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↑ Passionate Storm wrote:
I think we'll keep that quiet. One of us at least would like to post anonymously without meta baggage at some point.

I don't get the errant vote.

~Titus

Makes sense.

It's a weak read. But he kept asking silly questions on the lack of vote while implying that a vote gets more reactions, even after my lack of vote has gotten far more responses from multiple people and I think the responses are more genuine because I believe the intentional lack of vote is not expected. So blatantly ignoring facts to pursue a read and tunnel through certain other interesting things going on around him such as the aneninen accusation or the Gwen response, or even you, which he eventually pursued but backed off to state something reasonable and kind of defend you in a strange way. On top of this, he backs off slightly to clarify, and then responds unreasonably when I call him out on it. In my experience, town is far more unreasonable than scum- they're lives are slightly more expendable and they have less to work with, so they in a way have to be somewhat unreasonable to force frantic scum to try to reason with them or get in an argument with another town, and thus gain a read.

↑ Extrapolated Eagle wrote:

↑ Passionate Storm wrote:
I think we'll keep that quiet. One of us at least would like to post anonymously without meta baggage at some point.

I don't get the errant vote.

~Titus

Makes sense.

It's a weak read. But he kept asking silly questions on the lack of vote while implying that a vote gets more reactions, even after my lack of vote has gotten far more responses from multiple people and I think the responses are more genuine because I believe the intentional lack of vote is not expected. So blatantly ignoring facts to pursue a read and tunnel through certain other interesting things going on around him such as the aneninen accusation or the Gwen response, or even you, which he eventually pursued but backed off to state something reasonable and kind of defend you in a strange way. On top of this, he backs off slightly to clarify, and then responds unreasonably when I call him out on it. In my experience, town is far more unreasonable than scum- they're lives are slightly more expendable and they have less to work with, so they in a way have to be somewhat unreasonable to force frantic scum to try to reason with them or get in an argument with another town, and thus gain a read.

I'd like to add to this and state that I believe there IS another type of town that would prefer to sit back and watch, I.e. myself, as well as other players in this game, I believe, but even these players can be forced to scrambling in the dirt with everyone else should no one else create enough content.

EE, that last post just turned into a rambling thing I don't understand. You stated that EP is acting unreasonably and that town are more likely than scum to be unreasonable but you conclude EP is scum.

What do you think of SG's push on me? misreading town or desperate busyworking scum?

~Titus

↑ Extrapolated Eagle wrote:
But he kept asking silly questions on the lack of vote while implying that a vote gets more reactions, even after my lack of vote has gotten far more responses from multiple people and I think the responses are more genuine because I believe the intentional lack of vote is not expected. So blatantly ignoring facts to pursue a read and tunnel through certain other interesting things going on around him such as the aneninen accusation or the Gwen response, or even you, which he eventually pursued but backed off to state something reasonable and kind of defend you in a strange way. On top of this, he backs off slightly to clarify, and then responds unreasonably when I call him out on it. In my experience, town is far more unreasonable than scum- they're lives are slightly more expendable and they have less to work with, so they in a way have to be somewhat unreasonable to force frantic scum to try to reason with them or get in an argument with another town, and thus gain a read.

Let's break this down
1) I think there's some sort of misunderstanding between us. I don't think you not voting is scummy. I think that your reasons for not voting are scummy.
2) I wasn't "pursuing" PS. I asked something that I eventually realized was a dumb question. At the time, I thought that it was odd that Titus was pointing to something that she did as town, and asked that question because I wanted to see if it was because of playstyle.
3) I don't like how you parrot PS's curiosity as to my "theory" question. Seems like you were really quick to attack me on that question being useless because someone gave you an opening to do that.
4) I still don't see how I'm backing off. And I don't see how I'm being unreasonable. If I am being unreasonable, then you're saying that I'm town. In addition, your whole "reasonable read" is no good in my opinion.
5) I don't buy the Gwen response. I don't really buy the Aneninen accusation. Nothing to say about them because I don't think there's anything that signifies the accuser or the accusee (that's not a word) as town or scum.

↑ Extrapolated Eagle wrote:I'd like to add to this and state that I believe there IS another type of town that would prefer to sit back and watch, I.e. myself, as well as other players in this game, I believe, but even these players can be forced to scrambling in the dirt with everyone else should no one else create enough content.

I understand. I really do. But I'd like to point out that it's very possible that this is scum here justifying a lack of scumhunting in the future. Setting the stage to defend against future attacks, if you will.

I am green.

- green

to clarify my response to 101:
I don't think that you sitting back and watching is alignment indicative.
However, I don't like that you felt the need to say that unprovoked.

EP, thoughts on SG?

~Titus

↑ Errantparabola wrote:to clarify my response to 101:
I don't think that you sitting back and watching is alignment indicative.
However, I don't like that you felt the need to say that unprovoked.

I think he was sufficiently provoked.

Green thinks SG is scum.

↑ Passionate Storm wrote:

↑ Errantparabola wrote:to clarify my response to 101:
I don't think that you sitting back and watching is alignment indicative.
However, I don't like that you felt the need to say that unprovoked.

I think he was sufficiently provoked.

