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Okay, PWS, first off, pj DID make that quote; it came from the first line of post 58, second sentence. It is quite clear he did not simply “forget” his third reason. Furthermore, pj had not yet explicitly stated what made it seem like KScope was trying to seem lost; the post of mine that you quote (post 68) came before pj’s post 79, which is where he explicitly explained why he believed that. Prior to that, I felt Primate made the more convincing argument in his post 63.PlaysWithSquirrels wrote:The game seems to be progressing normally, but I see this post as a bit of a "sore thumb" if you will. Despite having "more than 75 games" worth of mafia experience, KScope seems to lack the basic knowledge about how a mafia game operates. An example of this is something like:Paper wrote:I’m not quite convinced that Scope is acting scummy; I’d say Primate makes the more convincing case at this point. I don’t think anything he’s done so far suggests trying to look like a “lost newb”. But, I’m wondering about the significance ofIt seems to me that pj either has additional information or is pretending he does in order to mislead the town.petroleumjelly wrote:I will not state my third reason, since I see no benefit in doing so.
He's totally not understanding the accusation and twisting the argument against him into something it was never intended to be. This could be explained by taking a look at some of the games run over at that other message boards, but I haven't been able to go look over there yet. I have a feeling the playskill is not as high there as it is here. Plus all boards are a bit different.KScope wrote:Lost newb? The reason i'm playing agressive a bit is because it is day 1 and we need to call people out if we want to have a reasonable lynch. If "a lost newb" is a point of discussion, then I have no problem with it. As long as something is discussed, the more value it will have later in the game.
But anyway, back to Paper. PJ pretty clearly layed out why he thought KScope was pulling the newb card and Paper still doesn't see it. Then he goes and makes that bogus quote about PJ not revealing his third reason which to my knowledge never came out of PJ's mouth. It seems that PJ just forgot to give his third reason. It's an abrasive comment to make.
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I have since become more convinced that there is something scummy about KScope, as I stated in my post 90.
I’m honestly embarrassed by post 68; it was made quite hastily with little thought. At the time of posting, I felt that I should post but didn’t really have anything to contribute. I remembered a game I had played in the past when a Mafioso set up a breadcrumb for a cop claim and managed to win the game as a result of it, so I hastily scribbled down post 68. After reflecting on that post the next day, I realized just how freaking
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PWS, your last post was weird I thought, and I don't just mean the layout. Can you explain again why K-Scope seems to lack the basic knowledge of how a mafia game operates? And as for your thing againt Paper.. what is your reply to his reply? The only thing I saw wrong with the post you quoted was the suggestion that PJ was trying to mislead the town with his mysterious third reason, but Paper's explanation seemed ok. At least, I think I know which game he might be referring to (where a mafioso breadcrumbed cop and won).
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1.)PWS wrote:Explain why.
The wording here makes K-Scope's actions sound inherently malicious. It rubbed me the wrong way.PWS wrote:He's totally not understanding the accusation and twisting the argument against him into something it was never intended to be.
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-> A.) Not all newer players are going "see" the newb card immediately: and in all technicality, K-Scope didn't play it, but I instead just got the feeling he was originally trying to make a point of unfinished games on Mafia Scum. Since we later learned he was experienced, I would expect such subtlety if he were trying to act new. If he has said anything along the lines of "go easy on me, because..." I would have been all over him. Since that was not the case, I can understand Paper's hesitancy to essentially take my word on the subject.PWS wrote: PJ pretty clearly layed out why he thought KScope was pulling the newb card and Paper still doesn't see it. Then he goes and makes that bogus quote about PJ not revealing his third reason which to my knowledge never came out of PJ's mouth. It seems that PJ just forgot to give his third reason. It's an abrasive comment to make.
-> B.) As pointed out by others, I did indeed have a third reason that made me vote K-Scope that I did not reveal, so Paper was not at all using a "bogus quote". Your post seems to strongly imply that you have read the game (in that you were able to firstly assess that the game is "progressing normally" as well being able to point out your "sore thumb" post), so I find it difficult to believe that you missed that fact entirely.
Although I do not believe you intentionally ignored my mentioning of the third reason for voting K-Scope (since that would assure you to be disproven) and hence do not find
that
scummy, I do
find it scummy that you tried to portray yourself as somebody who has read the game, and yet missed that line entirely (and further did not go back to check and see if Paper's quote was legit before attacking).As for why I liked Paper's post, two reasons:
1.) Paper showed a logical progression in thoughts about his view on K-Scope (from my post, to Primate's post, to my next post); and
2.) Although Paper expresses embarrassment over insinuating that I might be scum trying to mislead the town over an unstated third reason, that action makes much more sense with the background information he has now provided (concerning a mafiate who breadcrumbed something similar, and later used it to claim Cop to his/her advantage).
I was rather hoping people might actually have
discussed
a few things over the interim of my waiting to answer PWS's question. Games don't need to stop simply because there is one unanswered question."Logic? I call that flapdoodle."
(Ugh, pj posted while I was writing this and covered a lot of the things I wanted to say, sometimes more eloquently, but I’m posting it anyways)
I was waiting to see how PWS would respond to me before posting again, but since that hasn’t happened in the past two days, I’m going to
Reasoning: In his post 98, he accused me of failing to see how KScope was trying to play the newb card despite pj laying it out clearly, by quoting a post of mine made
It’s also interesting to note that he is aware that pj has three reasons for voting against K-Scope and believes he just forgot to post the third, while also being unaware of where my quote came from, as pj first stated he had three reasons and was withholding the third, not only in the same post, but in
PWS cannot have read the thread very carefully before making his accusations, yet still seems to be trying to appear to have a well-reasoned argument in post 98. Thus, he appears to look not like a townie genuinely looking for scum, but more like a scum trying to divert attention away from his scumbuddy, IH, whose actions I still find highly suspicious.
(Oh yeah, Patrick, I don't think we're thinking of the same game. The game I'm thinking of was on IRC)
I was waiting to see how PWS would respond to me before posting again, but since that hasn’t happened in the past two days, I’m going to
Unvote, Vote PlaysWithSquirrels, fos IH
.Reasoning: In his post 98, he accused me of failing to see how KScope was trying to play the newb card despite pj laying it out clearly, by quoting a post of mine made
before
pj laid it out clearly. He then accused me of making up a phony pj quote, which is simply untrue.It’s also interesting to note that he is aware that pj has three reasons for voting against K-Scope and believes he just forgot to post the third, while also being unaware of where my quote came from, as pj first stated he had three reasons and was withholding the third, not only in the same post, but in
adjacent sentences
. PWS may have learned pj had three reasons from pj’s post 72, which was a response to my 68, but in this post pj also acknowledges that his third reason was unexplained, so it still doesn’t make sense for PWS to believe he has “forgotten” it, and doesn’t accuse me of fabricating a quote, which I doubt he would have failed to notice were it true.PWS cannot have read the thread very carefully before making his accusations, yet still seems to be trying to appear to have a well-reasoned argument in post 98. Thus, he appears to look not like a townie genuinely looking for scum, but more like a scum trying to divert attention away from his scumbuddy, IH, whose actions I still find highly suspicious.
(Oh yeah, Patrick, I don't think we're thinking of the same game. The game I'm thinking of was on IRC)
Nice. How long did it take you to make that post?
The game I was thinking of was newbie 289 btw, where you were replaced before the game started and your would have been scumbuddy won it while leaving cop breadcrumbs.
The game I was thinking of was newbie 289 btw, where you were replaced before the game started and your would have been scumbuddy won it while leaving cop breadcrumbs.
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