So what did his response tell you?In post 98, SIV36 wrote:The main thing that I saw (or maybe it's confirmation bias) was that Reed seems to protect clock a lot. I wondered by putting clock at L-2, if Reed would respond again similarly.
Well, he didn't directly ask me to not vote clock work. But:In post 100, LlamaFluff wrote:So what did his response tell you?In post 98, SIV36 wrote:The main thing that I saw (or maybe it's confirmation bias) was that Reed seems to protect clock a lot. I wondered by putting clock at L-2, if Reed would respond again similarly.
If I were to get clockwork lynched, why is he so weirdly trying to convince us that it's going to be a mislynch? If he doesn't really know the alignment of clockwork, then why is there no indication present that clockworkIn post 97, JaeReed wrote: [...]
3) To attempt to chain mislynches by going after the associate tell then being able to say "oh but Jae is still scummy independently of that"
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3, eh maybe? But I don't have any level of confidence in that at all. Like I think as scum he would find it much easier to go after me there than to push clockwork?
Hard to explain.In post 98, SIV36 wrote:If you OMGUS-respond to me scum-reading you when you're town, how do you respond scum-reads on you if you're mafia?
Er, you expressed a scumread on me yet didn't vote me over the assumed partner for me.In post 99, SIV36 wrote:Notice how I'm voting clockwork, and yet Reed responds as though I puthimat L-2. I definitely got him acting a little unnerved. In my mind, it's either he really really has a confirmed town-read on clockwork, or if he's town, he shouldn't really care as much that clockwork is the one getting the pressure.
i wouldn't take people thinking you're scum as indication that you're not very good. i think you've been doing fine. people are going to think you're scum from time to time. if you're not and a lot of people seem to think so, there's a decent chance at least one person that is reading you as scum is scum themselves. i'd also suggest you don't remain deadset in any of your views. if you absolutely think someone must be scum, try to see why others don't think so. maybe they're on to something. alternatively, try to see if there are any hints as to who their scum partner might beIn post 81, clockworkgirl wrote:It seems a lot of people are suspecting me of being mafia. I'm not and if you got that impression all I can say in my defence is that it's my first time playing and I don't seem to be particularly good at the game. If you have any questions to ask I'd be happy to answer
i agree with this. i don't think i4f's vote on an inactive is AI, but i could still see him being scum. he's being weird but i'm worried that's just playstyle. it'd be cool not to start off the game with a mislynchIn post 82, In4Fun wrote:I think if you don't start applying pressure on someone who posts rarely in the beginning, they won't pick up the speed in time and be less of a help if he can't get up to speed when we really need them, in the later game or as soon as late Day 1.In post 78, Yooh wrote:Yes, we want it, but faster is always better. Why would you push a content from someone who post once every 2 day rather than someone who post 10 times every day, especially in RVS? The quality of post is also matter, though.
to me, it read as if he's really trying to find information in interactions, which is part of what everyone should be doing. i think it's a lot more likely to be offbase than disingenuous, especially considering how often he's changed his mind. do you think he was being equally disingenuous about everyone else he had suspicions for previously? how would you have read the reactions of those players if they had reacted as you are now?In post 95, JaeReed wrote:My god it is so hard to not just omgus SIV rn tbh.
Like, especially finding the whole thing about my interactions regarding clockwork to be disingenuous when I was clearly trying to do a reread and get my head into the game.
in theory i like this hesitation. jaereed is displaying a good amount of self awareness. at this point i could see it being either town trying to improve their play or nervous scum thinking someone might know his meta and expect an OMGUS retaliation from town!jaereed. this is something i've personally done before as scum- been afraid people would notice a difference in my behavior so i have to call it out myself before anyone else canIn post 95, JaeReed wrote: But I'm also painfully aware of how prone i am to omgus and wanting to break away from that style of play because more often than not I'm going to be voting town with legitimate suspicions and that doesn't help work towards a cohesive town.
