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Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2016 8:19 am
by davesaz
Just had a VC but I don't get lots of pagetops.
Maruchan
(3): MURDERCAT, podoboq, SirCakez
SirCakez
(2): Smithereens, karnos
karnos
(2): PenguinPower, drmyshottyizsik
drmyshottyizsik
(1): DixC
Aneninen
(1): Maruchan
Ranger
(1): Aneninen
podoboq
(1): Chip Butty
Not Voting
(2): Ranger, Transcend
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
Deadline
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(expired on 2016-07-02 13:00:44)
Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2016 8:24 am
by podoboq
@
post 98
UNVOTE:
Those are all really damn good points, and more importantly, exactly the response I would expect from town. In my experience, scum tends to worry about showing that something got under their skin. Not so here.
Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2016 8:27 am
by MURDERCAT
Just something in the last 2.5 days would have been good Penguin so we know you still exist, that's all.
Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2016 8:28 am
by podoboq
In post 63, karnos wrote:Agree with the above, and...
SirCakez was scum in the original roll open 640. The *only* scum from 640 who made it into the re-roll. What are the chances that he pulled scum again?
VOTE: SirCakez
VOTE: karnos
I was waiting for something....else, but no, this is still it. There needs to be some pressure on karnos to make him actually participate, because this doesn't count.
Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2016 8:28 am
by drmyshottyizsik
VOTE: podo
n-0 guilty confirmed, his buddy is probably maruchan
Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2016 8:30 am
by MURDERCAT
I'm not sure if you are serious here but I actually believe this.
Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2016 8:30 am
by MURDERCAT
Maru if you are going to overreact like that to every post about you, you are going to be lynched.
Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2016 8:31 am
by drmyshottyizsik
I do too, anyway vote podo please.
Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2016 8:31 am
by MURDERCAT
I'm ok with that.
VOTE: Podo
Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2016 8:32 am
by MURDERCAT
Because the unvote was terrible, really looks like he was looking for a reason to take it off.
Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2016 8:33 am
by podoboq
OK, so first I'm accused of coaching shotty, then I'm accused of buddying Maru, because I'm trying to explain my reasoning for townreading that wall? Did I get that about right?
Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2016 8:34 am
by podoboq
In post 109, MURDERCAT wrote:Because the unvote was terrible, really looks like he was looking for a reason to take it off.
I voted Maru because I saw a nugget of scumminess, and wanted to see what the response to pressure would be. The response was towny. So I removed my vote.
Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2016 8:38 am
by PenguinPower
Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2016 8:40 am
by MURDERCAT
Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2016 8:55 am
by PenguinPower
Not ready to change my vote just yet, but that is a good point. I didn't get a townie feel from reading that WoT, and I wouldn't call them good points...
Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2016 8:56 am
by MURDERCAT
Mind explaining the Karnos read a bit more if you are sticking to it?
Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2016 9:08 am
by PenguinPower
Out of the more than 20 games I've played with him previously, he is only ever this quiet when he is scum. I'd like to hear from in before changing my vote.
Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2016 9:17 am
by MURDERCAT
On another site?
Also, are you an alt?
Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2016 9:20 am
by PenguinPower
Another site. Not an alt, he brought me over here.
Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2016 9:40 am
by MURDERCAT
Gotcha.
Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2016 9:41 am
by drmyshottyizsik
Penguin wanna waddle over to the podo wagon?
Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2016 9:57 am
by PenguinPower
Ninja Penguins don't waddle...we...sashay, sneakily.
And, I'm leaning over the fence to the point of falling, but I want to hear from karnos first.
Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2016 10:32 am
by Chip Butty
In post 98, Maruchan wrote:
2. Saying pointing out someone's good catch's is buddying. So we're all independently scummhunting here? there's no group cohesion?
Mod go ahead and close the topic, we don't need it anymore. We can scumhunt without the rest of these fools, on our own. That whole group-process to finding scum is overhyped apparently
(I guess I wasn't done with the sarcasm). Pointing out that you didn't notice something, that someone else did, and that you agree with it, encourages more content from them. It's a concept called positive reinforcement. Think of potty training a dog. I'll give three examples that are the most similar to ways I could have reacted to someone else posting good content. So, I have a new dog I'm trying to pottytrain. he goes pee in the house. Lets take option 1. Ignore it and not give positive or negative reinforcement. He has no lesson to learn one way or the other as I haven't given him a lesson. He continues to pee in the house. He pees outside. We take Option 1 again and not give a positive or negative reaction. He never gets pottytrained nad he keeps peeing inside and outside, both good and bad actions, and he never becomes a better dog. Skip to option 2. He pees inside. You scold him. You punish him. You've negatively reinforced the behavior. He goes pee outside, no reaction. He's confused. He knows you DON'T want him peeing inside, but doesn't know that you DO want him peeing outside. Maybe he thinks he just cant pee in that room, and he tries another room, still a bad action. eventually by process of elimination, he will learn that the only thing that is not negatively-reinforced is the outside. the one good option. this takes forever. Skip to option 3. He goes pee inside. You do nothing. he doesn't stop peeing inside, no lesson learned. he pees outside. you give him a treat. he goes ecstatic over that treat and wants to learn how to get more. he goes pee inside again and gets no treat. he gets a treat when he goes pee outside. OH SHIT. He's just learned the quickest way to get treats is to pee outside, and he IMMEDIATELY ceases peeing inside, because he wants fuckin treats yo! You've just pottytraiend your dog.
of coruse the most efficient way is to combine postive and negative reinforcement to back each other up, BUT IF YO UCOULD ONLY postive OR ignore OR negative, the best thign is to positive.
same thing to player participation in a game. You keep telling them they are doing the right thing, you appreciate their efforts, you want them to continue trying, you'll get good engaged, players who actively try to scumhunt.
you just keep telling them when they are wrong, they get apathetic, they lurkmoar, they proddodge, they resent you, the game stagnantes.
I think telling someone they made a Good!Post, is the best option here yeah? Not buddying. Encouraging pro-town behavior.
Sooooooo....you're saying I am like a puppy you are training? Maybe you can train me to salivate when you ring a bell.
More seriously, this does look like an overreaction to me. I mean, a whole rant about puppy training just because I pointed out an over-the-top endorsement of a point I made? Are you Cesar Millan?
Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2016 10:49 am
by drmyshottyizsik
In post 121, PenguinPower wrote:
Ninja Penguins don't waddle...we...sashay, sneakily.
And, I'm leaning over the fence to the point of falling, but I want to hear from karnos first.
You jump over water?
Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2016 11:12 am
by PenguinPower