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[GayBabyJailor]

gaybaby is town

That's just a sentence I never thought id see strung together

wow that's rude

why are you trying to antagonize me anyway? i put you down as town on my list

[faüstiv]

tone mainly (92).

also your play is kinda capricious and you're not afraid to place votes. i don't think that comes from newbie scum; they tend to be more reserved.

[faüstiv]

gaybaby is town

That's just a sentence I never thought id see strung together

wow that's rude

why are you trying to antagonize me anyway? i put you down as town on my list

innit just.

put me on your townlist, i'll treat you right.

[faüstiv]

thegildedsun is pinging me hard

[faüstiv]

this is way different from her last game

like i get she may have read more games and the wiki etc.

but something seems off

[TheGildedSun]

this is way different from her last game

like i get she may have read more games and the wiki etc.

but something seems off

Honestly I don't blame you even if this is about myself. I'm not quite sure where this sudden confidence of mine sprang from. Everything just kind of clicked, at least in terms of staying confident behind a vote or accusation. In the beginning (last game) I was dumbfounded on how people were able to draw reads from posts based entirely on town but now it seems plausible. I feel like even though I'm not playing aggressive, I'm trying to ask more questions than to accuse because I feel as though that's not fair (I didn't like it when it was done to me, I appreciated when I was given a chance to explain myself) I do feel like I'm trying to be too on top of things and it looks like I'm trying to take control so I can certainly see where you are coming from.

[faüstiv]

this is way different from her last game

like i get she may have read more games and the wiki etc.

but something seems off

Honestly I don't blame you even if this is about myself. I'm not quite sure where this sudden confidence of mine sprang from. Everything just kind of clicked, at least in terms of staying confident behind a vote or accusation. In the beginning (last game) I was dumbfounded on how people were able to draw reads from posts based entirely on town but now it seems plausible. I feel like even though I'm not playing aggressive, I'm trying to ask more questions than to accuse because I feel as though that's not fair (I didn't like it when it was done to me, I appreciated when I was given a chance to explain myself) I do feel like I'm trying to be too on top of things and it looks like I'm trying to take control so I can certainly see where you are coming from.

ok then.

have you learned anything from this game so far?

[TheGildedSun]

this is way different from her last game

like i get she may have read more games and the wiki etc.

but something seems off

Honestly I don't blame you even if this is about myself. I'm not quite sure where this sudden confidence of mine sprang from. Everything just kind of clicked, at least in terms of staying confident behind a vote or accusation. In the beginning (last game) I was dumbfounded on how people were able to draw reads from posts based entirely on town but now it seems plausible. I feel like even though I'm not playing aggressive, I'm trying to ask more questions than to accuse because I feel as though that's not fair (I didn't like it when it was done to me, I appreciated when I was given a chance to explain myself) I do feel like I'm trying to be too on top of things and it looks like I'm trying to take control so I can certainly see where you are coming from.

ok then.

have you learned anything from this game so far?

Well this game is really only just beginning and we haven't had any real wagons yet (well, kind of a jump on Map Wolf and now Blatant) but nothing too major. So far I feel like looking into a players prior experience is vital to reading their tone in posts, as what happened to I in the beginning of last game. I'm kind of seeing myself in some of the other players here and trying to put myself into their shoes. I also understand that that can be dangerous too because automatically ruling out someone as mafia just because they are a newer player isn't always a good way to go. We have to consider all possibilities, misdirection is something crucial to scum so we have to work hard to not be fooled.

[faüstiv]

ok.

do you scumread or townread anyone based on said wagons?

[Blatant Scum]

ok.

do you scumread or townread anyone based on said wagons?

He scumreads me for selfvoting, because it is anti-town.
VOTE: BS

[TheGildedSun]

ok.

do you scumread or townread anyone based on said wagons?

So far no. I agree with you in terms of GBJ not being scum (reasons stated previously) and same with Blatant. I feel that Blatant has a higher likelyhood of being scum though between the two.

We haven't heard much of anything from Titus as they are V/LA, nor have GuiltyLion or Map Wolf spoken recently. In fact I'd like to hear something from the two of them. There was that big jump on Map Wolf but it seemed a little too quickly agreed upon for my tastes, especially with both Blatant and Guilty jumping on the wagon which I don't fully know how I feel about them yet, I do believe Blatant is most likely town (but can't say for sure yet, too early) and Guilty hasn't spoken enough for me to have drawn any inferences.

gtj being defensive, it was kind of odd how they admitted they were acting slightly off in the beginning but then also clarifying they weren't new to the idea of D1 votes, which makes me think they are town. I feel like mafia would of went along with not having been familiar with the votes, claiming that's where the panic originated from.

[TheGildedSun]

Clarification: I read only the scumread part of your vote, Faust, so "so far no" is applying to your question if I had any scumreads yet, not if I have townreads, which I do and did mention.

[faüstiv]

hmmmmm ok

[TheGildedSun]

I'm going to be gone for two or three hours (possibly more, depends if my computer is dead. I'll probably only be two hours at the most.) as I am going out to eat, so if anyone needs to ask me something feel free to ask whenever, I will read anything I missed and reply once I get back.

[GuiltyLion]

What do you think of Map Wolf’s 38

didn't like it. Commenting on GBJ the sake of commenting but not drawing any conclusions about alignment. I was kinda wondering if it was a scum-scum coaching interaction like "hey buddy don't come in so hot" or whether it's s-t like "I want to comment on your post but don't worry I'm not scumreading you", but either way it looks disingenuous from Map Wolf. And it's also not really congruent with the mindset that Map Wolf is scumreading and voting Gjt

just for the record I didn't like 27 either

[GuiltyLion]

Hey all.

