NY 196 Mafia Thread

[Mirhawk]

Can docs protect themselves? I was always under the impression that they couldn't. Also if there's no kill it could be attributed to whoever the backup doctor is instead of me or to a50 jailing the killer. Which would also be bad if he says he jailed you.

[Airick10]

Re-reading.. I agree with A50 that Podo is 99% nurse. Can he protect someone tonight or does he turn into a doctor the next day? I'd be interested to see him actually come out in D3 if he doesn't have a night action now and we can shoot him then. Podo does state in 4666 that he still thinks Mirhawk is town. What a strange thing to say if Podo is a nurse...?

I'm still eyeing that Dunn/Titus/Zach group. I'm starting to think killing Titus will cause a bit more of an uproar between wake/podo vs dunn/zach.

Thoughts on this. Finding a cop is priority 1.

So the Cop in in the following group:

AGar, kraska, Transcend, Peregrine & implosion.

PV - Dead
Transcend - No, because I highly doubt a cop would hammer like that. The town is going to come after him.
AGar - Quite possibly... Lurks enough to be a cop.
Kraska - Definitely possible. She hasn't claimed for a reason. I still think the town is upset at her for not claiming, will that continue? I'm thinking on this as my Jail choice.
Implosion - I think is a little too analytical to be a cop. Making cases instead of simply reading. Eh, could be wrong.

I'm leaning Titus (disrupt the dunn/titus/zach faction), podo (now the doc), or AGar/Kraska as cop possibilities.

And no, not my final answer. Just rambling...

[Airick10]

You're right Mirhawk. As I said before, that proposal I gave was really dumb idea.

I also think before we decide to brainstorm on a defense for Mirhawk. I don't think the town will come after him with torches and pitchforks right away, but he'd better of a defense ready to go.

[Almost50]

A50 - I didn't notice any slips from Wake. How do you know he's the PGO?

He said it loud an d clear "my utility will kill scum if they try to kill me" or something along those lines.

Also, you cannot target yourself. And a no kill gambit is not what I would suggest under the circumstances.

I'm against killing Zach for now. He's my greatest supporter and probably the only reason why I'm not being force wagoned still. I'm looking for a kill that doesn't lose us the support of any of our main protectors (those of the town who are against the lynch of either of us) and -at the same time- doesn't give much to the town in terms of more info.

[Almost50]

Personally I will vote Mirhawk as soon as I'm on. Unless -of course- there is a counter case being presented already. I'm playing the fool here most of the time. Titus is an alright choice for the NK too. I suspect if podo is the doctor he might opt NOT to protect a claimed VT.

[Mirhawk]

How about AGar then? He's a scrooge with his townreads as far as I can tell. Also I think there's decent chances of him being a PR.

My defense is going to be that I think the game was purposefully designed with lots of protectives, hence the plethora of backups.

Titus might be good too. She claimed VT, but she's moderately dangerous and more importantly I'm thinking it would be a good idea to cut the Dunn/Zach/Titus triangle down to a more manageable size before the game gets small enough that they have as much power as we do. That's actually why I suggested Zach in the first place.

We could crush out Dunn, but that would probably only make me look more suspicious.

Yeah I wouldn't target Wake. He's probably full of shit with the PGA claim, as if he really was one he SHOULD have announced it at the beginning of the game to avoid killing a protown role. But then again he might not be. His reads suck anyways.

[Airick10]

I'm looking for a kill that doesn't lose us the support of any of our main protectors (those of the town who are against the lynch of either of us) and -at the same time- doesn't give much to the town in terms of more info.

Well from what I've seen, I don't think I have anyone who really thinks I'm scummy. Boem, implosion, and maybe Agar may have me as null or questionable. Zach maybe too. I think I'm reading good in everyone else's eyes.

Yeah we can hold off from Zach. I think a NK comes down to Titus, Podo, or Agar. I'm leaning on Titus because I think it's good to break up that trio. But at the same time, it's hard to pass on a doc (podo). I'm going to jail kraska

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A50 - I was going to do the exact same thing. Vote Mirhawk right away. One vote I think is fine... two? I'm not so sure.

Mir, it's going to be asked why you aren't dead and you're going to be asked who you protected last night. Obviously, A50 feel free to claim the Jail action on Kraska if you wish. Mir, do you suspect AGar is a cop/investigator?

[Mirhawk]

It's not so much that I think he's a investigator as I would not be surprised at all if he was. Initially right after my claim I was thinking that if someone was going to CC me it was going to be either him or PV. His demeanor strikes me as cagey. He's obviously paying attention and reading the game, but is kinda lurky and absent.

