If you don't intend to vote him why do you keep making sidelong comments on his wagon?
I don't really think "this is what I do" is a very good justification.
I believe the nature of the game is to comment on what we see and watch to find out what others do in response. Is that not your understanding of how it goes?
Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2016 5:17 pm
by Sakura Hana
↑beeboy wrote:I liked the engagement you did earlier it was weird and promoted discussion. The cost of that is you where asking weird questions and obviously that would attract attention to yourself but that isn't a risk from a scum POV so I'd imagine you where town.
Why would me doing something with low risk as scum make me town?
↑beeboy wrote:Although Cakes did a lot less than you and it really bothers me that you ignored the rest of my list and only replied to my read on you when my read on other players should be more important.
Why is it surprising to you that I question townreads on me?, Specially coming from someone who's been screwed over by scum me once, and been my scum partner once before, I would think you'd want to sort me out, and your townread on me stuck out like a sore thumb. I think it was an early attempt at budding me and once i reacted to it, you're trying to reverse your read on me. VOTE: beeboy
Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2016 5:18 pm
by davesaz
My 100 is pretty much the answer for the question in 95 as well. Which is also why I said I didn't (yet) know what to think about the buddy thing either.
Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2016 5:24 pm
by Mirhawk
↑davesaz wrote:I believe the nature of the game is to comment on what we see and watch to find out what others do in response. Is that not your understanding of how it goes?
That's cute and all but my question still stands.
If you found his behavior suspicious why didn't you vote for him?
↑beeboy wrote:I liked the engagement you did earlier it was weird and promoted discussion. The cost of that is you where asking weird questions and obviously that would attract attention to yourself but that isn't a risk from a scum POV so I'd imagine you where town.
Why would me doing something with low risk as scum make me town?
I made a mistake, it should be incredibly obvious that attracting attention to yourself isn't a problem for town. You should know that and all this first point is, is you padding your vote.
↑beeboy wrote:Although Cakes did a lot less than you and it really bothers me that you ignored the rest of my list and only replied to my read on you when my read on other players should be more important.
Why is it surprising to you that I question townreads on me?, Specially coming from someone who's been screwed over by scum me once, and been my scum partner once before, I would think you'd want to sort me out, and your townread on me stuck out like a sore thumb. I think it was an early attempt at budding me and once i reacted to it, you're trying to reverse your read on me. VOTE: beeboy
1. Well I took a pretty long break from mafia and I used to be screwed by pretty much every scum as town so it would be weird of me to fear so many players.
2. That point doesn't make sense if you accept that I have meta experience with you wouldn't it be easier for me to sort you which would justify a town read this early?
3. I made it very clear that the reason I thought you where scum from that post was that you didn't question any of my other reads. Cakes has made very few posts and Mala hasn't actually asked many questions so both those reads should have stood out if you where actually interested in sorting my slot you would have looked at everything in that post.
I would vote you but I am 90% sure Seniors is scum.
Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2016 5:27 pm
by davesaz
↑Sakura Hana wrote:
Why is it surprising to you that I question townreads on me?, Specially coming from someone who's been screwed over by scum me once, and been my scum partner once before, I would think you'd want to sort me out, and your townread on me stuck out like a sore thumb. I think it was an early attempt at budding me and once i reacted to it, you're trying to reverse your read on me.
Not trying to interfere with your conversation, but this is as good a post as any to use as an entry for my own questions.
You seem much more engaged than the previous games I remember. What I thought I'd see was endless off-topic comments and not much substance.
I don't think I've witnessed your scum game, so I can't pin this as being alignment indicative by personal experience...
But it makes me wonder if there is a reason for the change in pattern?
Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2016 5:29 pm
by beeboy
It is because she is scum with Seniors
Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2016 5:31 pm
by Sakura Hana
↑beeboy wrote:2. That point doesn't make sense if you accept that I have meta experience with you wouldn't it be easier for me to sort you which would justify a town read this early?
When i have done nothing that's not fakeable it raises all my alarm bells.
↑beeboy wrote:3. I made it very clear that the reason I thought you where scum from that post was that you didn't question any of my other reads. Cakes has made very few posts and Mala hasn't actually asked many questions so both those reads should have stood out if you where actually interested in sorting my slot you would have looked at everything in that post.
1) I haven't read much of the thread i mostly skimmed coz i've been busy (watching anime together with pie), so i dont know what Cakez or Mala have been doing other than before the point i left off.
2) However it's not like i make ghostly posts while im not around, im perfectly aware of what i've been doing and my belief is that you shouldn't have a townread on me this early.
3) Now again, this doesn't explain why you had a townread on me early on.
Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2016 5:31 pm
by Sakura Hana
↑davesaz wrote:But it makes me wonder if there is a reason for the change in pattern?
When was even the last time we played? my style has changed like 4 times in the last year.
Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2016 5:33 pm
by Sakura Hana
↑beeboy wrote:It is because she is scum with Seniors
L M A O
This is wrong on so many levels that are validated just by making an egosearch on me that im not even gonna bother with a response.
↑davesaz wrote:I believe the nature of the game is to comment on what we see and watch to find out what others do in response. Is that not your understanding of how it goes?
That's cute and all but my question still stands.
