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In post 87, Gamma Emerald wrote:Flip the idea: you could discern scum by finding that your action failed.

Well, yes.
*I* could.

The town could not.

so mastina do you have a plan for using your gladiate or what?

also are you trying to convince you should not be seen as town for the way you claimed to others? like how is that the most important thing for you right now?

~Sora

In post 72, jjh927 wrote:But it's not paranoia if there are people who are actually out to get you

Hence you need to be paranoid of everyone who is an unknown.

p-edit: you still haven't answered my question @mastina

And btw I can see the flavor that was claimed being 100% legit

In post 90, Gamma Emerald wrote:PEdit: true jjh, if it fails it’s mastina’s word against the target’s.

Also.
Statistically speaking.
I am more likely to hit town than hit scum, ESPECIALLY as this is basically a vig, so.
Fuck that shit.
I hate rolling vig-type roles, and this as it determines a lynch is basically the ultimate vig-type role.

In post 102, NicoRobin wrote:

In post 72, jjh927 wrote:But it's not paranoia if there are people who are actually out to get you

Hence you need to be paranoid of everyone who is an unknown.

p-edit: you still haven't answered my question @mastina

That's not paranoia though

That's scepticism

So you’re not gonna use it ever, okay
Tbh probably better to just claim the hated and leave the rest of your role unknown

In post 104, mastina wrote:

In post 90, Gamma Emerald wrote:PEdit: true jjh, if it fails it’s mastina’s word against the target’s.

Also.
Statistically speaking.
I am more likely to hit town than hit scum, ESPECIALLY as this is basically a vig, so.
Fuck that shit.
I hate rolling vig-type roles, and this as it determines a lynch is basically the ultimate vig-type role.

You aren't a vig. There's a good chance we'll lynch you if you gladiate successfully

In post 105, jjh927 wrote:

In post 102, NicoRobin wrote:

In post 72, jjh927 wrote:But it's not paranoia if there are people who are actually out to get you

Hence you need to be paranoid of everyone who is an unknown.

p-edit: you still haven't answered my question @mastina

That's not paranoia though

That's scepticism

Well, guess who is the ultimate target whom people want to get?

Ace.

In post 62, jjh927 wrote:I'm happy enough treating mastina as conftown at least for now unless someone can explain how that has utility as a scum role or fakeclaim outside of being townread for it and never using it

I kinda wanna say this post comes from scum who is aware Mastina is town and is trying to come up with reasons to justify reads rather then a town who is actually trying to sort Mastina. When I think of the types of games JJH tends to play I have a hard time seeing him not see the possibility of a scum gladiator even if he doesn't see the utility behind it directly.

It's just a really direct thought I guess rather then one of someone who is trying to critically think of player's alignments and why they could be wrong when they come up with conclusions I guess is what I am trying to say.

VOTE: JJH



I-I-I am sorry if I am jumping the gun with my opening push.

Ok I actually think what mastina claimed might be legit. I need to write down scenarios of the way it can interact with my role and talk about this to shiro more.

~Sora

In post 101, Rylai and Lina wrote:so mastina do you have a plan for using your gladiate or what?

If I can use it as a cop, then yes. On a day we're on evens and we have good reason to know/suspect there won't be two deaths during the night, I'll use it.

If I can't, then no, but that's one reason to claim it; may not think of a use, but might.

In post 101, Rylai and Lina wrote:like how is that the most important thing for you right now?

It's not. I have reasons for it, but I have more important things.

Care to guess what they are?

In post 106, Gamma Emerald wrote:So you’re not gonna use it ever, okay

Most likely, yes.
There's a chance, given specific circumstances, I could use it; failing those circumstances, I will not.

Like, say you gladiate successfully-

Regardless of your alignment, outside of a scum targeting scum gambit, lynching the other player will always lynch town, and outside of a hindrance of an ability they will be town with a stronger PR than you. This does not confirm you as town on flip.
Lynching you either conftowns another player or gets us a scum lynch

I really can't talk about this more atm but this is just weird. I'm going to sleep thinking about this.

