than any other early game vote.

In post 101, burn_209 wrote:

In post 92, Luca Blight wrote:NS, as you are someone who is prepared to make quick judgement calls on players, who would you say is of town/scum lean at this early stage? Do you still think Not_Mafia is definitely Town?

As for Burn, his defence of himself is weak to say the least, and his voting of Not_Mafia as GM pointed out was also a bit suspect. GM is generally coming across as Town at the moment with much logical, pro-town posting, same with NS. Obviously these are the two more experienced players but they are my two biggest town reads at the moment.

Interesting that you say that considering I haven't given a defense for anything at all. I mean I just read through my posts after i read that post trying to see what you are referring to....couldn't do it. Which makes me think that this post is a fabricated reason to leave his vote on me especially we keep getting to L-1 on me. As for my vote bein suspect how about you explain why it is suspect and how it is any different than any other early game vote.

You're defence seemed to consist of this:

In post 79, burn_209 wrote:

In post 71, Not_Mafia wrote:

In post 68, burn_209 wrote:This one not so much. Justifying the risk on the derphammer on a judgement call that in a NEWBIE game, that we are 3 pages into, that we have players here that are a higher standard isnt very smart. But hey one vote is always one vote closer to a townie lynch right scum?

VOTE: NOT MAFIA

You were on L-2 after my vote so there was hardly a massive risk, nice omgus now that the wagon is focused on you

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FTFY

You said lets push this to L-1 meaning you were down to risk it

In post 81, burn_209 wrote:So now I'm at L-1. Why does this always happen to me lol I'm always L-1 on day one.

As for your Not_Mafia vote, you're probably right that it is little different from any other early vote, but it came across very aggressive and overly-defensive, which aroused my suspicions a bit. Obviously there is little to go on now so we're all feeding on scraps like that.

As I said before I don't have any real case against you other than what I mentioned, so I am happy to UNVOTE: burn for now, if it makes you feel better

In post 96, notscience wrote:I don't know

But I have gut feelings about people and try to relate them to other things I've seen (Bert does this too)

That makes more sense

In post 96, notscience wrote:I don't know

But I have gut feelings about people and try to relate them to other things I've seen (Bert does this too)

Who is Bert?

In post 104, Zivel wrote:

In post 96, notscience wrote:I don't know

But I have gut feelings about people and try to relate them to other things I've seen (Bert does this too)

Who is Bert?

Bored on my lunch at work so I'll post some early reads.

post 48 was good, hasn't been bandwagoning and has been posting decent observations

I l've liked his posts so far but I'd like to see more consistent activity

his content has been good so far but I'll wait until he's non-vla

waiting for more content and for him to settle in to the game more

I'd like to see some actual content

slight buddying with notsci earlier but ultimately more activity is needed

his omgus on me was weaksauce and the AtE about always being on L-1 was poor

Going after Zivel first of all people still seems scum to me. Plus he is hopping on and off wagons every other second, refusing to commit to a wagon and keeping village in rvs. The risk of derphammering is seriously.overrated, when placing a vote just look at the last votecount and if you're going to L-1 try to make it known.

Discussion is stalling so I want everyone to post at least a couple of reads and give their thoughts on what others have said.

@rachmarie

How do you feel now about having your vote on notsci?

In post 106, Not_Mafia wrote:Discussion is stalling so I want everyone to post at least a couple of reads and give their thoughts on what others have said.

OK. Gfm is Town. Zivel is probably Town. You are probably Town. burn is probably Scum. I can't read notsci for shit. Rach I might be able to read eventually but probably not in this game day.

In post 102, Luca Blight wrote:As I said before I don't have any real case against you other than what I mentioned, so I am happy to UNVOTE: burn for now, if it makes you feel better

What up with the appeasement?

In post 104, Zivel wrote:

In post 96, notscience wrote:I don't know

But I have gut feelings about people and try to relate them to other things I've seen (Bert does this too)

Who is Bert?

Bert is another player on here, he plays Opens mostly I think.

In post 109, goodmorning wrote:

In post 102, Luca Blight wrote:As I said before I don't have any real case against you other than what I mentioned, so I am happy to UNVOTE: burn for now, if it makes you feel better

What up with the appeasement?

My voting of burn was a RVS vote, and although he has a slight scum lean for the reasons I stated, there isn't a compelling reason for me to keep my vote on him at this stage, if you can provide one then I will be happy to jump back on his wagon.

I will follow Not_Mafia's lead and do my own brief reads:

- my biggest town read at the moment, every post has been pro-town and he didn't want to jump on burn's wagon without good reason.

- slight town. Has been pretty confident and has been prepared to give his reads. The fact he is doubting NS even after he read him as 100% town is also a good sign, as if he was scum it would be easy to buddy him.

- null. Got her and mutt's posts confused earlier, and looking back through her ISO she has contributed little content so far for a IC, though she has been V/LA so hopefully there will be more to come from her.

- null, maybe very slight scum lean. He hasn't contributed much, he has mainly played it safe which is something that can arouse my suspicions a bit, but then he is probably the most inexperienced out of the lot of us so that could explain his indecisiveness. He was suspicious of NS in one of his posts, hopefully he will provide more of his thoughts so we can take a better look at him.