.....but my god do I want to Q_Q
i don't really have a lot of faith in WIFOM statements like theseIn post 106, JaeReed wrote: If I were mafia with clock I wouldn't be voting her rn tbh. I don't bus.
SIV36 made a defence which I'd expect any competent town or mafia player to make. Previously I would have said it didn't move me one way or the other. Now, I'd like to highlight him saying that changing his mind was because it was early and he had no strong opinions. Then in recent posts he says I'm town, says he's narrowed the mafia players down to three, then changes his mind back and decides I'm mafia with Jaereed based on flimsy evidence. Even looking at it unbiased (ignoring the fact I know I'm town) doesn't make much sense and it strikes me that SIV36 is trying to push me as mafia solely because I'm the one under the most suspicion right now.In post 87, Yooh wrote:Can you tell me your opinion about Siv's #51 post?In post 81, clockworkgirl wrote:SIV36 I haven't seen anything that's changed my mind but I've not seen anything to increase my suspicions either. He's still the player I consider scummiest.
Not for me. JaeReed can go as town "why you use me/her instead other?" alsoIn post 91, SIV36 wrote:Does the interactions between JaeReed and Clockworkgirl ping other people's scum-detectors?
This is scary imo. You're like saying "I'm gonna keep both of them to LyLo", but I think it is too far from there. I might be too oversee you because I read one of your scum game. I don't think scum would do that, tho.In post 108, guyy wrote:at the moment, i think siv seems pretty town as well. i'm not seeing what others are seeing in either clockwork or siv. i think it's pretty likely the scum team lies outside of these two, but i'm not 100% on that yet. for day 1, though, i'd personally like to focus elsewhere. siv at the very least has been providing content, so we'll have a lot of useful information whether he flips town or scum. also, generally, imo willingness to change your mind in town is scary to scum, especially in lylo. it's useful for scum to keep around players who are more stubborn and set in their erroneous reads
I think that was Jaereed who said Llama plays passively, but you voted her while she made good point. Can you elaborate this? How can Jaereed-scum made a good point? I don't get how Llama trying to lay low while he is giving the most qualified posts.In post 108, guyy wrote:llama's being helpful and producing a lot of content from everyone through asking questions, so i'd like to have him around. but i don't think he's done anything specifically that points to him being town. i think the points other people have made about him trying to lay low while producing a lot of content (ie. not sticking his neck out) are good points. maybe slight scum lean, but i'd rather not lynch a helpful IC day 1, haha
Are you saying I'm doing as little scum-hunting as possible? How have I delayed the game?In post 82, In4Fun wrote:
It's about SIV trying to delaying the process, trying to make sure town do as little scumhunting as possible. My vote stays on SIV.
Would you have never voted clock now knowing this?In post 115, SIV36 wrote:I didn't even notice JaeReed actually voted clockwork, I feel pretty stupid.
I'm not really catching the details. I thought JaeReed had a reason to vote (when I posted I feel stupid comment), now just realized it was because the RVS vote, but Reed had somewhat of a point that he could have just unvoted clockwork. I probably would have done something or thought something different if I had of caught that.In post 116, LlamaFluff wrote:Would you have never voted clock now knowing this?In post 115, SIV36 wrote:I didn't even notice JaeReed actually voted clockwork, I feel pretty stupid.
Not being in the game, regardless of my alignment.In post 117, SIV36 wrote:I mean, it slipped my mind that JaeReed did the RVS vote.
Also, I did a paraphrase jot-note list of what JaeReed has done this game (in notepad but it didn't save). What I noticed is his reads are mostly apathetic, prod-dodging, being apologetic, and just all over picking people and making up reads...... not being focused. (I'm all over the place too, but I'mtoofocused; it's different) I don't know if it's NAI and him being not too much 'into' the game, or if it's because he's mafia.
Those scenarios were a "if SIV is scum pushing clockwork based off associative tells with me" thing. I think I did float the idea of you and clockwork being partners in that as well? The main thing is trying to think through what you would get out of that as mafia and whether it's more likely to just be a town push to see if you can get something out of it in a slow game.In post 101, SIV36 wrote:If I were to get clockwork lynched, why is he so weirdly trying to convince us that it's going to be a mislynch? If he doesn't really know the alignment of clockwork, then why is there no indication present that clockwork could be scum from his perspective?