~Sora

In post 107, jjh927 wrote:You aren't a vig.

I didn't say I was.

I said I was a vig-type role.

A gladiator takes the fate of another player directly into your hands, and your hands alone, and assuming you win the gladiate, kills them.

It's the same reason I despise the doublevoter role. Being able to disproportionately decide the lynch candidate places a disproportionate amount of weight on ME, requiring that I be right. I am, in no world, a remotely competent scumhunter; as a consequence, I am disproportionately likely to kill town using that type of role.

In post 109, Maid Cafe wrote:

In post 62, jjh927 wrote:I'm happy enough treating mastina as conftown at least for now unless someone can explain how that has utility as a scum role or fakeclaim outside of being townread for it and never using it

I kinda wanna say this post comes from scum who is aware Mastina is town and is trying to come up with reasons to justify reads rather then a town who is actually trying to sort Mastina. When I think of the types of games JJH tends to play I have a hard time seeing him not see the possibility of a scum gladiator even if he doesn't see the utility behind it directly.

It's just a really direct thought I guess rather then one of someone who is trying to critically think of player's alignments and why they could be wrong when they come up with conclusions I guess is what I am trying to say.

VOTE: JJH



I-I-I am sorry if I am jumping the gun with my opening push.

You have misunderstood.

The role is not town simply because it is a gladiator. It is town because there is no scum benefit whatsoever out of the mechanical applications of it. There's an argument that it can't even expect to be townread because I am evidently abnormal in thinking that this claim has a very high probability of being town.

FA we haven't said hi yet!

In post 115, mastina wrote:

In post 107, jjh927 wrote:You aren't a vig.

I didn't say I was.

I said I was a vig-type role.

A gladiator takes the fate of another player directly into your hands, and your hands alone, and assuming you win the gladiate, kills them.

It's the same reason I despise the doublevoter role. Being able to disproportionately decide the lynch candidate places a disproportionate amount of weight on ME, requiring that I be right. I am, in no world, a remotely competent scumhunter; as a consequence, I am disproportionately likely to kill town using that type of role.

You aren't gonna put the fate of another player into your hands though

If you gladiate successfully, there is no scenario whatsoever in which your target gets lynched.

I don't know which head I'm talking to but hi o/

and jjh there might be mechanical reasons that makes that claim useful for scum and for town

~Sora

I really need to sleep -.-

I'm a mess rn.

~Sora

In post 83, Rylai and Lina wrote:No one should take mastina claim as conftown claim

we have reasons to be skeptical about what she claimed for

reasons we don't want to share at the moment

. but there are weird things about the claim.

I'm going to read this pages in detail after getting my tea

~Sora

Hi. I am warm. Is there a Frozen Angel to warm me up or did you bring cookies?

In post 116, jjh927 wrote:You have misunderstood.

The role is not town simply because it is a gladiator. It is town because there is no scum benefit whatsoever out of the mechanical applications of it. There's an argument that it can't even expect to be townread because I am evidently abnormal in thinking that this claim has a very high probability of being town.

I kinda just don't like how you took it at face value which is kinda the wolfy thing to do when approaching posts.
Like the role could have more depth, a JOAT ability, positive utility gained after using the gladiate or something I just can't think of off the top of my head. I think in the last game most of the scum were JOATs and it's not like I am expecting you to actually know that.
It's more that my expectation was to not take the claim at literal face value like the way you did.

Sora is frozen angel yes

shiro is shiro

I posted my guide in the post right before that!

~Sora

In post 119, Rylai and Lina wrote:I don't know which head I'm talking to but hi o/

and jjh there might be mechanical reasons that makes that claim useful for scum and for town

~Sora

Beeboy so far

idk I don't see JJH as the kind of player to not be aware of the 2nd sentence.