I was thinking of saying I protected Podo as he's softing a PR of some sort. Fifty could also be a choice, but I was calling his claim fake yesterday so I'm thinking maybe not. There's a couple other choices and nobody is super valuable to town so I don't know if it matters too much who I pick.

I think Titus is a good choice. That three man block will be a pain later if we let it be.

Fifty, you might see if you can hold off on claiming your block right away (or at least until after Dunn has posted). If Dunn claims to have shot me I'll need some reason to not be dead. You were kinda doubting my claim so you could claim to have JK me. If someone presses you you should immediately tell them (someone other then me) though as you don't want to actually look like you're trying to hold out.

Fifty going for me out of the gate is fine, I don't know if you both should though. Regardless of plans I don't think it terribly likely I can make another day. If you think its going bad and you see an organic looking way to get on my wagon you should absolutely grab that towncred.

[Mirhawk]

Hrm I don't think I called your claim fake on second thought. But I'm pretty sure I cast doubt on it in some way.

[Almost50]

@Airick:

If we both do it (vote Mirhawk early) we're unlikely to be scum together for the rest of the game, I think.

@Mirhawk:

Yeah, noted (about my target claim).

Now let's see .. I'll shoot Titus. That keeps the arch-rivalry of Dunn vs Zach going so pushing on anyone would still be a pain for the town regardless. I'm holding off on AGar bc he is still in lynchbait status .. kind of.

So,

Mirhawk Cummutes
Almost Shoots Titus
Airick Jails kraska

If you agree, please copy and bold.

[Mirhawk]

I'm good with all of that.

[Almost50]

OK then.

Mirhawk Cummutes
Almost Shoots Titus
Airick Jails kraska

[Airick10]

Jail Kraska

In case GIF needs me to confirm. I'll vote Mirhawk right away too. Hopefully it doesn't lead to s fast lynch.

[GuyInFreezer]

OK then.

Mirhawk Cummutes
Almost Shoots Titus
Airick Jails kraska

All righty.

[Almost50]

I think I will have to claim I JK'd Mirhawk now, but I'll pretend I didn't see it until I login the next time.

[Mirhawk]

Yeah I got the feeling like Dunn's waiting to see what you say.

[Mirhawk]

Oh my god I'm such an idiot. I knew I should have just gone to bed.

Sorry guys.

[Mirhawk]

Fifty looking super town from this is a nice bonus, but I still can't believe I did that.

[Mirhawk]

Dunn I'd going to say he shot me. You can play his two ways, either you targeted me because you wanted to block scum or you targeted someone else and wait for my commuter flip to clear you.

I think Dunn is going to call you scum if you say you blocked me since he used the term protect instead of block.

I'm going to bed now guys, good luck.

[Mirhawk]

Dunn is*

I mean it's possible he's talking about someone else and the other doc caught it, but that's unlikely.

[Almost50]

OK. since you're caught anyway I'm calling it right: I jailed kraska >> covers me AND Airick.

You, no worries, mate. You did good. I appreciate the sudden thrust up to my global town read. Now I need to try and use that to boost Airick's status too. Like, claiming I jailed him on N3 when someone actually dies.

Goodnight, my friend. Sweet dreams.

[Airick10]

Really? I slept through D3 completely? That's absurd.

Umm, well I was going to vote Mirhawk but didn't get a chance to. As far as night actions, I'm not sure yet. I need to read through D3 a bit.

[Almost50]

(Macho) podoboq is the obvious NK choice for me. I'm going to enjoy seeing Dunn locking horns with Zach, but you -sir- need to be a whole lot more active with not much fence sitting.

The JK target is one of AGar, implosion or kraska again. I'll probably claim I jailed beeboy though. If you manage to block an action they're going to assume a scum RB.

[Airick10]

Agreed with podo. That's pretty simple. We didn't hear from AGar yesterday either... If he's a cop, he'll have info on two ppl. I don't recall Kraska spilling anything on her role. That being said, I'm leaning on AGar to jail.

You're right on being active. It's a very bad message on my part not have been able to post throughout D3. I would have definitely wanted to vote Mirhawk. I've been considering claiming cop if things get too hot. The town seems to believe anything as long as you don't slip up.

If you say you RB beeboy won't the town ask why? He's claimed Miller so what's the point outside of protecting?

[Almost50]

Because I think he is scum and the shenanigans he did today (insisting on believing Mirhawk was a Doc) would be enough justification.