If you found his behavior suspicious why didn't you vote for him?
If it wasn't suspicious why did you point it out.
False dichotomy. You leave out the possibility that the behavior is neutral (or that I haven't formed an opinion on it yet) but the responses to my comments from him and others will help me sort people.
Pedit @Sakura: I have no idea how long it has been -- a short enough time that noticing the change didn't take any effort.
↑beeboy wrote:2. That point doesn't make sense if you accept that I have meta experience with you wouldn't it be easier for me to sort you which would justify a town read this early?
When i have done nothing that's not fakeable it raises all my alarm bells.
It still doesn't change the fact that meta experience would help me get a early read on you not the other way around.
↑beeboy wrote:3. I made it very clear that the reason I thought you where scum from that post was that you didn't question any of my other reads. Cakes has made very few posts and Mala hasn't actually asked many questions so both those reads should have stood out if you where actually interested in sorting my slot you would have looked at everything in that post.
1) I haven't read much of the thread i mostly skimmed coz i've been busy (watching anime together with pie), so i dont know what Cakez or Mala have been doing other than before the point i left off.
2) However it's not like i make ghostly posts while im not around, im perfectly aware of what i've been doing and my belief is that you shouldn't have a townread on me this early.
3) Now again, this doesn't explain why you had a townread on me early on.
r = response
r1) I guess that is true but if you thought I had a blind read on you I am shocked you wouldn't confront me about my other ones as well.
r2) I don't anymore to be fair. I thought you wouldn't make posts that attracted attention to yourself it isn't that hard to follow.
r3) It actually does taking a pointless risk isn't something scum would do.
↑beeboy wrote:I mean you responded to my post where I called you scum before this so you already have... :/
so 106 wasnt meant as a response to 105? I have trouble believing that.
107 was a reply to 104 where I said I would vote you which is you responding to the post where I called you scum. I know it wasn't 100% direct but saying I am willing to vote couldn't mean anything other than I think you are scum.
Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2016 6:08 pm
by beeboy
Just as a note everyone should move there vote over to Sakura I found scum!
Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2016 6:24 pm
by Mirhawk
↑davesaz wrote:False dichotomy. You leave out the possibility that the behavior is neutral (or that I haven't formed an opinion on it yet) but the responses to my comments from him and others will help me sort people.
That's not how a false dichotomy works, as evidenced by the fact that you managed to answer my second question while pretending you didn't.
Both of the statements you made about Axel were accusatory in tone, they didn't sound neutral to me at least. Do you think Axel is town or scum?
@B
Dunno man, being self involved isn't really a scum tell.
↑beeboy wrote:I mean you responded to my post where I called you scum before this so you already have... :/
so 106 wasnt meant as a response to 105? I have trouble believing that.
107 was a reply to 104 where I said I would vote you which is you responding to the post where I called you scum. I know it wasn't 100% direct but saying I am willing to vote couldn't mean anything other than I think you are scum.
109 was made in response to you saying that my difference in playstyle was because i was scum, and that's not even me getting started on your absurd 180 of your read on me when I got suspicious of your townread on me.
Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2016 6:30 pm
by Mirhawk
I suppose you could make the argument that its indicative of her being overly concerned about how she's being perceived, but I think that's probably common in paranoid players and PR's in addition to scum.
↑beeboy wrote:I mean you responded to my post where I called you scum before this so you already have... :/
so 106 wasnt meant as a response to 105? I have trouble believing that.
107 was a reply to 104 where I said I would vote you which is you responding to the post where I called you scum. I know it wasn't 100% direct but saying I am willing to vote couldn't mean anything other than I think you are scum.
109 was made in response to you saying that my difference in playstyle was because i was scum, and that's not even me getting started on your absurd 180 of your read on me when I got suspicious of your townread on me.
It is a RVS read what is surprising of it changing? It wasn't a very established read it was bound to change.
Although I have come to the realization that despite disagreeing with all your play as soon as I said I town read you it isn't necessarily scummy it is just not good town play. It is towny to discredit a town read on yourself in my opinion which makes me want to believe you are town, but I could also see this as an attempt at looking aggressive since I don't like your reason for discrediting it and how you discredited it which is scum. I want to sort more but since you aren't necessarily scum 1v1ing isn't how I want to do it.
UNVOTE: VOTE: Seniors
Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2016 6:37 pm
by beeboy
Everyone pile on Seniors!!!!
This evasive scum is op!
Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2016 6:42 pm
by beeboy
Seniors has been trying way to hard to avoid looking suspicious and doing things that won't stand out.
like srs this is obv scum.
Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2016 6:49 pm
by True Ogre
True Ogre exists.
Witholding vote for now, not convinced that major conversationalists contain scum.
However Seniors could certainly be scum with what they've said so far and I like beeboy for the push. So I'm conflicted as I don't really buy the Sakura-scum argument but will entertain it.
Like Wrong Lynch's posting quantity so far, but the quality is lukewarm. Also waiting to see more from nacho-hydra, although I like the question he did ask.
Axelrod also involved in hydra-discussion after some comments in 56, 61, 68 which appear quite defensive/elusive. Keeping an eye on.
Skybird, greetings to your ancestors. What do you think of davesaz' posting so far? I would like to compare impressions.
