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Post Post #100 (ISO) » Thu Jan 03, 2008 9:55 am

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Interesting point...not really sure if i agree, but..didn't really think of it that way before.
Also, I am amused that you talk in the 3rd person randomly.


I still don't really get how voting someone to clear up confusion about a name isn't really a random vote at the base of it. I mean, that can't be serious logic. Also, you yourself said it was a crappy reason for a lynch. So, your vote is still there...why?
So, it still does seem a little suspicious on your part.

ryanjunk: why just an FoS, rather than a vote?
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Post Post #101 (ISO) » Thu Jan 03, 2008 10:16 am

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Peers has been known to speak in the first person when divulging information about himself; it helps him look at the information more objectively, and if something would make him look bad, he'll shut the hell up about it. Meta: If Peers is speaking in teh third person, he probably really means what he's saying (Witness other games where he says "You do not want to lynch Peers" or "Peers may be Mafia, but you, sir, are Wolf!")

And as I've said, it's not 'confusion about the name' so much as it is "He said it was his name first, but it wasn't, and he tried to start something about it".
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Post Post #102 (ISO) » Thu Jan 03, 2008 10:22 am

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Vote: Peers


It doesn't matter who's name was first. Whether it be first born with the name or first registered on the site with the name. It's not worth sitting here and debating. I started discussion with it, not "let's lynch him" I don't know what angle Peers is trying to pull but I'm fine with some pressure on him
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Post Post #103 (ISO) » Thu Jan 03, 2008 10:41 am

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I don't really think he tried to start anything with the whole thing Peers. You seemed to be the driving force behind that whole argument.
I put the "laughter" in manslaughter.
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Post Post #104 (ISO) » Thu Jan 03, 2008 2:08 pm

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Peers wrote:But take note that Peers did not start either of the arguments he was in. That's rather like saying "You've been mugged twice this week? Well, you must be involved in something that makes you a target..."

Which, granted, I _could_ be a know drug dealer and I'm targeted for mugging because I've got cash and dope on me... but, y'know, odds are that I'm not.
It's hard to say whether you started them.. you were attacked for things that you were doing.. the point is more so that you continued them very strangely. To try to justify your vote against Ryan as non-random is the main reason I'm voting you. It's like saying "We have a valid reason to get rid of this person! it doesn't matter that there's just as equal a chance as anyone else in this game that they're scum, let's just get rid of this person to stop the confusion, and continue on tomorrow!"

I'm not saying that's what you said, just that that's what it translated to in my head, and that seems really scummy to me. I don't understand how the odds are on you that you're not scum, when you're doing suspicious things.
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Still missing a fair portion of the town it seems, atleast their thoughts.
Anyways I'm just wondering, for those who are talking but not voting for Peers, are you just waiting for other people to speak up before doing anything, or do you not find Peers suspicious anyone else seem suspicious?
ZeekLTK wrote:Considering everything that's happened, I'm content with my vote on Peers.

It seems like he does have more information than he should at this point, which most likely means he's mafia.
Zeek I'm just curious what you meant by that?
liamcool wrote:I bet Escape and/or Delete is a mafia member (should Escape and/or Delete be in this game).

I very highly doubt that K has something to do with a post restriction, I'm thinking it's something more along the lines of protecting people or blocking people or something like that, but I don't know.
liamcool, that would be the only one relavant post to the game you seem to have made so far.. just wondering what your thoughts are.
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Post Post #105 (ISO) » Thu Jan 03, 2008 3:47 pm

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Medicated Lain wrote:Anyways I'm just wondering, for those who are talking but not voting for Peers, are you just waiting for other people to speak up before doing anything, or do you not find Peers suspicious anyone else seem suspicious?

It's kind of a combo for me..I do like to see what other people think, but that doesn't necessarily make or break my vote. Also, I just ask questions usually before I vote, and I'm not sure how I feel on him with his answers. Hence, no vote.

Personally, it's tough as far as people seeming suspicious right now, since there hasn't been a whole lot going on. I plan to read through a couple times to see if I notice anything yet, but I can't promise that will yield any results or questions on my part.

Also, why did you unvote?
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Post Post #106 (ISO) » Thu Jan 03, 2008 4:32 pm

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Because someone placed a fourth vote on, same thing as before, I just don't want people to jump on and kill, you know that whole mob mentality thing.. Well the lynching spirit certainly is fun, there's just not enough people talking at the moment.
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Post Post #107 (ISO) » Thu Jan 03, 2008 4:34 pm

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But, if people just jump on, that would mean they are scum. Isn't that desirable?
I put the "laughter" in manslaughter.
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Post Post #108 (ISO) » Thu Jan 03, 2008 5:17 pm

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Medicated Lain wrote:
ZeekLTK wrote:Considering everything that's happened, I'm content with my vote on Peers.

It seems like he does have more information than he should at this point, which most likely means he's mafia.
Zeek I'm just curious what you meant by that?
Look at some of his posts:
Peers wrote:Guys, we had a night phase. There's no reason to be random voting.
We had a night phase - but nothing happened (for me at least), so what is there to go by other than the random voting stage that games normally start with?

