Unadulterated LAMIST question. I feel Gamma has stepped way too hard on the game-solve gas pedal here (in a unnatural / forced way)
VOTE: Gamma Emerald
Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 10:38 am
by the worst
VOTE: Gamma Emerald
Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 10:42 am
by Blackjacks
Is the Random Voting Stage (RVS) truly a beneficial activity for Towns in the game of Mafia, or does it merely offer the illusion of productivity? We shall argue in favor of the latter.
In post 1, northsidegal wrote:-Do not use any form of provable randomness. This includes dice tags, screenshots of random.org, etc. Saying you flipped a coin is okay, providing some sort of proof that you did isn’t.
We begin by noting that the RVS is misleadingly named. It is impossible to have a truly Random voting stage, as voting in a provably random way would violate the integrity of the game of Mafia.
Thus, Internet mafia sites such as mafiascum.net present a dilemma to their players: vote "randomly" (but not randomly) at the beginning of a game, or risk becoming a member of the "outgroup". One might draw parallels between the act of voting "randomly", when such a thing is impossible, and the act of lying, which is often considered anti-town by the esteemed experts of the field
. As such, the RVS may serve to decrease town cohesion. Indeed, a statistically significant portion of Forum Mafia (FM) players interviewed were found to have lasting negative emotions toward their "random" voters.
Secondly, a wide variety of effective scumhunting tools are available to town players, including passionate but misguided accusation
, vote-count analysis (VCA), lolhammering, etc., and the "randomness" of an RVS vote typically undermines such methods. As such, we propose a new standard of FM play that moves away from RVS and all its detrimental effects.
As an example, we shall perform a round of VCA by a process detailed
In post 15, Keyser Söze wrote:Curious to see what happens when the worst meets Radiant Cowbells
weird - for 2 players that have been onsite for so long, I would think they'd have bumped into each other
-LH
^ kinda cherrypicking in my opinion
Spoiler:
In post 88, THE MEME MEN wrote:All this talk about jesters - you guys sure you're in the right game and not in Jester Nightless by Jingle, instead? lol
Also, shouldn't we be careful about who we vote? Because if scum is well coordinated, then after we vote, they could just pile on all 4 as 4 more votes.
^ kinda really lamist if I compare him here to a Micro I saw him playing
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and Aster seemed to realize how the post seemed a bit off here:
In post 88, THE MEME MEN wrote:Also, shouldn't we be careful about who we vote? Because if scum is well coordinated, then after we vote, they could just pile on all 4 as 4 more votes.
✓ Statement meant to look townish;
✓ Statement not actually helpful.
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However, she didn't change votes or got much interested on MEME MAN even though his posts seems way worse than Gamma's I would say (we can argue about that), and the same can be said to Keyser maybe.
(/confirm by the way NSG)
Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 1:30 pm
by Gamma Emerald
Alright, here’s my RQS analysis. This is based on tone and how I judge their responses based on what I think they would say, a bit in the Ellibereth style:
Keyser Söze: kinda interesting
Clemency: meh
Pintu:
the worst: meh
Springtrap: very weird, especially the response to 3
ceejay: eh null
MEME MEN: yikes. This one lied about meta with me. That’s a solid scum marker.
MEME MEN: yikes. This one lied about meta with me. That’s a solid scum marker.
vote: THE MEME MEN
Where did he lie about meta? I double checked his ISO and didn't see him commenting about meta anywhere
Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 1:37 pm
by THE MEME MEN
I think Left Head forgot who Gamma is which is pretty weird considering we lynched Gamma in a mini theme. I think Left Head is just having an off day tbh, but I can see why Gamma would call that a lie since it is objectively false.
Gamma, I would never forget you
-rh
Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 1:41 pm
by Gamma Emerald
Apologies for the absence btw, ended up napping inadvertently.
Unadulterated LAMIST question. I feel Gamma has stepped way too hard on the game-solve gas pedal here (in a unnatural / forced way)
VOTE: Gamma Emerald
Nice double standard jackass.
“Jackass”?! Ok, accepted.
“Double standard”? Nope.
Your question and my vote are different Mr Gamma.
Im more talking about you voting me for the exact opposite reason of American Presidents. What do you expect from me? And don’t try to talk about “I thought that was the norm” because you know I’ve tryharded as town before (maybe, don’t remember our exact meta).
This doesn’t make you scum btw, it just upsets me.