It's just bugging me that I have a JaeReed!Town in my head saying very very different things. Like, "If clockwork does end up being scum then...", or something like tuber who was like "I have no idea what you're going on about". But this JaeReed!unknown seems off to me responding to my accusation as "I just want to explain to all the players that I feel this OMGUS thing whenever people try to say I'm mafia."
Ya know what else peeked me out,In post 119, JaeReed wrote:Not being in the game, regardless of my alignment.In post 117, SIV36 wrote:I mean, it slipped my mind that JaeReed did the RVS vote.
Also, I did a paraphrase jot-note list of what JaeReed has done this game (in notepad but it didn't save). What I noticed is his reads are mostly apathetic, prod-dodging, being apologetic, and just all over picking people and making up reads...... not being focused. (I'm all over the place too, but I'mtoofocused; it's different) I don't know if it's NAI and him being not too much 'into' the game, or if it's because he's mafia.
I do think that there was a legitimate point you could have picked on there in that I should have unvoted clockwork if you felt as though I was hard townreading her, because from your pov if I was hard townreading clockwork via my actions then why would I be vote parking on her and encouraging apathy in the game? I honestly haven't been townreading her which is why I haven't bothered to move my vote, but I do think there was a legitimate thing you could have hunted me on there. Not so much now since I just answered, so it's a matter of whether you believe that I don't have a good read on her or not.
I'll try again to get into this game.
Do think SIV is most likely town.
Now, probably you mentioned in game that you were going to participate, and clockwork was meaning that she noticed you being inconsistent and lying in game. However, that's a really weird way of scum reading you, and was wondering if it was a very blatant, yet still cryptic way of prodding you to say something in your guy's mafia chat.In post 45, clockworkgirl wrote:
@Jareed: You said you'd be free to post yesterday but you didn't. When exactly are you going to be able to participate?
If guyy is scum then don't think it's with clockwork at the very least. In a guyy scum world this is the start of pocketing, I think. While an in-thread reach out to a partner IS possible I think it generally happens with more leading questions to give a direction.In post 108, guyy wrote:i won't quote the whole thing, but i like clockwork's post 81. it reads as genuine. i currently do not think she is scum, so her views are really useful at this point
i wouldn't take people thinking you're scum as indication that you're not very good. i think you've been doing fine. people are going to think you're scum from time to time. if you're not and a lot of people seem to think so, there's a decent chance at least one person that is reading you as scum is scum themselves. i'd also suggest you don't remain deadset in any of your views. if you absolutely think someone must be scum, try to see why others don't think so. maybe they're on to something. alternatively, try to see if there are any hints as to who their scum partner might beIn post 81, clockworkgirl wrote:It seems a lot of people are suspecting me of being mafia. I'm not and if you got that impression all I can say in my defence is that it's my first time playing and I don't seem to be particularly good at the game. If you have any questions to ask I'd be happy to answer
So I just went back because I completely forgot about the whole maf pt being open for 48 hours. That would have been closed like a day before I posted saying I'd catch up "tomorrow" or something, then two days after that was when clockwork prodded me because I didn't post any thoughts despite saying I would.In post 122, SIV36 wrote:Ya know what else peeked me out,
Mafia chat had to stay open for a couple more days. Then, sometime after those couple days were over, clockwork came at you with this:Now, probably you mentioned in game that you were going to participate, and clockwork was meaning that she noticed you being inconsistent and lying in game. However, that's a really weird way of scum reading you, and was wondering if it was a very blatant, yet still cryptic way of prodding you to say something in your guy's mafia chat.In post 45, clockworkgirl wrote:
@Jareed: You said you'd be free to post yesterday but you didn't. When exactly are you going to be able to participate?
I'm probably wrong about that too though, because that would be very risky to just say that in game. Depending on how serious she was in getting input in that chat if applicable.