- null. Joined the game late and is yet to post much content. Jumped on the burn wagon, though that is justifiable at this early stage to gauge reactions.

- null. No content whatsoever. I have seen her posting on other games and avoiding this one, so that could be a bad sign. Again hopefully we will see some more content soon from her.

- slight-scum. Most of his posts come across as very aggressive and overly-defensive. I said before his defence of himself was weak, and he responded by saying he didn't even defend himself, but my question here would be how is that helping town? There was a bandwagon forming, and if he had been lynched and flipped town, would such a stance have done anything to help our decision? My biggest scum-read so far, but it's early days and I'm prepared to give him chance before committing my vote to him, especially as there are a few players who we have heard nothing from at this stage.

- null. NS is an interesting one; my gut is telling me he is town, but he is a difficult one to read and my initial feeling was that he was trying to buddy the stronger town influences early on. The fact he voted burn, but then unvoted when a L-1 was on the cards to save a derphammer could be seen as a pro-town play, however.

In post 108, goodmorning wrote: OK. Gfm is Town. Zivel is probably Town. You are probably Town. burn is probably Scum. I can't read notsci for shit. Rach I might be able to read eventually but probably not in this game day.

I still haven't gotten a satifactory answer from anyone on why burn seems scum to them so I'm going to ask you now. Elaborate on the rest of your reads as well please.

Well what do you think of his reaction to the L-1 and what do you think of his vote on me? Are you null or scum on him?

I'd be curious to see some reads from a player as conservative as you aswell.

In post 104, Zivel wrote:

In post 96, notscience wrote:I don't know

But I have gut feelings about people and try to relate them to other things I've seen (Bert does this too)

Who is Bert?

One of my favorite people on MS to play with

Re:derphammering-

Is it as common as I make it out to be? No. It still happens more than it should. I've seen cops selfhammer on page 3 of games after being run up to L-1. I'veseen hammers without claims (majority end up in lynching PRs it's hilarious)

Right okay people been wanting me to join in more so here goes
Burn don't like what he's saying and acting so guessing most likely scum
Luca not got no bad suspicion on him
Gm nothing bad on this one yet
Ns he has a lot of knowledge on people want to hear more from him I like his reasonings
Rachmarie nothing on this one
Mutt nothing bad
The others cba to name as don't think anything bad

By the way, if anyone's meta-based I can provide games from each alignment

It wouldn't hurt

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=32441 - S
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=35851 - T
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=36077 - S, basically confscum at the point I subbed in
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=34231 - S (with GM funny enough)
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=34746 - T

There's 5 games if you need more lemme know

In post 111, Graeyfurredmutt wrote:

In post 108, goodmorning wrote: OK. Gfm is Town. Zivel is probably Town. You are probably Town. burn is probably Scum. I can't read notsci for shit. Rach I might be able to read eventually but probably not in this game day.

I still haven't gotten a satifactory answer from anyone on why burn seems scum to them so I'm going to ask you now. Elaborate on the rest of your reads as well please.

Yea neither have I all people have said is that they dont like what I say or how I acted. No one elaborates on that and shows what rubbed them the wrong way or why it did they just seem to be using it as a half assed answer to why they want to be on the bandwagon.

Here is my list however.



Luca - He is my primary scum tell right now because he was quick to follow the bandwagon on me and his reasoning for it didnt satisfy me. Saying that my defense was weak, when it was clear I wasnt giving one at all, seems like a hallow reason to vote for me. Then you unvote me when I challenge you about it which screams mafia to me because it is something that I have done many times when I was scum. Hold a vote on someone then once they start to challenge me I withdraw it quickly.

RachelMarie - She hasnt posted anything that has made me think she is mafia, but she only has 4 posts and looks like a lurker and if you are a lurker you are doing the town no good.



Not_Mafia - When I first challenged him early in the game about derphammering it was mostly to get discussion going and getting some traction for the town. It didnt matter if the heat was on me more him at the end of the little engagement as long as it gave town something to dissect and focus on. After that post thought I liked the things he has been posting especially 77 which makes me start to think he is town

Notty - I like how he is calling out town players and directing the town a little bit. Also warning people of the derphammer and unvoting to make sure it happens seems a lot lie a town move to me. Probably my strongest town read so far.

Mutt - I like that mutt is asking for people to explain the case on me because it shows he is actually tryin to piece things together. Mafia dont have to piece shit together. They basically go with the flow and move with the town. Mutt isnt doing that here and it makes me think he is town



Goodmorning and Zivel I cant get a read on so they are neutral to me


Since everyone thinks I am scum Im going to put an end to this bullshit right now because it always happens to me and more often than not I am town

VOTE: Burn_209

There you go. I am at L-1 now so which one of you guys that think I am scum has the balls to hammer me right now? Go ahead be my guest. DO IT! But you better be fucking sure that you are right and you sure as hell better deal with the consequences afterwards. If no one is going to hammer me then lets stop this "I dont really have a reason to think burn is mafia but ill make something up so I can just go with the flow of the town." bullshit.

Ummm. You were already on L-1. You just hammered yourself

Jokes. Jokes

I play chicken games like that as scum on skype mafia fwiw

hmmm

an interesting if somewhat antitown move

Burn is trying too hard imo. Ae should keep the pressure on him