I see how Eagle would come to the conclusion that I think him not voting is scummy. But I don't think that. I just don't believe that Eagle made the conscious decision to not vote in hopes that someone with an RVS voting philosophy like me would come along and question him on it.

To respond to your SG question. Too early for a read on SG or you right now. The one thing I find odd is how you speculated whether SG is aggressive town or desperate scum. I don't think aggression is alignment indicative at all and don't see why you would think others would. But I will go and reread the exchange after a shower. PSGreen, why do you think that SG is scum?

One more thing before I go.

I find it hard to consolidate the attitude of "prefer to sit back and watch" with the action of "purposely do something in hopes that it will provoke someone"

Green thinks she's trying to frame town.

You might disagree with green, but green knows what green is doing. So does grey, and when green and grey combine, a force like no other is made.

I'm getting to everything, but I have to finish eating dinner first. I promise answer s to everyone's questions

↑ Errantparabola wrote:
5) I don't buy the Gwen response. I don't really buy the Aneninen accusation. Nothing to say about them because I don't think there's anything that signifies the accuser or the accusee (that's not a word) as town or scum.

This sounds like you have more here, but you don't want to give the analysis because it's easier to go after Eagle.

↑ Passionate Storm wrote:Green thinks she's trying to frame town.

Okay, so Green is Jean. Titus doesn't think in these terms. Also, Titus has dealt with me before in SA2, so she should have an idea how I go about getting reads.

You generally don't pursue reads after they've been proven false.

~Titus

I'm not sure if what you're doing is D1 silliness or if you're both drunken Scum.

I'm going to go make a pot of coffee now, looks like it's going to be a long night.

Alright. First miss Gwen. I think she's likely right, although her reasoning is a bit suspect, I have an ever slight town read on her:

1. She begged for attention, very provocatively, I might add. Similar to my provocative posting. This reads slight town to me.

2. You and everyone else who responded to my intentionally provocative posting were bait. In a way. I initially was very vague and weird with the hope of grabbing the attention of people. (You and errant) the goal was to get people to vote me. Which you both did (obligingly).

2.5 "How were we bait?" At this point, I believe that if I was a scum and I saw town voting provocative town, I would respond by voting the voting group for some easy white knight points. But no one voted you guys. Either of you. Which makes me think that you were actually scum taking advantage of easy town. So slightly scum read on you.

3. "But eagle, Gwen voted for us." Yes, she did. But instead of hiding behind an rvs vote or a silly reason, she voted for you after you unvoted me for the silly reason that you wanted to rvs someone. Which is nowhere near the same.

4. "But Gwen is not listening to us." Maybe. I don't know if she's saying what she means or miscommunicating or not. I do know that you were cautious, Titus, and green has posted barely anything. Meta for green: she's very emotional when she's town. But she's reserved. And Titus isn't reserved, Titus is hunting. And backing off. And describing her towniness. Now it could be that it's totally different in your personal discussion. Which is why this is only a very very slight scum read directed at you. But I agree with Gwen. Also no one came to vote you when I expected them to if you were town

↑ Passionate Storm wrote:You generally don't pursue reads after they've been proven false.

~Titus

Agreed. Or rather, you shouldn't. But that's not the reasoning you gave earlier.

So in conclusion, I agree with Gwen. I have an ever so slight scum read on you guys. I'll get to parabola in just a moment.

@parabola

No. You are being silly again. Please, fget out of that pile of cowpies you've built the foundation of your argument on. Go back, fact check, clarify what you're going to say, and then come back and talk to me.

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My read on ep simplified:
1. Ep saw someone not voting
2. Ep took the bait and voted easy way
Clarifying: nothing up to here is scummy or towny. Just falling for bait.
3. Ep reacts aggressively, using argument that not voting doesn't get people to react aggressively
4. I watch and wait
5. Ep continues aggression
6. I tell Ep he is being silly and start to give up on anyone voting for bait
7. Ep backs off a little to explain himself and realizes his argument is self-contradictory
This is kind of scummy because usually town pursue reads excessively beyond a shadow of a doubt, imo. But backing off is ok. He could be reasonable type
8. Ep responds to being called out for backing off by attacking again
This is definitely scummy for obv reasons
9. Ep makes a bs argument to pursue in order to try to look like town again and maybe distract me from other things because I'm busy responding to him.

Other reasons I'm scum reading him:
1. Tunnels me and ignores Gwen - kinda scummy but not super
2. No one votes for him as bait. Also very slight

↑ Passionate Storm wrote:You might disagree with green, but green knows what green is doing. So does grey, and when green and grey combine, a force like no other is made.

... Grayish-green?

Also, would you mind explaining what green is doing?

↑ Passionate Storm wrote:Green thinks she's trying to frame town.

That's called OMGUS

YEAH

↑ Extrapolated Eagle wrote:I don't like the thread right now.

The only thing I didn't like up to that point was your irritating roleplay. What were you talking about here?

VOTE: passionate storm

literally only good things can come from wagoning this

It's so delightful to play YCBA again. Thrilling games, truly.

VOTE: Aneninen

I agree with Titus that he looks scummy, but you can do her either.