What is this comment even suppose to mean? It seems like something happened for Peers, or that he at least has some kind of information that he feels he doesn't need to randomly vote with (although I still fail to see how a vote for someone because they have the same name is anything but random).
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ryan wrote:And that's a good reason to vote somebody? That's the same thing as random voting Peers. There's no reason to say that junk is anymore town than I am, unless of course you know who's town and who's not because you are indeed mafia.
Yes, because the obvious way of looking at it is that I'm mafia. I should be lynched right away. Unless, of course, I'm not mafia. I could have an investigation power. Or, y'know, I could just have a hunch. Hunches are allowed, right? And they're not random.
This one Peers basically admits that he knows something we don't. And then he tries to backtrack saying he has a "hunch" (this is not consistent with ANYTHING he's said previously or afterwards though).

So either he's the WORST COP EVER (for revealing himself on DAY 1 - especially *without* revealing any investigations!) or he's mafia. Odds are higher that he's mafia.

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ryan wrote:Also for you to vote me AND bring up that you could have an investigative power is completely uncalled for. If you were a cop, you just basically outed yourself and if you aren't the cop, you're basically saying you investigated me and found scum (which you didn't since I'm not) Why are you trying to sway the game to follow you so early Peers?
Wow... and I thought I tended to overreact.

So, when someone says "The only way you could have info on who is and isn't scum is if you're mafia", it's completely uncalled for for me to point out that you're wrong, there's other ways for me to have info... or I might not have info at all? Wow. How do I defend myself against a charge that I didn't need to defend myself?

And, tell me, ryan... where did I try to sway the game to follow me? I made a vote and gave a reason for it. You attacked me. I defended myself. No 'swaying' involved. I didn't even try to get other people to vote for you. I notice you didn't attack the other person voting for you. Just me. Why is that? You're not scumbuddies trying to lure someone into a trap, are you?

MOD: Fixed tags.
This one, in the paragraph that starts with "So", he again basically admits that he has information ("there's other ways for me to have info"). He says (this is my summary) "yeah I have info but just because I do that doesn't automatically make me mafia, I could be a cop".

Again this is HORRIBLE if he really is the cop. So chances are he's NOT the cop. Again, if he's not the cop, and he has info, well, most likely he's mafia.

Again, like the "hunch" statement, at the end he throws in something saying "or I might not", but why would you go to all that trouble (and make multiple posts about it) to explain how you could possibly have info if you don't actually have any info?!?
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Post Post #109 (ISO) » Thu Jan 03, 2008 5:57 pm

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ZeekLTK wrote:
Again, like the "hunch" statement, at the end he throws in something saying "or I might not", but why would you go to all that trouble (and make multiple posts about it) to explain how you could possibly have info if you don't actually have any info?!?
To bluff us out to make us think he has info when he really doesn't, due to the mafia not doing shit during the night phase? (although, I suppose they might have done something, and we just don't know that yet). I don't see the point in that, it only serves to confuse, but that might be his purpose.
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Post Post #110 (ISO) » Fri Jan 04, 2008 5:37 am

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ZeekLTK wrote:
Medicated Lain wrote:
ZeekLTK wrote:Considering everything that's happened, I'm content with my vote on Peers.

It seems like he does have more information than he should at this point, which most likely means he's mafia.
Zeek I'm just curious what you meant by that?
Look at some of his posts:
Peers wrote:Guys, we had a night phase. There's no reason to be random voting.
We had a night phase - but nothing happened (for me at least), so what is there to go by other than the random voting stage that games normally start with?

What is this comment even suppose to mean? It seems like something happened for Peers, or that he at least has some kind of information that he feels he doesn't need to randomly vote with (although I still fail to see how a vote for someone because they have the same name is anything but random).
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ryan wrote:And that's a good reason to vote somebody? That's the same thing as random voting Peers. There's no reason to say that junk is anymore town than I am, unless of course you know who's town and who's not because you are indeed mafia.
Yes, because the obvious way of looking at it is that I'm mafia. I should be lynched right away. Unless, of course, I'm not mafia. I could have an investigation power. Or, y'know, I could just have a hunch. Hunches are allowed, right? And they're not random.
This one Peers basically admits that he knows something we don't. And then he tries to backtrack saying he has a "hunch" (this is not consistent with ANYTHING he's said previously or afterwards though).

So either he's the WORST COP EVER (for revealing himself on DAY 1 - especially *without* revealing any investigations!) or he's mafia. Odds are higher that he's mafia.

Peers wrote:
ryan wrote:Also for you to vote me AND bring up that you could have an investigative power is completely uncalled for. If you were a cop, you just basically outed yourself and if you aren't the cop, you're basically saying you investigated me and found scum (which you didn't since I'm not) Why are you trying to sway the game to follow you so early Peers?
Wow... and I thought I tended to overreact.

