Unvote: d3sisted
because it was a random vote.
A few general observations:
I don't think Javert's first vote was bad at all. It was much better than a random vote, and gave us 4 pages of discussions, which make up an interesting read.
The Fonz, and anyone else accusing Javert to lead a bandwagon should note that he did not actually ask anyone else to vote for Meme. He simply stated his reasons for his non random vote. He expanded on it because he was attacked for it, so though it would seem that he is actually leading a charge against Meme to be lynched, it is actually not the case; to me it seems like he was defending his own stand more than anything
In post 48, The Fonz posted:
The Fonz wrote:
Pre-game is not night. There is absolutely no possibility whatsoever that meme was online and did not confirm because she wanted to PM her scumbuddies. There are plenty of possibilities which have no connection to her being scum whatsoever.
However, later, in post 64, The Mod confirms that the night talking roles were indeed allowed to talk during the night. But, 4 hours and 2 posts later (post 66) The Fonz AGAIN states that:
The Fonz wrote:Javert wrote:1.)
To address The Fonz: Here is
my
generic second rule for games:
My second rule wrote:[02] Do not talk outside of this thread, unless your role PM explicitly says you may do so, and even then, you are restricted to night-time for all out-of-thread conversation.
And here is
my
generic scum PM:
Generic Scum PM wrote:You are
Mafia
, and your partner is
[XXXX]
. The two of you, for whatever reason, thought it would be a good idea to kill everybody in the area of -edited- to where you've just relocated your business.
You may talk together before the game officially starts by private messages, and during each night
– you may not, however, talk privately during the day.
Each night (which does
not
include pre-game), you may send me one person which you would like to kill
. You win when you have eliminated all townspeople and at least one Mafia member is still alive, or if nothing can prevent the same.
I am STRONGLY of the opinion that the rules should be clear on when the scum can and cannot talk, and expect most others to follow the same kinda pattern.
Confirm that you have received your role by responding to this PM.
*Highlighted for emphasis.
You might not like it, but I
do
consider pre-game a "night" – just not a "night" during which scum can send in a kill.
And equally, you might not like it, but I do NOT consider pre-game a 'night.' Unless it is specifically referred to as N0.
Also, stick this in your pipe and smoke it:
Seol's Rule #6 wrote:[6] once I have locked the thread, it is night.
The thread started off being locked. So for the purposes of this game, it must have been "night".
That's like saying a space shuttle must be a formula one car because it goes fast. The thread being locked is a property of night, not the definition of night.
This is blatant contradiction to what the mod had just confirmed.
I am not liking d3sisted at the moment either... he's casting third vote on far too many people. That, in itself isn't a scum tell, but a few of his posts have alarmed me.
Firstly, he seems to be criticizing Javert for sparking a discussion that he feels is "muddling up" the thread. I am interested to know why d3sisted is not liking this discussion.
Then, he seems to be over cautionary, and accusing Javert of wanting to lynch Meme, when in fact Javert had just cast a single vote on her (while d3sisted, on the other hand has cast third votes on people on at least 2 occasions)
I don't like his recent posts asking whether the mafia had a kill in the pre-game phase, when in fact it was clearly mention that the game has a day start.
Also, did anyone else notice that it was actually The Fonz and d3sisted who jumped at Javert for voting Meme, and not Meme herself? Why?
And, finally, to those who are accusing Javert being scum on a "weak, or non-existant scumtell" are missing the point that whatever he voted for is certainly more solid than a random vote everyone else voted for. And, I think Javert has made it clear himself on more than one occasion that even he considers his argument weak and not worthy of a lynch.
FOS: The Fonz
FOS: d3sisted