Thoughts so far:

- Not totally sold on GuiltyLion's #54. Maybe it's because I don't have much experience, but it seems like a stretch. I do have a few problems with MapWolf's readlist and will point them out when I'm on a computer, but it generally seems ok. It's very early on in the game so I don't think it's realistic for anyone to have strong scum/town readings.
- Strongly agree with TGS's #60. I was actually going to comment something similar but she bet me to it. So far, all GBJ has done is 1) shade people (#34, #48), 2) backpeddle (#39), and 3) make a comment that doesn't really say anything (#55). To me, it looks like they're trying to blend in without actually contributing. Unless we get a good reason for their actions, I'm gonna assume I'm right.
- Blatant scum's behaviour is realllyyyy weird. Again, I'll probably clarify when I'm on a computer.

For now, I'm gonna have to go with VOTE: Blatant Scum

My problem isn't strictly that someone doesn't have page 2 reads - reads are hard, I get it - my problem is more like, if you're gonna just say everyone is "neutral" then why do you feel the need to post a readslist to begin with? Where is that coming from?

Also, why vote Blatant Scum instead of GBJ? This post pings me in that you give several reasons for suspecting GBJ but then vote a different slot and give us no explanation as to why you think they're scummy.

[GuiltyLion]

I think they are a new player who is warming up to forum mafia and is doing very well in terms of doing research (MafiaScum Wiki) on terms and tactics. I like that.

couldn't newbie scum want to read about terms and tactics as well? Why is that indicative of town alignment?

[GuiltyLion]

At the moment I agree with faustiv on GBJ/Blatant Scum slots being town and therefore I will grant faustiv a D1 townread as well, though I get the feeling they're gonna be that "10% chance of deep wolf" slot that I randomly get paranoid about from time to time

[faüstiv]

What do you think of Map Wolf’s 38

didn't like it. Commenting on GBJ the sake of commenting but not drawing any conclusions about alignment. I was kinda wondering if it was a scum-scum coaching interaction like "hey buddy don't come in so hot" or whether it's s-t like "I want to comment on your post but don't worry I'm not scumreading you", but either way it looks disingenuous from Map Wolf. And it's also not really congruent with the mindset that Map Wolf is scumreading and voting Gjt

just for the record I didn't like 27 either

yeah exactly.

That's a rather fast conclusion to be honest.

Not that it makes you scum, since that would perhaps be a bit aggressive.

the bolded bit is really off, shadethrowing a slot but then stating that it doesn't make him scum, like what point is he trying to make here?

he was really quick to vote Gjt off the bat, calls them neutral/scum in 42:

Gjr, neutral leaning somewhat scum. Seems defensive in tone,

but this could also be town too afraid of being lynched. (Which you shouldn't be all that much, since being lynched early doesn't lose the game)

again this bolded bit 'he might be scum but he may not be because of this' is more likely to come from mafia than town when making an FOS.

[faüstiv]

At the moment I agree with faustiv on GBJ/Blatant Scum slots being town and therefore I will grant faustiv a D1 townread as well, though I get the feeling they're gonna be that "10% chance of deep wolf" slot that I randomly get paranoid about from time to time

[GayBabyJailor]

ok.

do you scumread or townread anyone based on said wagons?

He scumreads me for selfvoting, because it is anti-town.
VOTE: BS

bruh momentum is picking up
anyways heres an updated list
blatant scum: as sus as ever
map wolf: more townish than earlier
faustiv: town
thegildedsun: town
guiltylion: how would you think blatant scum is town after 109
rise: leaning town
gjt: town

[faüstiv]

ok.

do you scumread or townread anyone based on said wagons?

He scumreads me for selfvoting, because it is anti-town.
VOTE: BS

bruh momentum is picking up
anyways heres an updated list
blatant scum: as sus as ever
map wolf:

more townish than earlier

faustiv: town
thegildedsun: town
guiltylion: how would you think blatant scum is town after 109
rise: leaning town
gjt: town

map wolf's last post was 52

your first read list was 64

this makes no sense.

[GayBabyJailor]

ok.

do you scumread or townread anyone based on said wagons?

He scumreads me for selfvoting, because it is anti-town.
VOTE: BS

bruh momentum is picking up
anyways heres an updated list
blatant scum: as sus as ever
map wolf:

more townish than earlier

faustiv: town
thegildedsun: town
guiltylion: how would you think blatant scum is town after 109
rise: leaning town
gjt: town

map wolf's last post was 52

your first read list was 64

this makes no sense.

can i not change my mind? i can think someone else is being more scummy while still having a scumread on wolf

[faüstiv]

ok.

do you scumread or townread anyone based on said wagons?

He scumreads me for selfvoting, because it is anti-town.
VOTE: BS

bruh momentum is picking up
anyways heres an updated list
blatant scum: as sus as ever
map wolf:

more townish than earlier

faustiv: town
thegildedsun: town
guiltylion: how would you think blatant scum is town after 109
rise: leaning town
gjt: town

map wolf's last post was 52

your first read list was 64

this makes no sense.

can i not change my mind? i can think someone else is being more scummy while still having a scumread on wolf

guessing you reread them. what's pinging towny?

[GayBabyJailor]

ok.

do you scumread or townread anyone based on said wagons?

He scumreads me for selfvoting, because it is anti-town.
VOTE: BS

bruh momentum is picking up
anyways heres an updated list
blatant scum: as sus as ever
map wolf:

more townish than earlier

faustiv: town
thegildedsun: town
guiltylion: how would you think blatant scum is town after 109
rise: leaning town
gjt: town

map wolf's last post was 52

your first read list was 64

this makes no sense.

can i not change my mind? i can think someone else is being more scummy while still having a scumread on wolf

guessing you reread them. what's pinging towny?

well it's more of someone else is being more scummy than them and less them being town