So, when someone says "The only way you could have info on who is and isn't scum is if you're mafia", it's completely uncalled for for me to point out that you're wrong, there's other ways for me to have info... or I might not have info at all? Wow. How do I defend myself against a charge that I didn't need to defend myself?

And, tell me, ryan... where did I try to sway the game to follow me? I made a vote and gave a reason for it. You attacked me. I defended myself. No 'swaying' involved. I didn't even try to get other people to vote for you. I notice you didn't attack the other person voting for you. Just me. Why is that? You're not scumbuddies trying to lure someone into a trap, are you?

MOD: Fixed tags.
This one, in the paragraph that starts with "So", he again basically admits that he has information ("there's other ways for me to have info"). He says (this is my summary) "yeah I have info but just because I do that doesn't automatically make me mafia, I could be a cop".

Again this is HORRIBLE if he really is the cop. So chances are he's NOT the cop. Again, if he's not the cop, and he has info, well, most likely he's mafia.

Again, like the "hunch" statement, at the end he throws in something saying "or I might not", but why would you go to all that trouble (and make multiple posts about it) to explain how you could possibly have info if you don't actually have any info?!?
imo, i'd vote for him even if he was cop seeing as how bad he's doing seems to be a major liuability for the town.

(i know i haven't been very active, but i haven't really had much to say- was in another game fairly recently that was pretty much jsut argument all D1 rather than real discussion and it's hard to make much info from it)
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Post Post #111 (ISO) » Fri Jan 04, 2008 6:24 am

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edion0: You'd vote him EVEN if he was the cop? Huh?
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Post Post #112 (ISO) » Fri Jan 04, 2008 7:54 am

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Those posts didn't stand out to me so much at first. However, if it's true... well.. something clicked in my head, but I'd rather not say unless I hear something from Peers. *conspiracy theororist desu*
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Post Post #113 (ISO) » Fri Jan 04, 2008 7:57 am

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edion0 wrote:imo, i'd vote for him even if he was cop
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Dude, seriously, major-league stupid thing to say.
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Post Post #114 (ISO) » Fri Jan 04, 2008 8:04 am

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Well, edion used a k, but with the quote above by Peers I think my vote is going to stick.

ML: Peers and ryan had a big argument in the first part of this game, so this generally does 2 things:

1. Means nothing much of anything, as it is only two people arguing a null point.
2. Detracts from other conversation starters.

Therefore, I don't find Peers so much scummy as pitbullish. He latches on and doesn't let go for a while.
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Post Post #115 (ISO) » Fri Jan 04, 2008 8:30 am

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Well, edion used a k
erm...no he didn't...
Peers wrote:
edion0 wrote:imo, i'd vote for him even if he was cop
Dude, seriously, major-league stupid thing to say.
I agree, it's a stupid thing to say. I'm not convinced it's an indication that he's scum though...
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Post Post #116 (ISO) » Fri Jan 04, 2008 8:31 am

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OK, turns out I can't read. Obviously "know" has a k in it...
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Post Post #117 (ISO) » Fri Jan 04, 2008 8:33 am

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I had to read through it twice before noticing that.
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Post Post #118 (ISO) » Fri Jan 04, 2008 8:44 am

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Yeah, I don't think it was so much a serious post by edion. Seems to me more like a post of exasperation that we would have a stupid cop.
I put the "laughter" in manslaughter.
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Post Post #119 (ISO) » Fri Jan 04, 2008 9:15 am

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kabenon007 wrote:Yeah, I don't think it was so much a serious post by edion. Seems to me more like a post of exasperation that we would have a stupid cop.
But why even bring up the cop role?
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Post Post #120 (ISO) » Fri Jan 04, 2008 10:32 am

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What do you mean, ryan?
I put the "laughter" in manslaughter.
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Post Post #121 (ISO) » Fri Jan 04, 2008 11:05 pm

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Think it's time to drop the "k" idea...pretty evident by now that nobody's got that post restriction.

Edion0 wants the potential cop voted out? Really?

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Post Post #122 (ISO) » Sat Jan 05, 2008 11:38 am

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I think it was kind of a dumb thing to say for edion, but I can't really see how it would make sense as something to say. I mean scum definitely want to kill cops, but you'd think they'd try to be quiet about it. Then again, I'm getting a bit WIFOM here so...

I think we have someone saying something dumb, and someone else jumping on it to distract attention from themselves.
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Post Post #123 (ISO) » Sat Jan 05, 2008 7:01 pm

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like i said, it's my opinion that
if
he's a cop, then he's doing such a poor job at it that he's become a liability to the town. would i like to kill the cop in general? not no, but hell no. that said, i know i'm just digging myself deeper w/ some of you, but i stand by my opinions and will not explain myself any further on the matter.

going to go do a read through of the posts to see if there's anything in particular to note besides the argument over the ryan's...
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Post Post #124 (ISO) » Sun Jan 06, 2008 7:59 am

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Heh. I love the logic some people use.

"You know something! OMG, you must be Mafia!"

"Or a cop, or I could just be taking a guess."

"OMG, you must be a cop!"

"... yeah, that's it, 'cause there's no third option..."
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