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Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2014 1:09 pm
by Save The Dragons
Because I can't figure out the pro-town utility of that statement.
Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2014 1:34 pm
by MadCitrus
Utility for me or utility for town? Because there's utility for town and that's why I posted it
Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2014 1:49 pm
by Save The Dragons
Is utility for the town different than utility for you?
I spent about 10 minutes staring at that line trying to figure out why you would say that based on what alignment you might be.
I don't really see how that helps the town, hence me asking why it helps the town. Your post invites mafia, SKs, jesters, etc. etc. if they are present in this game to claim survivor.
I'm pretty dense when it comes to current theory/site meta/etc.etc.etc. so I'm genuinely asking what benefit you gave the town saying that.
Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2014 2:03 pm
by MadCitrus
I was trying to interpret that from the PoV of someone who doesn't know my alignment. I'd honestly say there's a difference between town utility vs. my utility, but everyone will interpret it differently from how I mean it. If I was mod!confirmed town I'd still say that.
Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2014 2:05 pm
by Save The Dragons
Cool. Can we get back to the other part?
Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2014 2:30 pm
by MadCitrus
The second part of my post? Not commenting beyond what I've said right now. Maybe I'm a Survivor and want to test the water before claiming or something
Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2014 3:06 pm
by Thesp
Zoidberg
(4): SleepyKrew, Konowa, Wolfy, MadCitrus
Klazam
(2): ika, hiplop
Natirasha
(2): Natirasha, Zoidberg
hiplop
(2): Save The Dragons, leviathan93
Save The Dragons
(1): ZZZX
Not Voting
(2): Klazam, Maestro
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2014 4:55 pm
by hiplop
VOTE: ZZZX
Can't get a feel for what this guy is thinking.
Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2014 5:22 pm
by Maestro
I need to read up and cbf to do that right now because [INAPPROPRIATE SWEAR WORDS]
but srsly I can't take more than a little bit of what this site is throwing at me at the moment
sheeping SKrew till I can catch up and I hate Zoid anyway
VOTE: Zoidberg
Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2014 7:00 pm
by Klazam
↑ MadCitrus wrote:The second part of my post? Not commenting beyond what I've said right now. Maybe I'm a Survivor and want to test the water before claiming or something
Get to the point.
VOTE: madcitrus
Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2014 9:27 pm
by Wolfy
@Natirasha - why are you still self-voting?
You know where the vote needs to go...
Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2014 1:07 am
by ZZZX
↑ hiplop wrote:VOTE: ZZZX
Can't get a feel for what this guy is thinking.
Good. That proves my mafiascum skills are still intact.
a good player can hide his allignment perfectly. Making it clear helps town play and hurts scum play for a person. You should never do anything that will hurt your wincon as one allignment for another.
on another note I will read in 10 minutes since net seems to be fine-ish for a moment
Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2014 1:08 am
by ZZZX
I dont get the talk about the utility. There are POSSITIVE and NEGATIVE UTLITTY
I dont think they are allignment inducative most of the time (some negative utlities are made for town/scum thou)
Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2014 1:10 am
by ZZZX
nvm re-reading proved I suck at reading
Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2014 4:14 am
by hiplop
↑ ZZZX wrote:nvm re-reading proved I suck at reading
this may be the best post i've ever read. Just for that
UNVOTE:
Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2014 4:37 am
by SleepyKrew
↑ ZZZX wrote:a good player can hide his allignment perfectly. Making it clear helps town play and hurts scum play for a person. You should never do anything that will hurt your wincon as one allignment for another.
You seem to not understand something :/
Mote later but really omg
Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2014 4:42 am
by hiplop
question for zzzx: so if you're town would you want to come off as a scummy bastard????
Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2014 4:45 am
by ZZZX
↑ hiplop wrote:question for zzzx: so if you're town would you want to come off as a scummy bastard????
No but my town playstyle is pretty much shitty and possibly agressive when I believe someone to be scum which scum sometimes use to mislynch me.
I hate the fact that 80% of the games I am either killed or lynched early
@sleepy correct my info then.
Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2014 4:53 am
by hiplop
think about it this way: if theoretically like 10/13 players confirmed themselves as town, itd be VERY easy to catch scum by PoE.
you want to show youre town if you are when it is helpful! It helps narrow down who the NOT TOWN are
Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2014 5:31 am
by ZZZX
↑ hiplop wrote:think about it this way: if theoretically like 10/13 players confirmed themselves as town, itd be VERY easy to catch scum by PoE.
you want to show youre town if you are when it is helpful! It helps narrow down who the NOT TOWN are
You have a point. But cant scum fake it too?
Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2014 5:34 am
by hiplop
It's very hard to hold up a lie for a (sometimes) several month game. Town can tell the truth better than scum can lie.
Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2014 6:08 am
by ZZZX
↑ hiplop wrote:It's very hard to hold up a lie for a (sometimes) several month game. Town can tell the truth better than scum can lie.
Can Confirm this isnt always true.
Also this playstyle helps me when I am a PR. As long as my play doesnt change I can sometimes make it late enough to get use of my pr
Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2014 6:10 am
by Save The Dragons
Was going to mention something like that ^ but now I don't have to. Woo hoo!
Vote: MadCitrus
Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2014 7:29 am
by Zoidberg
So I hate RVS and thought I would instigate things to get the game rolling. I wanted to wagon Natirasha mostly for info, not because I find her particularly scummy, but mostly for info. I don't mind if that makes me look hella scummy and accrue a lot of votes if we get some decent info out of it. Notice how my wagon stalled? It's because there are scum on it. Probably 2, but at least one, guaranteed. They can't push the mislynch too hard or fast for fear of sticking their necks out.
Therefore there is guaranteed scum in the set { SleepyKrew, Konowa, Wolfy, MadCitrus, Maestro }.
In particular I get bad vibes from the way MadCitrus limped onto my wagon. Check out his iso, too. It's trash. He votes me for practically non-existent reasons (voting the mod in a potentially-bastard game is a scumtell now?
) and then proceeds to do absolutely no scumhunting whatsoever.
He's replacing scumhunting with a bunch of useless obfuscation and theory about utility. That's not town.
Upon a re-read, this post stuck out to me too:
↑ MadCitrus wrote:I like you Konowa. Welcome to my secret town-block.
Not because I think he's a scumbuddy (because right now I'm reading Konowa p town) but because it looks like buddying up to Konowa and hoping we won't notice that MadCitrus is just piggybacking on Konowa's reads.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: MadCitrus
Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2014 7:29 am
by Zoidberg
Serious question: how come?